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Scuffers said:
yes, they were killed by the mystical fairies, not palestinian nutters at all...
but that's OK, cause Israelis are bad people who are only interested in trying to live productive, peaceful lives and not to be under constant threat of annihilation 24/7/52 by ill educated extremist nutters lead by self-interested leaders that are not even in the same country living it up on aid money etc....
Did you just use word 'ill-educated'. You? but that's OK, cause Israelis are bad people who are only interested in trying to live productive, peaceful lives and not to be under constant threat of annihilation 24/7/52 by ill educated extremist nutters lead by self-interested leaders that are not even in the same country living it up on aid money etc....
Transmitter Man said:
Actually depending on the radio and the tunnel construction you can use radio's.
UHF penetrates better than VHF though the latter tends to offer greater range in open environments.
Relevant username!UHF penetrates better than VHF though the latter tends to offer greater range in open environments.
I'm guessing the Israelis would have some hard core jamming equipment operating in the area though.
league67 said:
Scuffers said:
yes, they were killed by the mystical fairies, not palestinian nutters at all...
but that's OK, cause Israelis are bad people who are only interested in trying to live productive, peaceful lives and not to be under constant threat of annihilation 24/7/52 by ill educated extremist nutters lead by self-interested leaders that are not even in the same country living it up on aid money etc....
Did you just use word 'ill-educated'. You? but that's OK, cause Israelis are bad people who are only interested in trying to live productive, peaceful lives and not to be under constant threat of annihilation 24/7/52 by ill educated extremist nutters lead by self-interested leaders that are not even in the same country living it up on aid money etc....
zuby84 said:
You actually wonder what Israel's non-public long term aim is (I'm talking about a time-scale of decades to centuries) and if what they're doing now and every few years is just baby steps towards that long-term goal? IF I was a hard-core Zionist/Israel; I would one day want ALL of the West Bank and Gaza for myself. I would want a one-state solution with all of Israel/Palestine, but with none of the Palestinians in it.
I'm just postulating here, but IF this was your aim; how would you go about achieving it? Maybe slowly encroach into Gaza and the West Bank with settlements. Besiege the Palestinians and stop vital supplies getting in, bomb them every few years with a show of your military power to show them who's boss and basically either let them fizzle out by reducing the birthrate/health of the population or hope they are displaced to neighbouring countries over the next decades to centuries?
Does not compute - Israel signed the Oslo Accord which meant they withdrew their settlers and armed forces from Gaza (and to an extent the West Bank). Also Gaza has one of the highest birth rates in the world and a very young, very unemployed (and very angry) youthful population which Israel and Egypt won't let leave. Gaza is a large open air prison camp. I'm just postulating here, but IF this was your aim; how would you go about achieving it? Maybe slowly encroach into Gaza and the West Bank with settlements. Besiege the Palestinians and stop vital supplies getting in, bomb them every few years with a show of your military power to show them who's boss and basically either let them fizzle out by reducing the birthrate/health of the population or hope they are displaced to neighbouring countries over the next decades to centuries?
Qwert1e said:
Scuffers said:
What exactly have we got from the Arab world?
A post like that could only be made by a complete ignoramus. I suggest you take a look at Monty Python's Life of Brian to get a feel for the subject and then check out the list below,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE
•Muslims translated most of the scientific works of antiquity into Arabic.
•Muslim mathematicians devised and developed Algebra.
•Al-Khwarazmi used Arabic numerals which came to the West through his work in the 9th century.
•Al-Razi described and treated smallpox in the 10th century.
•Al-Razi also used alcohol as an antiseptic.
•Ibn Sina diagnosed and treated meningitis in the 11th century.
•Ibn al-Haytham discovered the Camera Obscura in the 11th century.
•Al-Biruni described the Ganges valley as a sedimentary basin in the 11th century.
•Muslims built the first observatory as a scientific institution in the 13th century.
•Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi explained the cause of the rainbow in the 13th century.
•Ibn al-Nafis described the minor circulation of the blood in the 14th century.
•Al-Kashani invented a computing machine in the 15th century.
Our government's silence on this atrocity in comparison tot our loud and immediate voices in the Ukraine, Libya and even Syria is very telling. Too weak to speak out against a terrorist state. I feel shamed that these silent men and women are our elected leaders.
More and more backbench MPs from all sides are speaking out yet CMD remains silent.
More and more backbench MPs from all sides are speaking out yet CMD remains silent.
kitz said:
If you want stop the slaughter
Two words
Racism
Apartheid
There is no defence .
In my posts only one person has challenged apartheid .
He or she misrepresented what I posted and-then backed down c
Arguing about dates UN resolutions and what happened years ago is honey to the
zionists on this thread .
If you want to win the argument pick the ground .
You might save a life .
1700 dead people in a concentration camp now .
Apartheid .... You know it , they know it ...use it for the description that's true .
No one has addressed it because when you use ridiculous statements like that, people realize that you are "way out in left field" and don't see a need to even bother. Two words
Racism
Apartheid
There is no defence .
In my posts only one person has challenged apartheid .
He or she misrepresented what I posted and-then backed down c
Arguing about dates UN resolutions and what happened years ago is honey to the
zionists on this thread .
If you want to win the argument pick the ground .
You might save a life .
1700 dead people in a concentration camp now .
Apartheid .... You know it , they know it ...use it for the description that's true .
RedTrident said:
Our government's silence on this atrocity in comparison tot our loud and immediate voices in the Ukraine, Libya and even Syria is very telling. Too weak to speak out against a terrorist state. I feel shamed that these silent men and women are our elected leaders.
More and more backbench MPs from all sides are speaking out yet CMD remains silent.
Too smart to pretend that the risk of civilian casualties means you cannot respond to attacks against your country, or indeed undertake any military activity. More and more backbench MPs from all sides are speaking out yet CMD remains silent.
As I have said before no country in the world would accept rockets being fired at them without reprisal.
league67 said:
How do you think that IDF could kill far more than they have? Round people up, get them into small area and execute them?
If Hamas were to publicly state that they only target IDF, and that civilians are 'collateral, unintended' damage, the same way that Israeli government keeps repeating, would they cease to be terror group? Even if they did exactly the same thing as they do now? Would IDF become, in eyes of supporters, terrorist organization if they say that they are targeting Palestinians/Arabs? As Bibi did.
Once again, one 'organization' killed more than 1700 people, minority of them 'combatants'.
Other one killed less than 70, only 3 of them civilians.
Intent? With all the military superiority, are we still talking about intent? Are we still talking about how IDF could kill more. Should Palestinians be grateful that they haven't been slaughtered in even greater numbers? Would that argument still stand if number of Palestinians killed reaches 100.000? 300.000? 1.000.000? Where is the magic number?
I don't think, as I stated before, that IDF is out to kill as many Palestinians as they can. I do think it's about collective punishment, because of who they wanted into 'power'. Which, in itself, is a war crime.
So you agree the IDF are not try to kill civilians but you believe that they are punishing the Palestinians for electing Hamas? If Hamas were to publicly state that they only target IDF, and that civilians are 'collateral, unintended' damage, the same way that Israeli government keeps repeating, would they cease to be terror group? Even if they did exactly the same thing as they do now? Would IDF become, in eyes of supporters, terrorist organization if they say that they are targeting Palestinians/Arabs? As Bibi did.
Once again, one 'organization' killed more than 1700 people, minority of them 'combatants'.
Other one killed less than 70, only 3 of them civilians.
Intent? With all the military superiority, are we still talking about intent? Are we still talking about how IDF could kill more. Should Palestinians be grateful that they haven't been slaughtered in even greater numbers? Would that argument still stand if number of Palestinians killed reaches 100.000? 300.000? 1.000.000? Where is the magic number?
I don't think, as I stated before, that IDF is out to kill as many Palestinians as they can. I do think it's about collective punishment, because of who they wanted into 'power'. Which, in itself, is a war crime.
NoNeed said:
It really is time our governments took action, whether that be sanctions or sending troops to "police" the area. It is no wonder that Islamic terror groups find it so easy to recruit when we say one thing for others yet do something else for them.
Really ? Go in with troops ? You're a loon. JagLover said:
RedTrident said:
Our government's silence on this atrocity in comparison tot our loud and immediate voices in the Ukraine, Libya and even Syria is very telling. Too weak to speak out against a terrorist state. I feel shamed that these silent men and women are our elected leaders.
More and more backbench MPs from all sides are speaking out yet CMD remains silent.
Too smart to pretend that the risk of civilian casualties means you cannot respond to attacks against your country, or indeed undertake any military activity. More and more backbench MPs from all sides are speaking out yet CMD remains silent.
As I have said before no country in the world would accept rockets being fired at them without reprisal.
We live in a sick society and it is no wonder that militant terror groups find recruitment so easy among it's youth, hell I'm a white 43 year old English man and I want to fire rockets at the f
kers myself.We will never live in peace when we allow the strong to oppress the weak, we will never be in peace while we allow the rich and wealthy nations to decide what laws it wants to follow and what ones it doesn't, we will never live in peace while we sit idly by and do nothing.
The immediate action required would be the enforcement of a two state arrangement that has it's border enforced by an international force that allows neither party to cross it until they start talking. It is quite clear they peace is unachievable in the minds of both sides maybe it should just be seperated by force will tough action for those that try to cross the line
Mr_B said:
NoNeed said:
It really is time our governments took action, whether that be sanctions or sending troops to "police" the area. It is no wonder that Islamic terror groups find it so easy to recruit when we say one thing for others yet do something else for them.
Really ? Go in with troops ? You're a loon. k out of us?I am talking of enforcing peace, by using what ever force is necessary, it is time this s
t stopped and it is quite clear that after so many decades that a different solution is required.If that is what a loon would do then I am proud to be a loon.
JagLover said:
RedTrident said:
Our government's silence on this atrocity in comparison tot our loud and immediate voices in the Ukraine, Libya and even Syria is very telling. Too weak to speak out against a terrorist state. I feel shamed that these silent men and women are our elected leaders.
More and more backbench MPs from all sides are speaking out yet CMD remains silent.
Too smart to pretend that the risk of civilian casualties means you cannot respond to attacks against your country, or indeed undertake any military activity. More and more backbench MPs from all sides are speaking out yet CMD remains silent.
As I have said before no country in the world would accept rockets being fired at them without reprisal.
Israel's future lies in a 2 state solution. That they refuse time after time to negotiate whilst continuing to steal land is very telling. They don't want peace and seem happy to use any means possible to continue the killing. 3 lads horribly abducted and killed and immediately it's used to launch a war. A soldier killed/captured and off they go bombing an entire neighbourhood. That's not responding against attacks against your country, thats just outright murder.
RedTrident said:
And no country in the world would get away with war crimes, ethnic cleansing and maintaing of a concentration camp if they didn't have the blanket support of the US and it's poodle.
Israel's future lies in a 2 state solution. That they refuse time after time to negotiate whilst continuing to steal land is very telling. They don't want peace and seem happy to use any means possible to continue the killing. 3 lads horribly abducted and killed and immediately it's used to launch a war. A soldier killed/captured and off they go bombing an entire neighbourhood. That's not responding against attacks against your country, thats just outright murder.
your forgetting about the rocket attacks...Israel's future lies in a 2 state solution. That they refuse time after time to negotiate whilst continuing to steal land is very telling. They don't want peace and seem happy to use any means possible to continue the killing. 3 lads horribly abducted and killed and immediately it's used to launch a war. A soldier killed/captured and off they go bombing an entire neighbourhood. That's not responding against attacks against your country, thats just outright murder.
10,138 rocket attacks so far and 4,890 mortars launched into Israel with 1971+ injured and 28 killed.
NoNeed said:
No country in this world would accept the illegal occupation of it's land, the bombing of it's few schools and the murder of it's children. The whole world would be wading in to help any other nation, but this one is not in American interest so would damage business.
We live in a sick society and it is no wonder that militant terror groups find recruitment so easy among it's youth, hell I'm a white 43 year old English man and I want to fire rockets at the fkers myself.
We will never live in peace when we allow the strong to oppress the weak, we will never be in peace while we allow the rich and wealthy nations to decide what laws it wants to follow and what ones it doesn't, we will never live in peace while we sit idly by and do nothing.
The immediate action required would be the enforcement of a two state arrangement that has it's border enforced by an international force that allows neither party to cross it until they start talking. It is quite clear they peace is unachievable in the minds of both sides maybe it should just be seperated by force will tough action for those that try to cross the line
The Greek Cypriots ?We live in a sick society and it is no wonder that militant terror groups find recruitment so easy among it's youth, hell I'm a white 43 year old English man and I want to fire rockets at the f
kers myself.We will never live in peace when we allow the strong to oppress the weak, we will never be in peace while we allow the rich and wealthy nations to decide what laws it wants to follow and what ones it doesn't, we will never live in peace while we sit idly by and do nothing.
The immediate action required would be the enforcement of a two state arrangement that has it's border enforced by an international force that allows neither party to cross it until they start talking. It is quite clear they peace is unachievable in the minds of both sides maybe it should just be seperated by force will tough action for those that try to cross the line
Oh I forgot, the Turks are Muslims,so that's alright.
There are many more examples.
Many countries in the Middle East and Africa are now,today,being invaded by terrorists,but that does not fit in with your World view,so you ignore it.
Edited by avinalarf on Sunday 3rd August 12:26
JagLover said:
Too smart to pretend that the risk of civilian casualties means you cannot respond to attacks against your country, or indeed undertake any military activity.
As I have said before no country in the world would accept rockets being fired at them without reprisal.
And no group of people would accept being driven from their homes, forced to live in a prison city and blockaded without fighting back using whichever means available?As I have said before no country in the world would accept rockets being fired at them without reprisal.
RedTrident said:
Where'd you get the stat of 28 killed by the rocket attacks? I've not seen that before.
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