Gunman Takes Hostages In Sydney Cafe, 'ISIS' Flags Held
Discussion
fishballs said:
do we know whether the two innocents were shot by the nutcase or the police?
http://www.9news.com.au/National/2014/12/15/10/00/...cafe manager appears to have attempted to take shotgun from nutcase when he fell asleep.
Not sure if the female barrister was shot or had a heart attack - it's a little unclear but it is still early days.
fishballs said:
do we know whether the two innocents were shot by the nutcase or the police?
Does it really matter?The bottom line is that this piece of s
t was directly responsible for the deaths of two innocent people, regardless.If the reports of the criminal history of this piece of s
t are true what on earth was he doing out on the street?
lewisf182 said:
What a fking pointless waste of life. I fking hate religion....
Surely they could have taken him out countless times when he came up to windows etc? I know films arent like real life but surely they have a sniper capable enough to make that shot at a relatively small distance? Cant see how letting it get to this stage helped at all, 2 innocent people dead.
that place was occupied by some bank before thus windows are very thick and bullet would lose a lot of speed/energy even if it made it through the windowking pointless waste of life. I fking hate religion....Surely they could have taken him out countless times when he came up to windows etc? I know films arent like real life but surely they have a sniper capable enough to make that shot at a relatively small distance? Cant see how letting it get to this stage helped at all, 2 innocent people dead.
smegmore said:
If the reports of the criminal history of this piece of st are true what on earth was he doing out on the street?
that's the problem, those who let him out should be held responsible, when first judge (or whatever person from authority) gets jailed for letting nutters out of jail you can bet this will not happen ever againt are true what on earth was he doing out on the street?smegmore said:
fishballs said:
do we know whether the two innocents were shot by the nutcase or the police?
Does it really matter?The bottom line is that this piece of s
t was directly responsible for the deaths of two innocent people, regardless.If the reports of the criminal history of this piece of s
t are true what on earth was he doing out on the street?fishballs said:
No it doesn't matter. Just wanted to know what actually happened. Beggars belief that he was walking around. I have family in NZ. Regularly they make comments about how safe they are and why would anyone want to live here. They'll be having a rethink on that one!
Why? People killed by terrorists in NZ? 0
People killed by terrorists in Australia? 2.
People killed on NZ roads to date 2014? 124
People killed on Australian roads to date 2014? 243
I know which one out of terrorists or driving is more likely to kill me. And it ain't nutters with guns.
Colonial said:
fishballs said:
No it doesn't matter. Just wanted to know what actually happened. Beggars belief that he was walking around. I have family in NZ. Regularly they make comments about how safe they are and why would anyone want to live here. They'll be having a rethink on that one!
Why? People killed by terrorists in NZ? 0
People killed by terrorists in Australia? 2.
People killed on NZ roads to date 2014? 124
People killed on Australian roads to date 2014? 243
I know which one out of terrorists or driving is more likely to kill me. And it ain't nutters with guns.
Unusually detailed profile of this so called terrorist Man Haron Monis on the BBC site here, I expect it will be pulled down at some point so read it while you can.
Worth Australians remembering this when the inevitable calls arise for more snooping, spying and general erosion of liberty and privacy in the wake of this.
A quick run down of relevant points:
He was already charged with being an accessory to the murder of his wife, and was somehow out on bail.
He was facing 40, yes forty, charges of indecent and sexual assault.
He had previously been convicted of sending offensive letters to the families of deceased Australian soldiers.
No idea what his current immigration status was in Australia but he claimed asylum in 1996, and given the above didn't seem to be making great efforts to integrate.
Yet he was still able to wonder around freely, procure gun and walk into the heart of Sydney's business and financial district unchallenged. In Australia, where you can get fined for taking an apple across the desolate border between South Australia and Western Australia.
The threat from terrorism is as nothing compared to the threat from our own stupid governments who have wasted billions and seem eager to waste more running around Iraq and Afghanistan "fighting terrorism" and generally involving ourselves in the affairs of middle east countries we have nothing to do with, and yet at the same time take absolutely no meaningful steps to prevent an obviously dangerous lunatic from causing major problems.
Worth Australians remembering this when the inevitable calls arise for more snooping, spying and general erosion of liberty and privacy in the wake of this.
A quick run down of relevant points:
He was already charged with being an accessory to the murder of his wife, and was somehow out on bail.
He was facing 40, yes forty, charges of indecent and sexual assault.
He had previously been convicted of sending offensive letters to the families of deceased Australian soldiers.
No idea what his current immigration status was in Australia but he claimed asylum in 1996, and given the above didn't seem to be making great efforts to integrate.
Yet he was still able to wonder around freely, procure gun and walk into the heart of Sydney's business and financial district unchallenged. In Australia, where you can get fined for taking an apple across the desolate border between South Australia and Western Australia.
The threat from terrorism is as nothing compared to the threat from our own stupid governments who have wasted billions and seem eager to waste more running around Iraq and Afghanistan "fighting terrorism" and generally involving ourselves in the affairs of middle east countries we have nothing to do with, and yet at the same time take absolutely no meaningful steps to prevent an obviously dangerous lunatic from causing major problems.
AJS- said:
Unusually detailed profile of this so called terrorist Man Haron Monis on the BBC site here, I expect it will be pulled down at some point so read it while you can.
Worth Australians remembering this when the inevitable calls arise for more snooping, spying and general erosion of liberty and privacy in the wake of this.
A quick run down of relevant points:
He was already charged with being an accessory to the murder of his wife, and was somehow out on bail.
He was facing 40, yes forty, charges of indecent and sexual assault.
He had previously been convicted of sending offensive letters to the families of deceased Australian soldiers.
No idea what his current immigration status was in Australia but he claimed asylum in 1996, and given the above didn't seem to be making great efforts to integrate.
Yet he was still able to wonder around freely, procure gun and walk into the heart of Sydney's business and financial district unchallenged. In Australia, where you can get fined for taking an apple across the desolate border between South Australia and Western Australia.
The threat from terrorism is as nothing compared to the threat from our own stupid governments who have wasted billions and seem eager to waste more running around Iraq and Afghanistan "fighting terrorism" and generally involving ourselves in the affairs of middle east countries we have nothing to do with, and yet at the same time take absolutely no meaningful steps to prevent an obviously dangerous lunatic from causing major problems.
I don't think the shotgun was legally obtained. Worth Australians remembering this when the inevitable calls arise for more snooping, spying and general erosion of liberty and privacy in the wake of this.
A quick run down of relevant points:
He was already charged with being an accessory to the murder of his wife, and was somehow out on bail.
He was facing 40, yes forty, charges of indecent and sexual assault.
He had previously been convicted of sending offensive letters to the families of deceased Australian soldiers.
No idea what his current immigration status was in Australia but he claimed asylum in 1996, and given the above didn't seem to be making great efforts to integrate.
Yet he was still able to wonder around freely, procure gun and walk into the heart of Sydney's business and financial district unchallenged. In Australia, where you can get fined for taking an apple across the desolate border between South Australia and Western Australia.
The threat from terrorism is as nothing compared to the threat from our own stupid governments who have wasted billions and seem eager to waste more running around Iraq and Afghanistan "fighting terrorism" and generally involving ourselves in the affairs of middle east countries we have nothing to do with, and yet at the same time take absolutely no meaningful steps to prevent an obviously dangerous lunatic from causing major problems.
Also the Islamic community had flagged him, reported him to ASIO and talked to the media about him in 2008. He wasn't an unknown entity.
He was from Iran which is unusual - most Iranian refugees and migrants are very business orientated and very keen to integrate - they tend to open small businesses and have left an oppressive regime. Have quite a few Iranian mates and they are all basically ideal migrants. Some are religious to an extent, but at a Church of England level. They can usually speak good English, have a good education or at least a willingness to learn and want to succeed. Very different to say Lebanese migrants (both Christian and Muslim).
I would like to take this opportunity to strongly condemn this horrible atrocity. I will strive to scour the internet and equally as strongly condemn any other crimes committed by a Muslim or "in the name of Islam" to appease some board members here. Failure to do so would of course mean that I support these actions and am a terrorist apologist.
(Sarcasm aside, thoughts are with everyone caught up in this tragedy - especially the victims family's.)
(Sarcasm aside, thoughts are with everyone caught up in this tragedy - especially the victims family's.)
Colonial
That's my point really. It's not so much a case of a highly organised terrorist network that necessitates greater government powers so much as a lone nutter who had already seriously transgressed existing laws and not been dealt with effectively. Yet his actions will be used as a pretext for greater government snooping powers.
That's my point really. It's not so much a case of a highly organised terrorist network that necessitates greater government powers so much as a lone nutter who had already seriously transgressed existing laws and not been dealt with effectively. Yet his actions will be used as a pretext for greater government snooping powers.
I don't read too much into the fact that he was from Iran, I too have known some lovely Iranians and always had a hankering to visit if time, money and the political situation there coincided favourably. Ayatollah Khomeini was also Iranian, and some of the things that happen there in the name of their bizarre interpretation of Islam are dreadful.
He was a deeply screwed up and criminally insane individual who should have been locked up already, and while he alone bears the blame for it, the authorities could have prevented it by acting earlier and tougher on serious criminality.
He was a deeply screwed up and criminally insane individual who should have been locked up already, and while he alone bears the blame for it, the authorities could have prevented it by acting earlier and tougher on serious criminality.
AJS- said:
I don't read too much into the fact that he was from Iran, I too have known some lovely Iranians and always had a hankering to visit if time, money and the political situation there coincided favourably. Ayatollah Khomeini was also Iranian, and some of the things that happen there in the name of their bizarre interpretation of Islam are dreadful.
He was a deeply screwed up and criminally insane individual who should have been locked up already, and while he alone bears the blame for it, the authorities could have prevented it by acting earlier and tougher on serious criminality.
Yep. Not disagreeing in the slightest. He was a deeply screwed up and criminally insane individual who should have been locked up already, and while he alone bears the blame for it, the authorities could have prevented it by acting earlier and tougher on serious criminality.
His high court challenge also failed on friday to get off the charges from sending abusive messages to the family of dead soldiers.
AJS- said:
Worth Australians remembering this when the inevitable calls arise for more snooping, spying and general erosion of liberty and privacy in the wake of this.
Only recently been embellished...http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/n...
Maybe ASIO need a bit more 'clearance'...
citizensm1th said:
1. I am guessing you do not understand the standing or meaning of the term imam in the Sunni sect?
a Sunni imam is akin to your dad or school teacher all the term imam means in the Sunni sect is the one who leads the prayers and anyone can lead the prayers.
2. part of the Sunni sect is at war with any non Sunni's if those Sunni's who want to live in peace with the rest of us don't get together and convince the rest of the world they mean what they say they will be lumped in with those who would kill us.
Eh? You were the one wondering why the "leaders" weren't vocally against ISIS. I linked one example and now you say they're irrelevant. So which is it?a Sunni imam is akin to your dad or school teacher all the term imam means in the Sunni sect is the one who leads the prayers and anyone can lead the prayers.
2. part of the Sunni sect is at war with any non Sunni's if those Sunni's who want to live in peace with the rest of us don't get together and convince the rest of the world they mean what they say they will be lumped in with those who would kill us.
Which is probably why he was on bail: just a common or garden scumbag rather than an obvious threat.On Sky news: he apparently posted videos on-line from within the cafe of hostages being forced to spout his st while standing in front of his black flag during the siege.
Also bear in mind that this individual was one that was shown in previous footage espousing Islam as a peaceful religion and that his 'pen' was his weapon and 'words' were his bullets.
Obviously changed his mind.
t while standing in front of his black flag during the siege.Also bear in mind that this individual was one that was shown in previous footage espousing Islam as a peaceful religion and that his 'pen' was his weapon and 'words' were his bullets.
Obviously changed his mind.
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