The riots - Michael Gove thrashes Harriet Harman

[soad]

gtdc said:

He totally took her down.

Good speech

[rah1888]

DieselGriff said:

Regardless of the riots and the lib dems Cameron was bent on bankrupting this country completely anyway. More power to the UKIP, the only alternative to lefty liberalism which we have now in abundance thanks to Comrade Cameron.

Didn't the previous government make a pretty good job of completing that task already though?

[Apache]

ExChrispy Porker said:

and what exactly do you think Mrs Thatcher would do in this situation that would make any difference?

Mobilised the Police, give them powers to be proper 'bds' and to hell with PC, put the Army on readiness, sack a few of the dross in the Party (might not leave many but..) and generally act like someone who knows what needs to be done.

Can you imagine Cameron saying "see that ship, that one with the Argie flag about to escape our waters? sink the fker" I sure as hell can't

[Apache]

gtdc said:

Apache said:

Cameron alluded to it when he said 'Society is sick' yes chum, it is, and it's your multicultural socially engineered dream that's sick.

He didn't make that - Labour did. Bloke hasn't even been in power for 2 years and he's had to do what he's done with his hands tied to the LibDems thanks to a load of people who should know better voting UKIP. Cameron's got balls. Perhaps they might not be as big as Maggie's but he's got 'em. He's been well on top of things since he got back and there's a real change in his tone and determination.

Yes, I know but a 'Multicultural society' is also CMDs dream, he doesn't shut up about it

[gtdc]

Apache said:

ExChrispy Porker said:

and what exactly do you think Mrs Thatcher would do in this situation that would make any difference?

Mobilised the Police, give them powers to be proper 'bds' and to hell with PC, put the Army on readiness, sack a few of the dross in the Party (might not leave many but..) and generally act like someone who knows what needs to be done.

Can you imagine Cameron saying "see that ship, that one with the Argie flag about to escape our waters? sink the fker" I sure as hell can't

It's a wonderfully pleasing fantasy but totally unachievable after all the Labour introduced laws.

[Apache]

gtdc said:

Apache said:

ExChrispy Porker said:

and what exactly do you think Mrs Thatcher would do in this situation that would make any difference?

Mobilised the Police, give them powers to be proper 'bds' and to hell with PC, put the Army on readiness, sack a few of the dross in the Party (might not leave many but..) and generally act like someone who knows what needs to be done.

Can you imagine Cameron saying "see that ship, that one with the Argie flag about to escape our waters? sink the fker" I sure as hell can't

It's a wonderfully pleasing fantasy but totally unachievable after all the Labour introduced laws.

Who writes laws? I'm pretty sure that is what is supposed to happen when you recall parliament in an emergency. CMD has all the power to do that and he did nothing, zip, nada......save put on his angry face and speak with an angry voice. Pathetic

[DieselGriff]

rah1888 said:

DieselGriff said:

Regardless of the riots and the lib dems Cameron was bent on bankrupting this country completely anyway. More power to the UKIP, the only alternative to lefty liberalism which we have now in abundance thanks to Comrade Cameron.

Didn't the previous government make a pretty good job of completing that task already though?

Yes, and in the past we would expect the conservatives to come in and sort it out so the morons could vote labour in again later, now, well what's the difference?

[gtdc]

bus pass said:

That'll be me as well then.

I understand the temptation to do so but we ended up weaker because of it. I do believe that this week will end up helping the country to move away from the Labour mess though.

[Apache]

gtdc said:

Apache said:

Cameron alluded to it when he said 'Society is sick' yes chum, it is, and it's your multicultural socially engineered dream that's sick.

He didn't make that - Labour did. Bloke hasn't even been in power for 2 years and he's had to do what he's done with his hands tied to the LibDems thanks to a load of people who should know better voting UKIP. Cameron's got balls. Perhaps they might not be as big as Maggie's but he's got 'em. He's been well on top of things since he got back and there's a real change in his tone and determination.

Ah, you'll be one of them there tactical voters then. Sorry chum, I'll vote for who I want to if that's alright with you. I think that's called Democracy

[gtdc]

It's hard though isn't it? If you know by voting UKIP you actually end up further than what you wanted to start with.

[DieselGriff]

gtdc said:

bus pass said:

That'll be me as well then.

I understand the temptation to do so but we ended up weaker because of it. I do believe that this week will end up helping the country to move away from the Labour mess though.

In what way are we weaker? Seriously the current Government even if it was completely blue would not have changed much at all - Cameron wanted to be the "Greenest Government Ever" well before the election so the climate change bill would have happened anyway and for what good at an expense of 18bn a year for 20 years?

[Apache]

gtdc said:

It's hard though isn't it? If you know by voting UKIP you actually end up further than what you wanted to start with.

You're beginning to wind me up now chap, don't presume to know what I want. Clever sods like you have bullied people for far too long into voting tactically. Now we have a two party system and it's not coping too well is it.

[DieselGriff]

gtdc said:

It's hard though isn't it? If you know by voting UKIP you actually end up further than what you wanted to start with.

No not at all. I knew that by voting UKIP I would not change this Government or the last, what I do know is that for voting for either I would not be voting for what I wanted which by and large is a stronger UK.

By voting UKIP I told UKIP that their policies are, I consider, better than the rest and I'm telling other parties their policies are not as good IMO.

I told my local conservative candidate why before the election and I pointed out after the election that if they had the UKIP vote then they would have turned over a long held Labour majority.

If the Conservatives had the balls to take on the better of the UKIP policies they would not have lost any votes and would have won the votes of tories that went UKIP because the Conservatives were too weak.

[don4l]

ExChrispy Porker said:

and what exactly do you think Mrs Thatcher would do in this situation that would make any difference?

She would have acted with conviction.

Cameron's first speech when he came back from holiday was very soft in tone - almost "hug a hoody". 24 hours later, after reading the press, he gave a completely different speech. He was just telling us what we wanted to hear. No conviction or principles at all.


Don
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[ExChrispy Porker]

gtdc said:

It's a wonderfully pleasing fantasy but totally unachievable after all the Labour introduced laws.

And none of it would have made any difference, when compared with what was actually done.

Police mobilised- done
Army on stand by - done
police tactics changed - done


Thatcher did fk all in the early and mid 80's when riots took place. She certainly did not authorise the use of plastic bullets when I was being petrol bombed. I fail to see what she would have done in the last few days that would have made any difference.
Got very shrill and set a few Tory hearts beating a bit faster perhaps.

[s2art]

ExChrispy Porker said:

And none of it would have made any difference, when compared with what was actually done.

Police mobilised- done
Army on stand by - done
police tactics changed - done


Thatcher did fk all in the early and mid 80's when riots took place. She certainly did not authorise the use of plastic bullets when I was being petrol bombed. I fail to see what she would have done in the last few days that would have made any difference.
Got very shrill and set a few Tory hearts beating a bit faster perhaps.

Perhaps, but the Police did actually cope with the 80's riots. The Met just wasnt hacking it. Were houses/Shops/Factories being torched in the 80's? I dont recall the Police just standing there while shops were being looted then either.

Edited to add. It may not even have been necessary for Maggie to have acted, all those things would have been done a couple of days earlier with ministers such as Tebbit and co in the government.

Edited by s2art on Thursday 11th August 19:22

[Dracoro]

DieselGriff said:

If the Conservatives had the balls to take on the better of the UKIP policies they would not have lost any votes and would have won the votes of tories that went UKIP because the Conservatives were too weak.

The problem is, that for every voter they gain by doing this, the lose one of those from the more middle/left. The same happens to Labour, try to get the votes of the left and you lose the middle ground.

It's the perennial problem for the two main parties. It's about striking that fine balance.

They both lose votes and elections when they swing too far back to "their" side.. The only alternative is LibDem but they need both Labour to go left and Tories to go right at the SAME time. This NEVER happens as when one does swing one way, it's an opportunity to scoop up the middle ground and get elected.

[Crafty_]

Odious little bint.

That is all.

[turbobloke]

Daily Mash character said:

I blame Labour for this. I might be a lifelong party member but our pinup girl is Harriet Harman. It would be easier to knock one out with a cactus strapped to your palm.

[AshVX220]

turbobloke said:

Daily Mash character said:

I blame Labour for this. I might be a lifelong party member but our pinup girl is Harriet Harman. It would be easier to knock one out with a cactus strapped to your palm.