Michael Schumacher hurt skiing

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robinessex

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183 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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I wish the media would stop publishing stuff like "15 doctors are looking after him". He just needs regular nursing and the occasional doctor checkup.

craigjm

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202 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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robinessex said:
I wish the media would stop publishing stuff like "15 doctors are looking after him". He just needs regular nursing and the occasional doctor checkup.
How do you know that?

robinessex

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183 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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craigjm said:
robinessex said:
I wish the media would stop publishing stuff like "15 doctors are looking after him". He just needs regular nursing and the occasional doctor checkup.
How do you know that?
Commonsense, work it out. What do you think 15 doctors would do all day? Michael is basically stable, just needs nursing care. My wife happens to have a couple of friends, nurses, who work with such patients, so we have first-hand knowledge of what it involves. I also had a cousin who had a similar condition to Michael, except he had it from birth.

AJB88

12,587 posts

173 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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Think the story came from an Italian newspaper first as mate shared it with me the other day, according to it hes bed bound from what I read.

I had read previously he had been spotted sitting in a wheelchair at the place he now lives but doubting that now.


HustleRussell

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162 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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robinessex said:
craigjm said:
robinessex said:
I wish the media would stop publishing stuff like "15 doctors are looking after him". He just needs regular nursing and the occasional doctor checkup.
How do you know that?
Commonsense, work it out. What do you think 15 doctors would do all day? Michael is basically stable, just needs nursing care. My wife happens to have a couple of friends, nurses, who work with such patients, so we have first-hand knowledge of what it involves. I also had a cousin who had a similar condition to Michael, except he had it from birth.
I think you underestimate the determination and ambition of Michaels family to do anything at any cost that can improve Michael's condition or quality of life. I am by no means an expert and I have no expert sources but I reckon that any normal person suffering Michael's injury with the same outcome would basically be receiving palliative care. The Schumacher family appear to have been at pains to explore any avenue which may yield any kind of improvement as demonstrated by this apparent round of stem cell(?) treatment.

AJB88

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173 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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HustleRussell said:
I think you underestimate the determination and ambition of Michaels family to do anything at any cost that can improve Michael's condition or quality of life. I am by no means an expert and I have no expert sources but I reckon that any normal person suffering Michael's injury with the same outcome would basically be receiving palliative care. The Schumacher family appear to have been at pains to explore any avenue which may yield any kind of improvement as demonstrated by this apparent round of stem cell(?) treatment.
If you have got the cash why not, We explored other treatments when my dad got ill with C. Luckily we found a specialist in London who was NHS and they sent the Chemo to his hospital for free (different type of Chemo to the normal one) it prolonged the inevitable.


HustleRussell

24,785 posts

162 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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AJB88 said:
HustleRussell said:
I think you underestimate the determination and ambition of Michaels family to do anything at any cost that can improve Michael's condition or quality of life. I am by no means an expert and I have no expert sources but I reckon that any normal person suffering Michael's injury with the same outcome would basically be receiving palliative care. The Schumacher family appear to have been at pains to explore any avenue which may yield any kind of improvement as demonstrated by this apparent round of stem cell(?) treatment.
If you have got the cash why not, We explored other treatments when my dad got ill with C. Luckily we found a specialist in London who was NHS and they sent the Chemo to his hospital for free (different type of Chemo to the normal one) it prolonged the inevitable.
Indeed, and it's easy to see why the Schumacher family in particular would go down this route, because probably 99/100ths of the money they have is the fruit of Michael's herculean lifelong effort to ceaselessly dedicate incredible effort in the pursuit of ever diminishing gains (and with great success).

GM182

1,276 posts

227 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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Sadly I think Michael is probably minimally conscious and his condition is unlikely to improve in any significant way.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29929361-beyon...

The book in the link is well worth a read about a fit young man who had a bad snow-boarding accident and brain injury. I'm not saying Michael's situation is exactly the same but it gives a real idea of the sort of issues the Schumacher family is probably facing.

TheJimi

25,081 posts

245 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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robinessex said:
craigjm said:
robinessex said:
I wish the media would stop publishing stuff like "15 doctors are looking after him". He just needs regular nursing and the occasional doctor checkup.
How do you know that?
Commonsense, work it out. What do you think 15 doctors would do all day? Michael is basically stable, just needs nursing care. My wife happens to have a couple of friends, nurses, who work with such patients, so we have first-hand knowledge of what it involves. I also had a cousin who had a similar condition to Michael, except he had it from birth.
Me may well indeed have 15 doctors looking after him, just not in the way the press are trying to paint it.

Hosenbugler

1,854 posts

104 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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Back just after this accident happened there was a poster in these forums with professional experience of dealing with head injuries explaining the severity of MS's brain damage.I cannot recall all the specifics now, but a key pointer to the severity being the depth of the injuries within the brain. I suppose the posts must be on here somewhere, and the key to his/her observations were brain scans from the hospital treating MS.

I well recall seeing the accident scene after he had been taken to hospital, and was shocked at the amount of blood in the snow, and thinking , thats fatal surely? The fact that his helmet was split in half helped to endorse that view.

I really would like to take a positive view of matters, but there is part of my mind that has thought from the early days of the accident, that it would been the best for all, particularly MS if we had been reading an obituary the day after. The obsessive secrecy over him by family does seem extreme and it does make you wonder if its in his wider best interest.
Unfortunately I have had experience of a friend with catastrophic brain damage kept alive , basically for the sake of it, by a family member who could not face up to the fact of the matter, or face the responsiblity of acting for the best interest of the patient and not themselves. Not saying that MS's case is as severe, but I'd wager it's not a mile away from it. It's all very , very sad.


AJB88

12,587 posts

173 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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GM182 said:
Sadly I think Michael is probably minimally conscious and his condition is unlikely to improve in any significant way.
I get the same feeling.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

200 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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Hosenbugler said:
Back just after this accident happened there was a poster in these forums with professional experience of dealing with head injuries explaining the severity of MS's brain damage.I cannot recall all the specifics now, but a key pointer to the severity being the depth of the injuries within the brain. I suppose the posts must be on here somewhere, and the key to his/her observations were brain scans from the hospital treating MS.

I well recall seeing the accident scene after he had been taken to hospital, and was shocked at the amount of blood in the snow, and thinking , thats fatal surely? The fact that his helmet was split in half helped to endorse that view.

I really would like to take a positive view of matters, but there is part of my mind that has thought from the early days of the accident, that it would been the best for all, particularly MS if we had been reading an obituary the day after. The obsessive secrecy over him by family does seem extreme and it does make you wonder if its in his wider best interest.
Unfortunately I have had experience of a friend with catastrophic brain damage kept alive , basically for the sake of it, by a family member who could not face up to the fact of the matter, or face the responsiblity of acting for the best interest of the patient and not themselves. Not saying that MS's case is as severe, but I'd wager it's not a mile away from it. It's all very , very sad.

I was in Méribel this March skiing (first time there) where did it happen? Purely from a perspective did I do that run/close to it.

CAPP0

19,650 posts

205 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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Welshbeef said:
I was in Méribel this March skiing (first time there) where did it happen? Purely from a perspective did I do that run/close to it.
Really?

Petrus1983

8,920 posts

164 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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Hosenbugler said:
Back just after this accident happened there was a poster in these forums with professional experience of dealing with head injuries explaining the severity of MS's brain damage.I cannot recall all the specifics now, but a key pointer to the severity being the depth of the injuries within the brain. I suppose the posts must be on here somewhere, and the key to his/her observations were brain scans from the hospital treating MS.

I remember along those lines too - but believe we were referring to someone who knew what they were talking about and had a blog - rather than writing onto PH directly. I could well be wrong.

Bonefish Blues

27,190 posts

225 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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There was a direct thread contributor.

Petrus1983

8,920 posts

164 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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Bonefish Blues said:
There was a direct thread contributor.
That’s when it’s annoying we’ve got to 143 pages!

Bonefish Blues

27,190 posts

225 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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Petrus1983 said:
Bonefish Blues said:
There was a direct thread contributor.
That’s when it’s annoying we’ve got to 143 pages!
Only 72 with my config hehe

We've been round this loop a number of times, usually triggered by popular press speculation.

RumbleOfThunder

3,571 posts

205 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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From what I've learnt about stem cell therapy (internet expert), stem cells work best as soon as possible after the injury has taken place so I suspect there will be minimal benefit, though I hope to be proven wrong.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

200 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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Imagine if he (or anyone in a long term coma) did recover and discover this new world we are all in.


Cold

15,281 posts

92 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jun/11/mich...

Article said:
Reports that Michael Schumacher is to undergo stem cell surgery within days are inaccurate, it is understood. The Schumacher family declined to comment on reports being widely published on Thursday but it is believed they would not consider any such operation during the coronavirus outbreak.
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