Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
Discussion
Fastdruid said:
London424 said:
Fastdruid said:
London424 said:
But the EU and the Euro pretty much cannot survive without it. Have you not noticed how f
ked the economies are? Did you not read the IMF audit?
On the subject of the IMF, one of the main warnings pre-Brexit came from the IMF....now a report comes out that that they have been exceedingly impartial with regard to the EU. ked the economies are? Did you not read the IMF audit? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/28/imf... (paywall, view incognito or clear cookies).
In light of this their warnings might want to be taken with a large pinch of salt.
It points out all the flaws of the EU and the single currency. The IMF basically broke all of their own rules to keep it afloat. Well all the same problems still exist.
Did you deliberately ignore my questions ///ajd?
Or would you prefer not to answer them?
You must be quite relieved that despite your assertions that everyone's job was possibly at risk as a result of the leave vote, you seem very positive about your own position......"way too busy".
Tell me, do you still live in Toulouse? Or have you returned to the UK?
Or would you prefer not to answer them?
don'tbesilly said:
///ajd said:
I never post whilst at work - way too busy.
So no signs of a slowdown in the Aerospace industry?You must be quite relieved that despite your assertions that everyone's job was possibly at risk as a result of the leave vote, you seem very positive about your own position......"way too busy".
Tell me, do you still live in Toulouse? Or have you returned to the UK?
///ajd said:
You don't have objectives for brexit?
I'm sure I can find alot more than 10 brexiters who will think the £350m/huge cash back was justified - many here tried to defend it as I recall, it was funny to watch Dominic Whatshisface trying to do that to the select committee. Remember that, and the chairmans withering contempt for such idiocy?
for every £1 we give to the eu we get £10 back. you forget that one already.I'm sure I can find alot more than 10 brexiters who will think the £350m/huge cash back was justified - many here tried to defend it as I recall, it was funny to watch Dominic Whatshisface trying to do that to the select committee. Remember that, and the chairmans withering contempt for such idiocy?
don'tbesilly said:
Did you deliberately ignore my questions ///ajd?
Or would you prefer not to answer them?
You must be quite relieved that despite your assertions that everyone's job was possibly at risk as a result of the leave vote, you seem very positive about your own position......"way too busy".
Tell me, do you still live in Toulouse? Or have you returned to the UK?
No sign of a slow down in the European aerospace sector. Rolls doing well as ever, they excell globally as hinted at above.Or would you prefer not to answer them?
don'tbesilly said:
///ajd said:
I never post whilst at work - way too busy.
So no signs of a slowdown in the Aerospace industry?You must be quite relieved that despite your assertions that everyone's job was possibly at risk as a result of the leave vote, you seem very positive about your own position......"way too busy".
Tell me, do you still live in Toulouse? Or have you returned to the UK?
The future for the UK aerospace would be affected by tariffs, SM access and labour freedoms - IF they are changed. The seniors I speak to seem comfortable they are not at risk as May will protect them - they think. They are probably right and will lobby like crazy if they see a risk of her not doing so.
I've lived and worked in several EU countries, but currently reside in the UK, thank you for asking/stalking. Interesting to see some poster say "if you liked it abroad why didn't you stay there?". Not only does the idea of working abroad seem beyond the capability of some, it escapes them that some might want to keep moving around, seeking out the interesting work & life choices as opportunities come up. My work abroad has been great, my current work in the UK is my most rewarding yet. Doesn't mean I won't move abroad again. Working and living abroad is fabulous, so is returning home. Why build walls and be isolationist?
///ajd said:
No sign of a slow down in the European aerospace sector. Rolls doing well as ever, they excell globally as hinted at above.
The future for the UK aerospace would be affected by tariffs, SM access and labour freedoms - IF they are changed. The seniors I speak to seem comfortable they are not at risk as May will protect them - they think. They are probably right and will lobby like crazy if they see a risk of her not doing so.
I've lived and worked in several EU countries, but currently reside in the UK, thank you for asking/stalking. Interesting to see some poster say "if you liked it abroad why didn't you stay there?". Not only does the idea of working abroad seem beyond the capability of some, it escapes them that some might want to keep moving around, seeking out the interesting work & life choices as opportunities come up. My work abroad has been great, my current work in the UK is my most rewarding yet. Doesn't mean I won't move abroad again. Working and living abroad is fabulous, so is returning home. Why build walls and be isolationist?
i doubt anyone has any problem with that, as someone that has lived and worked abroad i would never argue against your position. the fact is though, you are in a minority .should the uk population vote in accordance with the wishes of the relatively few who live and work in the eu ? especially when there is likely to be little change, bar a bit of form filling, post brexit for those wanting to work abroad, whether that be the eu or further afield.The future for the UK aerospace would be affected by tariffs, SM access and labour freedoms - IF they are changed. The seniors I speak to seem comfortable they are not at risk as May will protect them - they think. They are probably right and will lobby like crazy if they see a risk of her not doing so.
I've lived and worked in several EU countries, but currently reside in the UK, thank you for asking/stalking. Interesting to see some poster say "if you liked it abroad why didn't you stay there?". Not only does the idea of working abroad seem beyond the capability of some, it escapes them that some might want to keep moving around, seeking out the interesting work & life choices as opportunities come up. My work abroad has been great, my current work in the UK is my most rewarding yet. Doesn't mean I won't move abroad again. Working and living abroad is fabulous, so is returning home. Why build walls and be isolationist?
wc98 said:
i doubt anyone has any problem with that, as someone that has lived and worked abroad i would never argue against your position. the fact is though, you are in a minority .should the uk population vote in accordance with the wishes of the relatively few who live and work in the eu ? especially when there is likely to be little change, bar a bit of form filling, post brexit for those wanting to work abroad, whether that be the eu or further afield.
I see your point, but the opportunities are there for all, on many different levels, not just a select few in skilled high paid jobs. I'd have liked my kids to have the same opportunities.If its just a bit of form filling, that sounds easy but its not clear what gradients or barriers may arise. It might not be jumping on a plane like it is at the moment.
That said I still suspect FMOL will probably survive intact, as will tariff free SM access.
///ajd said:
I see your point, but the opportunities are there for all, on many different levels, not just a select few in skilled high paid jobs. I'd have liked my kids to have the same opportunities.
If its just a bit of form filling, that sounds easy but its not clear what gradients or barriers may arise. It might not be jumping on a plane like it is at the moment.
That said I still suspect FMOL will probably survive intact, as will tariff free SM access.
fair enough,i will need to see what real changes transpire before passing judgement . as long as the same checks and balances are applied to people coming here as uk residents moving elsewhere i have no problem with fmol .If its just a bit of form filling, that sounds easy but its not clear what gradients or barriers may arise. It might not be jumping on a plane like it is at the moment.
That said I still suspect FMOL will probably survive intact, as will tariff free SM access.
///ajd said:
No sign of a slow down in the European aerospace sector. Rolls doing well as ever, they excell globally as hinted at above.
The future for the UK aerospace would be affected by tariffs, SM access and labour freedoms - IF they are changed. The seniors I speak to seem comfortable they are not at risk as May will protect them - they think. They are probably right and will lobby like crazy if they see a risk of her not doing so.
I've lived and worked in several EU countries, but currently reside in the UK, thank you for asking/stalking. Interesting to see some poster say "if you liked it abroad why didn't you stay there?". Not only does the idea of working abroad seem beyond the capability of some, it escapes them that some might want to keep moving around, seeking out the interesting work & life choices as opportunities come up. My work abroad has been great, my current work in the UK is my most rewarding yet. Doesn't mean I won't move abroad again. Working and living abroad is fabulous, so is returning home. Why build walls and be isolationist?
If everything is so rosy, why do you keep sThe future for the UK aerospace would be affected by tariffs, SM access and labour freedoms - IF they are changed. The seniors I speak to seem comfortable they are not at risk as May will protect them - they think. They are probably right and will lobby like crazy if they see a risk of her not doing so.
I've lived and worked in several EU countries, but currently reside in the UK, thank you for asking/stalking. Interesting to see some poster say "if you liked it abroad why didn't you stay there?". Not only does the idea of working abroad seem beyond the capability of some, it escapes them that some might want to keep moving around, seeking out the interesting work & life choices as opportunities come up. My work abroad has been great, my current work in the UK is my most rewarding yet. Doesn't mean I won't move abroad again. Working and living abroad is fabulous, so is returning home. Why build walls and be isolationist?
tting yourself and flapping like an old woman?SilverSixer said:
Austria narrowly avoided a Fascist government shortly before the EU Referendum here.
They narrowly avoided electing a ceremonial head of state who has little actual power; the government was never likely to be of the right, there is little taste for the return of loons like Jorg Haider as demonstrated by the fact the government is majority socialist.bmw535i said:
If everything is so rosy, why do you keep stting yourself and flapping like an old woman?
Well, I'll probably be OK, but its still a bit uncertain. I worry about other sectors. I like the way our car manufacturing is booming. I like the way our city is the best in the world and makes us all a whole heap of GDP to spend on the NHS. I even like the way the success of our city winds up the French and Germans. I don't like some of the crazy stuff some brexiteers like Fox and others are saying that could put all that at risk. tting yourself and flapping like an old woman?That said I suspect our govt under May will do its utmost to protect those sectors despite the more "courageous" brexiteers in the cabinet. My sadness is that staying in the EU was (for me at least) the best way to protect what we had, but now we'll have a second best hotch potch solution - unless we u-turn.
As an army man you should be worried about Fox - he was a total disaster at Defence - he actively screwed UK industry wanting to give work abroad until his adventures with his chum got him fired.
gizlaroc said:
Yet you live in the UK? 
I believe that the whole way the EU is set up, politicians, banking, ECB and even the IMF, is teetering on the edge.
No, rarely;)I believe that the whole way the EU is set up, politicians, banking, ECB and even the IMF, is teetering on the edge.
Edited by gizlaroc on Friday 29th July 19:18
This all sounds like good reasoned debate, and I'm not going to argue with the points you make (or repeat what all the Remainers usually bang on about to counter these points). I'm not calling you ignorant, and I'd appreciate not being referred to as ignorant either, or as has having some other personal issue.
FWIW My take on it, (and I'm fully aware I'm in a room full of Leavers, who won't care less about this perspective)
Britain has gone from being the 'poor man of europe' to a relatively affluent country since the immigrants flooded in and started doing all the tough (and often invisible) work for us. Visiting Germany back then felt like jumping forwards 50 years, whereas these days we're about on par.
The Brits are the fattest and least productive in Europe (sorry, these are facts), and personally I think we are kidding ourselves about some sort of miracle happening once we get our country back, or whatever it is that's supposed to be missing.
As a personal aside,I envisage storytelling to my children one day about a time when you could pitch up in any city in Europe, rent a place, get some kind of job and join the society there - be it Amsterdam, Stockholm, Berlin or Vienna. I still pinch myself now when it becomes apparent how amazingly free we all are- and how sad it is to be throwing it all away for now and evermore.
So anyway you probably disagree with every single word, but just incase you were wondering what the 48% might be thinking now, this could give some clues.
///ajd said:
Well, I'll probably be OK, but its still a bit uncertain. I worry about other sectors. I like the way our car manufacturing is booming. I like the way our city is the best in the world and makes us all a whole heap of GDP to spend on the NHS. I even like the way the success of our city winds up the French and Germans. I don't like some of the crazy stuff some brexiteers like Fox and others are saying that could put all that at risk.
That said I suspect our govt under May will do its utmost to protect those sectors despite the more "courageous" brexiteers in the cabinet. My sadness is that staying in the EU was (for me at least) the best way to protect what we had, but now we'll have a second best hotch potch solution - unless we u-turn.
As an army man you should be worried about Fox - he was a total disaster at Defence - he actively screwed UK industry wanting to give work abroad until his adventures with his chum got him fired.
I'm not worried- I've already said this. You insisting that I should be won't change that. That said I suspect our govt under May will do its utmost to protect those sectors despite the more "courageous" brexiteers in the cabinet. My sadness is that staying in the EU was (for me at least) the best way to protect what we had, but now we'll have a second best hotch potch solution - unless we u-turn.
As an army man you should be worried about Fox - he was a total disaster at Defence - he actively screwed UK industry wanting to give work abroad until his adventures with his chum got him fired.
I can't wait till we leave
dan98 said:
No, rarely;)
This all sounds like good reasoned debate, and I'm not going to argue with the points you make (or repeat what all the Remainers usually bang on about to counter these points). I'm not calling you ignorant, and I'd appreciate not being referred to as ignorant either, or as has having some other personal issue.
FWIW My take on it, (and I'm fully aware I'm in a room full of Leavers, who won't care less about this perspective)
Britain has gone from being the 'poor man of europe' to a relatively affluent country since the immigrants flooded in and started doing all the tough (and often invisible) work for us. Visiting Germany back then felt like jumping forwards 50 years, whereas these days we're about on par.
The Brits are the fattest and least productive in Europe (sorry, these are facts), and personally I think we are kidding ourselves about some sort of miracle happening once we get our country back, or whatever it is that's supposed to be missing.
As a personal aside,I envisage storytelling to my children one day about a time when you could pitch up in any city in Europe, rent a place, get some kind of job and join the society there - be it Amsterdam, Stockholm, Berlin or Vienna. I still pinch myself now when it becomes apparent how amazingly free we all are- and how sad it is to be throwing it all away for now and evermore.
So anyway you probably disagree with every single word, but just incase you were wondering what the 48% might be thinking now, this could give some clues.
Well said. All a bit deflating isn't it.This all sounds like good reasoned debate, and I'm not going to argue with the points you make (or repeat what all the Remainers usually bang on about to counter these points). I'm not calling you ignorant, and I'd appreciate not being referred to as ignorant either, or as has having some other personal issue.
FWIW My take on it, (and I'm fully aware I'm in a room full of Leavers, who won't care less about this perspective)
Britain has gone from being the 'poor man of europe' to a relatively affluent country since the immigrants flooded in and started doing all the tough (and often invisible) work for us. Visiting Germany back then felt like jumping forwards 50 years, whereas these days we're about on par.
The Brits are the fattest and least productive in Europe (sorry, these are facts), and personally I think we are kidding ourselves about some sort of miracle happening once we get our country back, or whatever it is that's supposed to be missing.
As a personal aside,I envisage storytelling to my children one day about a time when you could pitch up in any city in Europe, rent a place, get some kind of job and join the society there - be it Amsterdam, Stockholm, Berlin or Vienna. I still pinch myself now when it becomes apparent how amazingly free we all are- and how sad it is to be throwing it all away for now and evermore.
So anyway you probably disagree with every single word, but just incase you were wondering what the 48% might be thinking now, this could give some clues.
As is often the case our current freedoms won't be missed or valued until they're gone.
Even little things like your E111. Soon to be history I guess.
///ajd said:
Well said. All a bit deflating isn't it.
As is often the case our current freedoms won't be missed or valued until they're gone.
Even little things like your E111. Soon to be history I guess.
Oh no how awful, we all MAY soon have to buy our own health insurance for holidaysAs is often the case our current freedoms won't be missed or valued until they're gone.
Even little things like your E111. Soon to be history I guess.
///ajd said:
Well said. All a bit deflating isn't it.
As is often the case our current freedoms won't be missed or valued until they're gone.
Even little things like your E111. Soon to be history I guess.
Ah yes the wonderful E111 card that costs this country 900 million charged by other EU countries, but we charge them 49 million, I think it would be cheaper to give Brits going abroad free travel insurance.As is often the case our current freedoms won't be missed or valued until they're gone.
Even little things like your E111. Soon to be history I guess.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/100226...
Ghibli said:
bmw535i said:
Oh no how awful, we all MAY soon have to buy our own health insurance for holidays
It's a bit more than a holiday.Some of us were fortunate enough to leave the country without a pot to piss in and enjoy ourselves.
Edited by Ghibli on Friday 29th July 22:29
///ajd said:
Well said. All a bit deflating isn't it.
As is often the case our current freedoms won't be missed or valued until they're gone.
Even little things like your E111. Soon to be history I guess.
As someone with friends and family who have moved to live and work in (off the top of my head) China, New Zealand, Australia, Thailand, California, Canada, Finland, India, Dubai, Croatia and South Africa, I can't see what the obsession is about wanting specifically to work in Europe is. There's a world full of opportunities, and countries and companies more than willing to help it happen if you want to move. Our kids have more chances ahead of them than our generation ever did, and our contemporaries have gained citizenship of countries around the world. What exactly is your point? As is often the case our current freedoms won't be missed or valued until they're gone.
Even little things like your E111. Soon to be history I guess.
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