Iran - Israel War

[Car bon]

Oliver Hardy said:

Car bon said:

Israel bombed a diplomatic building & killed senior figures.

Was it not an annex building next to the Iranian embassy used by the embassy but not a diplomatic building
and non of the killed were diplomats?

Not sure what your point / agenda is ?

The building was widely reported as a Consulate inside the Embassy compound - in what way is that not a diplomatic building ?
I've not made any (deliberate) suggestion that those killed were diplomats.

IMHO - There are no good guys - both / all sides are to blame - but unfortunately there is little self-reflection and it's just the other guys fault.

[g4ry13]

S600BSB said:

Gecko1978 said:

As hours go on this is all a big nothing Iran will do F all. Their proxy's do their dirty work and currently one of them is being bombed back to the stone age.

Fortunately the grown ups are all calling for calm and de-escalation. The Foreign Secretary seems to be talking sense again.

I wonder if they would be calling for calm and de-escalation if another country launched a drone towards the UK. Let alone 300!

Israel seems to be the only country which gets attacked and then told to act with restraint.

[Mr Penguin]

g4ry13 said:

I wonder if they would be calling for calm and de-escalation if another country launched a drone towards the UK. Let alone 300!

Israel seems to be the only country which gets attacked and then told to act with restraint.

You're right, they are the only country told not to defend itself. In this case someone has to do it, Iran have said they want to end it and each side has got a hit against the other. Best to accept a score draw than continue to ramp it up.

[vaud]

JJJ. said:

Ha,ha. You're probably correct. Sadly, it's that's not saying much for any of them.

Even the (civil service) Foreign Office has nice things to say about Cameron.

Very good at understand the complexities and nuances, as well as the multidimensional nature of the issues, apparently. Asks smart questions and follow advice.

Controversial. He'd make a good PM in my view.

[e-honda]

vaud said:

Even the (civil service) Foreign Office has nice things to say about Cameron.

Very good at understand the complexities and nuances, as well as the multidimensional nature of the issues, apparently. Asks smart questions and follow advice.

Controversial. He'd make a good PM in my view.

He seems like the kind that would quit if a referendum doesn't go his way.

[g4ry13]

Mr Penguin said:

g4ry13 said:

I wonder if they would be calling for calm and de-escalation if another country launched a drone towards the UK. Let alone 300!

Israel seems to be the only country which gets attacked and then told to act with restraint.

You're right, they are the only country told not to defend itself. In this case someone has to do it, Iran have said they want to end it and each side has got a hit against the other. Best to accept a score draw than continue to ramp it up.

Maybe Iran should stop funding Hamas first and intervening.

I don't think Israel can do nothing as it sends the wrong message.

[Oliver Hardy]

Car bon said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Car bon said:

Israel bombed a diplomatic building & killed senior figures.

Was it not an annex building next to the Iranian embassy used by the embassy but not a diplomatic building
and non of the killed were diplomats?

Not sure what your point / agenda is ?

The building was widely reported as a Consulate inside the Embassy compound - in what way is that not a diplomatic building ?
I've not made any (deliberate) suggestion that those killed were diplomats.

IMHO - There are no good guys - both / all sides are to blame - but unfortunately there is little self-reflection and it's just the other guys fault.

I don't have an agenda, have you?

I know what was reported but it was a building next door to the embassy, as far as I can tell it was yes part of the compound but not a diplomatic part.

Quick edit, it was being used by the military so not protected as a diplomatic compound.

Edited by Oliver Hardy on Monday 15th April 15:44

[JJJ.]

vaud said:

Controversial. He'd make a good PM in my view.

Better than May, Johnson, What's Her Name and Sunak?

Treat that as rhetorical question if you like.

[fly by wire]

https://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

I know Iranians aren't Arabs (before the brothers jump in to correct me) but they all follow the same playbook.

There is also a theory I remember reading from way back when that the reason for the "grumpiness" of the muslamic fraternity was due largely to the lack of zinc in their diet i.e. unleaven bread (no yeast) no alcohol (likewise) no shelfish (a rich source of zinc and other trace minerals) etcetera.

So there you have it.

[skwdenyer]

g4ry13 said:

Tommo87 said:

Daz68 said:

Christ what a mess. Let's be honest the world is fooked. What a time to be alive or not.

They should’ve have just given the hostages back.

(Conspiracy theories about Iran/Russia being behind the whole thing aside).

Iran do fund Hamas!

I'm not sure why that is a conspiracy theory

So did Israel. Oops.

[skwdenyer]

hidetheelephants said:

skwdenyer said:

Ridgemont said:

So around 37000 dead *if* you assume Palestinian numbers are correct.
Given the population of the so called occupied territories is 5.2 million that has to be the worst effort at a genocide ever

37k killed in the first 5 months? Even the Germans didn't manage that many so quickly. I'm not suggesting that Israel is carrying out a Nazi-style programme; but I am suggesting that your poor attempt to make the current Israeli regime look good by stating how slowly they're exterminating Gazans is pretty crass, not to mention historically incoherent.

Seeing as crass comparisons are ok let's point out the nazis slaughtered ~200k Poles out of a population of ~1m during the 8 weeks of the Warsaw uprising. Bibi is an underachiever. A well-equipped army and air force against insurgents in a built up area with no exits and no sts given about collateral deaths results in that. Are the IDF committing war crimes? Probably. Could those be genocidal by the modern definition? Yes. However, despite the bellicose and genocidal rhetoric from some of Bibi's govt the IDF are not exterminating the palestinians and are not worse than the nazis.

I agree, they're not worse than the Nazis. In fact, I don't think they're intent on actively exterminating Gazans. They just don't care about the Gazans; all Gazans are guilty by association, and acceptable collateral damage.

The crass comparisons aren't about suggesting Nazi-style active extermination, but more about a comparison of numbers. Israel is trying to claim that this level of mass casualties is an acceptable side effect of "precision" warfare. It is useful to remember that in other situations such slaughter has (rightly) been called out as (at the very least) a war crime. Arguing that it is OK "because Israel" is not an acceptable way forward in the modern world.

[JJJ.]

skwdenyer said:

g4ry13 said:

Tommo87 said:

Daz68 said:

Christ what a mess. Let's be honest the world is fooked. What a time to be alive or not.

They should’ve have just given the hostages back.

(Conspiracy theories about Iran/Russia being behind the whole thing aside).

Iran do fund Hamas!

I'm not sure why that is a conspiracy theory

So did Israel. Oops.

[skwdenyer]

Oliver Hardy said:

I don't have an agenda, have you?

I know what was reported but it was a building next door to the embassy, as far as I can tell it was yes part of the compound but not a diplomatic part.

Quick edit, it was being used by the military so not protected as a diplomatic compound.

Edited by Oliver Hardy on Monday 15th April 15:44

The US posts marines in embassies; does that render them no longer diplomatic? This is a very slippery slope to go down.

[Oliver Hardy]

Iran humiliated as half of its ballistic missiles 'failed to launch' towards Israel

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1888400/iran-...

BBC keep going on about how Iran did not mean to cause any damage to Israel and launched its drones first so Israel got a warning and that they could have overwhelmed Israel with its missiles?

[skwdenyer]

Oliver Hardy said:

Iran humiliated as half of its ballistic missiles 'failed to launch' towards Israel

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1888400/iran-...

BBC keep going on about how Iran did not mean to cause any damage to Israel and launched its drones first so Israel got a warning and that they could have overwhelmed Israel with its missiles?

The conspiracy theory goes something like "Netanyahu ordered the diplomatic bombing knowing there would have to be an Iranian response, and knowing that it would help to reinforce his message that Iran is another bogeyman and only he and his increasingly right-wing actions can keep the country safe."

Much as I hope that's not true, it is hard to understand why they'd have bombed the diplomatic compound otherwise.

[Oliver Hardy]

skwdenyer said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Iran humiliated as half of its ballistic missiles 'failed to launch' towards Israel

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1888400/iran-...

BBC keep going on about how Iran did not mean to cause any damage to Israel and launched its drones first so Israel got a warning and that they could have overwhelmed Israel with its missiles?

The conspiracy theory goes something like "Netanyahu ordered the diplomatic bombing knowing there would have to be an Iranian response, and knowing that it would help to reinforce his message that Iran is another bogeyman and only he and his increasingly right-wing actions can keep the country safe."

Much as I hope that's not true, it is hard to understand why they'd have bombed the diplomatic compound otherwise.

Because of the Mohammad Reza Zahedi planned the October 7 attack!!!!

[ukwill]

skwdenyer said:

g4ry13 said:

Tommo87 said:

Daz68 said:

Christ what a mess. Let's be honest the world is fooked. What a time to be alive or not.

They should’ve have just given the hostages back.

(Conspiracy theories about Iran/Russia being behind the whole thing aside).

Iran do fund Hamas!

I'm not sure why that is a conspiracy theory

So did Israel. Oops.

Not that old bks again.

[vaud]

skwdenyer said:

g4ry13 said:

Tommo87 said:

Daz68 said:

Christ what a mess. Let's be honest the world is fooked. What a time to be alive or not.

They should’ve have just given the hostages back.

(Conspiracy theories about Iran/Russia being behind the whole thing aside).

Iran do fund Hamas!

I'm not sure why that is a conspiracy theory

So did Israel. Oops.

Israel funded hummus, not Hamas.

[e-honda]

vaud said:

Israel funded hummus, not Hamas.

I knew they were behind it
I hate that stuff

[donkmeister]

hidetheelephants said:

Mr Penguin said:

ukwill said:

Quite refreshing. No doubt the comments will awash with regime bots.

https://x.com/elicalebon/status/177968519094167997...

Iran would do so well if they had a pro-Western government.

It would be lovely if Iran had a secular liberal govt, not withstanding the non-zero possibility Saudi Arabia or Pakistan would nuke it, but I don't see a path to one that doesn't involve a great deal of death.

Iran with a secular liberal government? Nah, that could never happ... Oh. Wait.

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