The Wasted Vote
Discussion
eharding said:
rudecherub said:
Well UKIP are human beings, and like the people in the other parties, and here on PH, and any where in the whole wide world, thus like any sample of people, there will be examples of kinds of folk, good bad and indifferent.
What matters is the response of those in charge when something is found to be wrong. UKIP are fast responders to this kind of thing, they are not however mind readers.
and TBH There are worse insults in life, than to be compared to the multinational and very profitable business that is Tesco, much like the up-thread loose cannon jibe, these are insults that on reflection are not that insulting.
You need to try harder.
Clearly rattled, then. Tesco employee, perhaps? What matters is the response of those in charge when something is found to be wrong. UKIP are fast responders to this kind of thing, they are not however mind readers.
and TBH There are worse insults in life, than to be compared to the multinational and very profitable business that is Tesco, much like the up-thread loose cannon jibe, these are insults that on reflection are not that insulting.
You need to try harder.
The question remains - what sort of party lets that sort rubbish into the ranks in the first place?
What sort of vetting process was applied before he was allowed to stand as a UKIP candidate?
What kind of Party lets Chris Hume in, or Dennis McShane, or Margaret Moran in and actually become with their machinery behind them a member of Parliament?
Or is it perhaps you are unable to distinguish between a lowly back-room local party worker, guilty of no crime - and a duly elected member of Parliament found guilty of a criminal offence?
eharding said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Still waiting for the answer of why i should vote tory
Well, if you want to achieve an Eastleigh result - to have the Tories banished into a humiliating 3rd place - then perhaps your best bet in West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine would be to vote for the SNP? UKIP had rather a poor showing last time round - the BNP were more popular in fact.Voting for one bunch of opportunistic nationalists can't be that much different from any other, surely?
Not sure that would help
rudecherub said:
No it doesn't.
No it doesn't what? - are you saying UKIP doesn't clearly have an issue with the vetting process for potential candidates?rudecherub said:
What kind of Party lets Chris Hume in, or Dennis McShane, or Margaret Moran in and actually become with their machinery behind them a member of Parliament?
Never heard of Chris Hume, but the other two are Labour and Liberal Democrat. I'm not exactly wildly keen on them either.rudecherub said:
Or is it perhaps you are unable to distinguish between a lowly back-room local party worker, guilty of no crime - and a duly elected member of Parliament found guilty of a criminal offence?
If this charming ex-'kipper hasn't done anything wrong, why have UKIP dropped him like a hot potato?McWigglebum4th said:
eharding said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Still waiting for the answer of why i should vote tory
Well, if you want to achieve an Eastleigh result - to have the Tories banished into a humiliating 3rd place - then perhaps your best bet in West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine would be to vote for the SNP? UKIP had rather a poor showing last time round - the BNP were more popular in fact.Voting for one bunch of opportunistic nationalists can't be that much different from any other, surely?
Not sure that would help
eharding said:
Clearly rattled, then. Tesco employee, perhaps?
The question remains - what sort of party lets that sort rubbish into the ranks in the first place?
What sort of vetting process was applied before he was allowed to stand as a UKIP candidate?
You mean like that dThe question remains - what sort of party lets that sort rubbish into the ranks in the first place?
What sort of vetting process was applied before he was allowed to stand as a UKIP candidate?
head on here that ran for labour and used to be lib dem and Constantine iirc.You know lived with his mum claimed to OSHA race team
eharding said:
rudecherub said:
No it doesn't.
No it doesn't what? - are you saying UKIP doesn't clearly have an issue with the vetting process for potential candidates?rudecherub said:
What kind of Party lets Chris Hume in, or Dennis McShane, or Margaret Moran in and actually become with their machinery behind them a member of Parliament?
Never heard of Chris Hume, but the other two are Labour and Liberal Democrat. I'm not exactly wildly keen on them either.rudecherub said:
Or is it perhaps you are unable to distinguish between a lowly back-room local party worker, guilty of no crime - and a duly elected member of Parliament found guilty of a criminal offence?
If this charming ex-'kipper hasn't done anything wrong, why have UKIP dropped him like a hot potato?No it doesn't
Because the point which your deliberate obtuse reply ignores is that every party has examples of undesirable people - who come to light - in them, because that's human nature, it's something that's impossible to police.
Yet you stupidly insist UKIP is at fault for not reading this guy's mind, or seeing into the future that he'd give voice to this opinion.
Plus there is a difference between holding a view contrary to that of the party you represent, that gets you chucked out, and doing something illegal.
Again you either very stupid or being deliberately obtuse if you don't follow.
Can't you see the difference between a criminal and just someone who is a down right unpleasant individual?
Then again perhaps I've touched a nerve?
eharding said:
Well, if it's all about sending messages, the message from West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine last time round was that UKIP was less popular than the BNP. Jesus, what did the 'kipper candidate do up there - personally go round to every property in the constituency, and present the occupant with a small cat-turd in a box?
Why this obsession with mentioning the BNP?Oh yeah I forgot UKIP are evil racists who want white people to have the same immigration checks as brown people
Pesty said:
eharding said:
Clearly rattled, then. Tesco employee, perhaps?
The question remains - what sort of party lets that sort rubbish into the ranks in the first place?
What sort of vetting process was applied before he was allowed to stand as a UKIP candidate?
You mean like that dThe question remains - what sort of party lets that sort rubbish into the ranks in the first place?
What sort of vetting process was applied before he was allowed to stand as a UKIP candidate?
head on here that ran for labour and used to be lib dem and Constantine iirc.You know lived with his mum claimed to OSHA race team
McWigglebum4th said:
Why this obsession with mentioning the BNP?
Oh yeah I forgot UKIP are evil racists who want white people to have the same immigration checks as brown people
Far from it - just pointing out that in West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine at least, UKIP appear to be even less popular than the evil BNP racists Oh yeah I forgot UKIP are evil racists who want white people to have the same immigration checks as brown people
rudecherub said:
Because the point which your deliberate obtuse reply ignores is that every party has examples of undesirable people - who come to light - in them, because that's human nature, it's something that's impossible to police.
Yet you stupidly insist UKIP is at fault for not reading this guy's mind, or seeing into the future that he'd give voice to this opinion.
Plus there is a difference between holding a view contrary to that of the party you represent, that gets you chucked out, and doing something illegal.
Again you either very stupid or being deliberately obtuse if you don't follow.
Can't you see the difference between a criminal and just someone who is a down right unpleasant individual?
Then again perhaps I've touched a nerve?
Yes, we saw the picture the first time, thanks. At least try to be creative, and pick a different one.Yet you stupidly insist UKIP is at fault for not reading this guy's mind, or seeing into the future that he'd give voice to this opinion.
Plus there is a difference between holding a view contrary to that of the party you represent, that gets you chucked out, and doing something illegal.
Again you either very stupid or being deliberately obtuse if you don't follow.
Can't you see the difference between a criminal and just someone who is a down right unpleasant individual?
Then again perhaps I've touched a nerve?
Your assertion that party candidate selection is 'something that's impossible to police' is risible - either UKIP simply didn't try, or secretly like the cut of his jib.
At best the party machine didn't manage even the merest whiff of due diligence to sound this fellow out - which is a pretty damning indictment - or were perfectly aware of the sort of character they were dealing with, but were content to have him on the books as long as he didn't start mouthing off in public.
Either way, it doesn't look very good, does it? With doubtless lots more to come.
As for the Moran, McShane et al - I certainly don't shed any tears for them.
Edited by eharding on Tuesday 5th March 18:37
eharding said:
rudecherub said:
Because the point which your deliberate obtuse reply ignores is that every party has examples of undesirable people - who come to light - in them, because that's human nature, it's something that's impossible to police.
Yet you stupidly insist UKIP is at fault for not reading this guy's mind, or seeing into the future that he'd give voice to this opinion.
Plus there is a difference between holding a view contrary to that of the party you represent, that gets you chucked out, and doing something illegal.
Again you either very stupid or being deliberately obtuse if you don't follow.
Can't you see the difference between a criminal and just someone who is a down right unpleasant individual?
Then again perhaps I've touched a nerve?
Yes, we saw then picture the first time, thanks. At least try to be creative, and pick a different one.Yet you stupidly insist UKIP is at fault for not reading this guy's mind, or seeing into the future that he'd give voice to this opinion.
Plus there is a difference between holding a view contrary to that of the party you represent, that gets you chucked out, and doing something illegal.
Again you either very stupid or being deliberately obtuse if you don't follow.
Can't you see the difference between a criminal and just someone who is a down right unpleasant individual?
Then again perhaps I've touched a nerve?
Your assertion that party candidate selection is 'something that's impossible to police' is risible - either UKIP simply didn't try, or secretly like the cut of his jib.
At best the party machine didn't manage even the merest whiff of due diligence to sound this fellow out - which is a pretty damning indictment - or were perfectly aware of the sort of character they were dealing with, but were content to have him on the books as long as he didn't start mouthing off in public.
Either way, it doesn't look very good, does it? With doubtless lots more to come.
As for the Moran, McShane et al - I certainly don't shed any tears for them.
Just how is the UKIP party machine suppose to smell out this blokes unspoken beliefs?
And just how are UKIP supposed to know, before he speaks what he is going to say?
He spoke against policy - he was fired. Unlike other parties.
http://order-order.com/2013/03/05/david-ward-confr...
rudecherub said:
Huh? so UKIP magically have to be able to read this blokes mind and or see into the future, or they are risible?
Just how is the UKIP party machine suppose to smell out this blokes unspoken beliefs?
And just how are UKIP supposed to know, before he speaks what he is going to say?
Because political organisations with even the slightest degree of competency devote some degree of rigour to vetting party members wishing to become candidates, in order to determine that they're not some loon who is going to turn into a cluster-goat-feck-car-crash of a liability the first time they face the media.Just how is the UKIP party machine suppose to smell out this blokes unspoken beliefs?
And just how are UKIP supposed to know, before he speaks what he is going to say?
In this case, and I suspect in many more to come, the UKIP officials responsible for this chap being allowed to stand as a candidate were either at best incompetent, or worse still complicit with his views.
No mind readers required - although if they did have one I'll wager this particular individual's wouldn't have been much to read anyway.
eharding said:
rudecherub said:
So UKIP expels a man for views which don't reflect party policy. Good for them.
Rather like wildly applauding Tesco for removing horse-meat from the lasagneCan you tell me how many tories were dismissed from the party for expenses fraud?
eharding said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Why this obsession with mentioning the BNP?
Oh yeah I forgot UKIP are evil racists who want white people to have the same immigration checks as brown people
Far from it - just pointing out that in West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine at least, UKIP appear to be even less popular than the evil BNP racists Oh yeah I forgot UKIP are evil racists who want white people to have the same immigration checks as brown people
Still not been given a reason to vote tory
Globs said:
eharding said:
rudecherub said:
So UKIP expels a man for views which don't reflect party policy. Good for them.
Rather like wildly applauding Tesco for removing horse-meat from the lasagneCan you tell me how many tories were dismissed from the party for expenses fraud?
eharding said:
einsign said:
Being negative towards someone or something is just about the easiest thing in the world to do, it seems to be the approach to everything these days.
Give that man a pie. He's finally realised what UKIP are all about. posed in another thread but i will ask in this one ;
Does anyone think millipede might do a u turn and offer a referendum if he wins the next election?
I wonder how scared labour are of losing votes to ukip as people feel threatened by immigration , immigration driving down wages of unskilled work etc
Does anyone think millipede might do a u turn and offer a referendum if he wins the next election?
I wonder how scared labour are of losing votes to ukip as people feel threatened by immigration , immigration driving down wages of unskilled work etc
eharding said:
Who do you propose that Farage would have with him in the negotiating team?
International negotiations are invariably huge team efforts, inevitable given the minute scrutiny of detail and background work required.
At least 95% of the talking is done before the principals ever get into a room face-to-face.
Who, for example, is the current UKIP Foreign Affairs spokesman?
What are we negotiating? And who with? International negotiations are invariably huge team efforts, inevitable given the minute scrutiny of detail and background work required.
At least 95% of the talking is done before the principals ever get into a room face-to-face.
Who, for example, is the current UKIP Foreign Affairs spokesman?
AJS- said:
eharding said:
Who do you propose that Farage would have with him in the negotiating team?
International negotiations are invariably huge team efforts, inevitable given the minute scrutiny of detail and background work required.
At least 95% of the talking is done before the principals ever get into a room face-to-face.
Who, for example, is the current UKIP Foreign Affairs spokesman?
What are we negotiating? And who with? International negotiations are invariably huge team efforts, inevitable given the minute scrutiny of detail and background work required.
At least 95% of the talking is done before the principals ever get into a room face-to-face.
Who, for example, is the current UKIP Foreign Affairs spokesman?
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