45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 2

[unrepentant]

Challo said:

I have to admit that while Trump is a loon, you can clearly see how being a media star gives him the advantage. He knows that the current the media is losing popularity and that most people get news from social media. All he has to do is say something on twitter, the vast amount of his supporters believe its real and then its already an uphill battle for tradtional media to counter those claims. By that point he says something else and so the ball keeps rolling.

The guy is a scary nut job but he knows that his supporters are lapping this up.

Actually most of the media castigated and demeaned by the Orange Bigot are doing rather well. NYT - circulation way up. MSNBC - after years of sliding the ratings are up, especially Maddow. SNL - huge ratings increases especially among a younger demographic, so much so that the next season will be broadcast live on the West Coast as well as the East. A large portion of the comments on Trump's Twitter feed are mocking and derisory and some republicans have stopped tweeting because all they were getting was abuse.

True Trump supporters are a minority. The likes of 5Ohpreston who believe that Sandy Hook never happened, everything that Trump says is true and Muslims are all evil are relatively few.

[anonymous-user]

BIANCO said:

Roman Rhodes said:

Just to be clear - the 5 people aren't going to Hawaii because we've chosen to go elsewhere. Are we consciously boycotting the US? Maybe. We've been to the US plenty of times and its a big old world so we're happy to give it a miss whilst the current fairly unpleasant fashion of populism, or whatever you want to call it, runs its course (and it will blow over in my view). Friends of ours, wife is American (and voted for Trump!) won't be visiting the US until he's gone. They feel its just all gone too far and is embarrassing. So that's 7 of us crippling their economy!

Yes, I'm well aware of the reputation of US Immigration (see my comment about Bernard Manning Charm School) and have experienced the good and bad of it on many occasions.

So where in the world are you going to go? where are these bastions of social utopia? Any of Trumps travel ban countries?.
I think you are just sad, you wont go to a country because they have democratically chosen a leader you dont like.

Can't see where I mentioned "bastions of social utopia" so I can't help you there I'm afraid.

Also, not seeing where I said we're not going to the US "because they have democratically chosen a leader you (I) dont like"

Apart from that, great points!

A question for you: what would be sad about not going to a country because you disagree with the way it is being governed?

[FN2TypeR]

unrepentant said:

Actually most of the media castigated and demeaned by the Orange Bigot are doing rather well. NYT - circulation way up. MSNBC - after years of sliding the ratings are up, especially Maddow. SNL - huge ratings increases especially among a younger demographic, so much so that the next season will be broadcast live on the West Coast as well as the East. A large portion of the comments on Trump's Twitter feed are mocking and derisory and some republicans have stopped tweeting because all they were getting was abuse.

True Trump supporters are a minority. The likes of 5Ohpreston who believe that Sandy Hook never happened, everything that Trump says is true and Muslims are all evil are relatively few.

I suppose all you need now is to capitalise on this colossal lack of popularity is a presidential election eh?

[Eric Mc]

Dragging GCHQ into their fantasy world is an utter disgrace.

Is this administration willing to jeopardise every important relationship they have in order to try to justify the lunatic ramblings of their deranged president?

[tommunster10]

Eric Mc said:

Dragging GCHQ into their fantasy world is an utter disgrace.

Is this administration willing to jeopardise every important relationship they have in order to try to justify the lunatic ramblings of their deranged president?

It's all looking rather odd now even for surely the defenders. He'll be left with just the 50mustang types supporting him to the hilt until he lets them down and one of those nutters will shoot him.

It's crazy that GCHQ have to respond to the POTUS like they would respond to some conspiracy nutter saying they covered up proof Aliens exist.
But having said all of that... I am loving Trump as POTUS, it is a gift that keeps on giving. More please you orange nutcase.

[Sylvaforever]

Eric Mc said:

Dragging GCHQ into their fantasy world is an utter disgrace.

Is this administration willing to jeopardise every important relationship they have in order to try to justify the lunatic ramblings of their deranged president?

Just like Laura K, that BBC "journalist" Eric.

[dirkgently]

Eric Mc said:

Dragging GCHQ into their fantasy world is an utter disgrace.

Is this administration willing to jeopardise every important relationship they have in order to try to justify the lunatic ramblings of their deranged president?

To be fair if GCHQ were not trying to eavesdrop on Trump I want to know why, it`s their bloody job.

[Eric Mc]

I couldn't care less what journalists say.

I AM concerned about what the President of the US and his team say.

[Countdown]

I posted a link earlier showing that his support amongst Republicans is c86%

If the election was tomorrow he'd win again.

[Eric Mc]

dirkgently said:

Eric Mc said:

Dragging GCHQ into their fantasy world is an utter disgrace.

Is this administration willing to jeopardise every important relationship they have in order to try to justify the lunatic ramblings of their deranged president?

To be fair if GCHQ were not trying to eavesdrop on Trump I want to know why, it`s their bloody job.

At the invite or under the instructions of the previous US President?

This administration is getting more and more erratic in their vain attempts to make the current President not look like he's barking mad.

[Eric Mc]

Countdown said:

I posted a link earlier showing that his support amongst Republicans is c86%

If the election was tomorrow he'd win again.

I actually don't think so. Before the election Americans didn't know how lunatic he would be. Now they know.

I think if the Democrats put up an inflatable chimp - it would win over Trump.

[tommunster10]

dirkgently said:

Eric Mc said:

Dragging GCHQ into their fantasy world is an utter disgrace.

Is this administration willing to jeopardise every important relationship they have in order to try to justify the lunatic ramblings of their deranged president?

To be fair if GCHQ were not trying to eavesdrop on Trump I want to know why, it`s their bloody job.

Maybe but not on behalf of Obama... its laughable. It's deranged and he is unhinged and quite why a man this paranoid wanted to be so in focus is beyond me, there are plenty of billionaires you never ever hear about, it is possible.. that man is a gigantic ego ball and it'll be his end.

[Countdown]

Eric Mc said:

I actually don't think so. Before the election Americans didn't know how lunatic he would be. Now they know.

I think if the Democrats put up an inflatable chimp - it would win over Trump.

That's the point - he was 100% exactly the same before the election. He told copious amounts of lies, lies, and more lies. But he kept banging on about Mexicans and Muslims so a lot of people voted for him. Since the election he's demonstrated that he wants to ban Muslims and he's started working on the wall. That's ALL that matters .

There are a lot of people like 5ohm and Jimbeaux in the US. and they have a vote.

[dirkgently]

tommunster10 said:

dirkgently said:

Eric Mc said:

Dragging GCHQ into their fantasy world is an utter disgrace.

Is this administration willing to jeopardise every important relationship they have in order to try to justify the lunatic ramblings of their deranged president?

To be fair if GCHQ were not trying to eavesdrop on Trump I want to know why, it`s their bloody job.

Maybe but not on behalf of Obama... its laughable. It's deranged and he is unhinged and quite why a man this paranoid wanted to be so in focus is beyond me, there are plenty of billionaires you never ever hear about, it is possible.. that man is a gigantic ego ball and it'll be his end.

Not on behalf of Obama.No, but I do hope they have their finger on the pulse, the man is mad as a box of frogs.

[Eric Mc]

Countdown said:

That's the point - he was 100% exactly the same before the election. He told copious amounts of lies, lies, and more lies. But he kept banging on about Mexicans and Muslims so a lot of people voted for him. Since the election he's demonstrated that he wants to ban Muslims and he's started working on the wall. That's ALL that matters .

There are a lot of people like 5ohm and Jimbeaux in the US. and they have a vote.

I think the reality of having a loon in the White House is only sinking in.

When someone has no power they can rant, rave, shout, bellow and blame anybody and everything for all bad things that happen on everybody else.

When you are President, you can't behave like that.

[London424]

Eric Mc said:

Countdown said:

That's the point - he was 100% exactly the same before the election. He told copious amounts of lies, lies, and more lies. But he kept banging on about Mexicans and Muslims so a lot of people voted for him. Since the election he's demonstrated that he wants to ban Muslims and he's started working on the wall. That's ALL that matters .

There are a lot of people like 5ohm and Jimbeaux in the US. and they have a vote.

I think the reality of having a loon in the White House is only sinking in.

When someone has no power they can rant, rave, shout, bellow and blame anybody and everything for all bad things that happen on everybody else.

When you are President, you can't behave like that.

I'm not sure why this is so difficult to grasp. He's exactly the same as he was before and he won the election and he's just doing the things that he said he was going to do.

Now you might not like it, but enough people in the US did. And I know it's quite bizarre when someone starts enacting things they promised they'd do to get elected but here we are.

[unrepentant]

Countdown said:

That's the point - he was 100% exactly the same before the election. He told copious amounts of lies, lies, and more lies. But he kept banging on about Mexicans and Muslims so a lot of people voted for him. Since the election he's demonstrated that he wants to ban Muslims and he's started working on the wall. That's ALL that matters .

There are a lot of people like 5ohm and Jimbeaux in the US. and they have a vote.

In fairness to Jim it's a bit unjust to compare him to 5ohpreston. Jim didn't want Trump and only jumped on the bandwagon when all the less crazy republican alternatives were eliminated. I think if he posted and were honest he's as embarrassed as most other Americans you speak to. I spent 3 days at a business meeting in Birmingham Alabama this week with 110 people from all over the US, most of whom were almost certainly republicans. Any mention of Trump and co elicited head shaking and eye rolling. I think a lot of people who voted for him did so because they didn't want Clinton, were sick of politicians and believed that Trump would be different if elected. They didn't appreciate the hold that Bannon and outside interests have over him or quite how mentally ill he is. Hopefully republican lawmakers will pay in 2018 if Trump is still there.

[anonymous-user]

BIANCO said:

Roman Rhodes said:

BIANCO said:

Roman Rhodes said:

Just to be clear - the 5 people aren't going to Hawaii because we've chosen to go elsewhere. Are we consciously boycotting the US? Maybe. We've been to the US plenty of times and its a big old world so we're happy to give it a miss whilst the current fairly unpleasant fashion of populism, or whatever you want to call it, runs its course (and it will blow over in my view). Friends of ours, wife is American (and voted for Trump!) won't be visiting the US until he's gone. They feel its just all gone too far and is embarrassing. So that's 7 of us crippling their economy!

Yes, I'm well aware of the reputation of US Immigration (see my comment about Bernard Manning Charm School) and have experienced the good and bad of it on many occasions.

So where in the world are you going to go? where are these bastions of social utopia? Any of Trumps travel ban countries?.
I think you are just sad, you wont go to a country because they have democratically chosen a leader you dont like.

Can't see where I mentioned "bastions of social utopia" so I can't help you there I'm afraid.

Also, not seeing where I said we're not going to the US "because they have democratically chosen a leader you (I) dont like"

Apart from that, great points!

A question for you: what would be sad about not going to a country because you disagree with the way it is being governed?

Well change Trump for populism then if you want, And nothing wrong with not wanting to go to a country because of the leader and polices of that country.
I assume that you are ruling out pretty much all of Asia, Africa the Middle east, most of eastern Europe any Muslim country. As Pretty much every leader and polices of these counties are far worse than Trumps america?

Spin it however you like. The US is a popular holiday destination. We're not going there because (a) we've been recently and there's plenty of other destinations and (b) the sounds coming out of the US are hardly welcoming and that is a change we don't like. Note the word change. Your spurious comparison to other continents/countries doesn't carry any weight. Since when was someone doing something bad OK because someone else unconnected is doing something worse?

The original point was that tourism to the US wasn't going to suffer because tourists could no longer come from Syria etc. but that it MAY suffer if enough people from ALL countries decide to give it a miss because Trump/populism/protectionism/travel ban/GCHQ slur/Farage puppet/whatever else people get het up about.

[Eric Mc]

Did he say before he became President that he would -

accuse the previous President of spying on him
accuse a friendly foreign power (the UK) of spying on him
start using some of what he had labelled as sources of "fake news" as his prime source for the above
have to explain that the words emanating from his tweets did not contain the meaning ordinarily associated with them
blame the US military for bungling the first military operation he had ordered


I'm not sure any of that could have been predicted from his pre-election speeches.

[London424]

Eric Mc said:

Did he say before he became President that he would -

accuse the previous President of spying on him
accuse a friendly foreign power (the UK) of spying on him
start using some of what he had labelled as sources of "fake news" as his prime source for the above
have to explain that the words emanating from his tweets did not contain the meaning ordinarily associated with them
blame the US military for bungling the first military operation he had ordered


I'm not sure any of that could have been predicted from his pre-election speeches.

You mean apart from accusing the former president of not being born in the USA or things like that?