"I've just broken the Geneva convention"

[Driller]

ninja-lewis said:

that combination of Commando Spirit and Collective Group Values: Excellence, Integrity, Self-Discipline, Humility, Courage, Determination, Unselfishness and Cheerfulness.

Sergeant Blackman knew that. By failing to uphold that standard

Poppycock. I'm sorry you simply cannot use words like that and talk about "standards" in the context of killing people.

They were in a fight and both trying to kill each other and one of 'em got popped. That's it. I think it's all bullst and a waste of life but talking about standards or whatever in the context of killing people is pure hypocrisy.

ninja-lewis said:

He has abused the trust placed in him by his country, his fellow marines and not least those he led that day.

You're right, I find that trust really is the essential part when you're polishing them off in their thousands.

[V8 Fettler]

10 Pence Short said:

The court, that heard all the evidence, found that the soldiers had not just been in the heat of battle and that the prone Afghan posed no threat.

Obviously the judge in this case lacked the amazing clarity of some on here who can second guess what the soldiers faced and are also experts in military procedure and psychology to boot.

The usual tosh of "the court heard all the evidence" is wheeled out again. Mustn't question the legal system, oh no. So how, precisely, was the enemy defined as harmless when he was found? I must admit that I'm surprised that the enemy wasn't shot dead immediately by the Marines. Armed, had presented a threat, still breathing. There'll be a lesson there for British soldiers in similar situations.

[10 Pence Short]

The court heard evidence from those present at the time and those running the operation. Unless you're privy to that evidence you're merely speculating against a better informed decision. To suggest the court was wrong and you are right you're perhaps best trying to explain WHY?

[V8 Fettler]

10 Pence Short said:

The court heard evidence from those present at the time and those running the operation. Unless you're privy to that evidence you're merely speculating against a better informed decision. To suggest the court was wrong and you are right you're perhaps best trying to explain WHY?

I'm merely seeking to undermine question the court's findings: how was it determined that the enemy was not a threat when first found? Simple question, must be a simple answer.

[Zoobeef]

fk me theres some retards on this thread.

[V8 Fettler]

Zoobeef said:

fk me theres some retards on this thread.

If that's aimed at me then please say so.

[Zoobeef]

I couldn't decide which one of your many useless posts to quote.

[V8 Fettler]

Zoobeef said:

I couldn't decide which one of your many useless posts to quote.

Making decisions not one of your strong points then? Who would have thought it...

[ninja-lewis]

Driller said:

ninja-lewis said:

that combination of Commando Spirit and Collective Group Values: Excellence, Integrity, Self-Discipline, Humility, Courage, Determination, Unselfishness and Cheerfulness.

Sergeant Blackman knew that. By failing to uphold that standard

Poppycock. I'm sorry you simply cannot use words like that and talk about "standards" in the context of killing people.

They were in a fight and both trying to kill each other and one of 'em got popped. That's it. I think it's all bullst and a waste of life but talking about standards or whatever in the context of killing people is pure hypocrisy.

ninja-lewis said:

He has abused the trust placed in him by his country, his fellow marines and not least those he led that day.

You're right, I find that trust really is the essential part when you're polishing them off in their thousands.

Those "words" as you put them represents the ethos and beliefs that define a Royal Marine Commando; they are what unites all who pass the Commando Course and are what makes the corps a cohesive and effective elite fighting force.



Sergeant Blackman's actions were murder. He knew that before, during and after his deeds. Even in disgrace, his recognition of those very standards continues to set him apart from those who profess none at all.

[Zoobeef]

V8 Fettler said:

Making decisions not one of your strong points then? Who would have thought it...

Well thankfully they aren't left to you either otherwise we'd still be in a barbaric 3rd world country.

[V8 Fettler]

Zoobeef said:

V8 Fettler said:

Making decisions not one of your strong points then? Who would have thought it...

Well thankfully they aren't left to you either otherwise we'd still be in a barbaric 3rd world country.

I don't think the UK has ever been a 3rd world country, it has always been 1st world.

[Zed 44]

I think war brutalizes soldiers and there is probably a lot more of this sort of thing that goes on than we would like to admit. Just that this guy was unlucky enough to get caught.

[Driller]

ninja-lewis said:

Those "words" as you put them represents the ethos and beliefs that define a Royal Marine Commando; they are what unites all who pass the Commando Course and are what makes the corps a cohesive and effective elite fighting force.



Sergeant Blackman's actions were murder. He knew that before, during and after his deeds. Even in disgrace, his recognition of those very standards continues to set him apart from those who profess none at all.

Oh yawn, that's just more gumf for the obedient robots to repeat. We're just not going to agree on this, you can trot out as many fancy lists as you like.

I don't care how they do it and with what "standards" and "honour", killing another human, especially when they try to justify it for reasons of terrorism, axis of evil bla, bla, bla, is abhorrent which ever way you look at it and is no different from murder.

But they're all trying to murder each other so le's drop the holier than thou attitude and hypocrisy, crack out the mustard gas, depleted uranium and sarin along with the bravery-of-being-out-of-range guided bombs and apache and drone attacks and give 'em a good massacring.

Anyway I'm out of ammo so I'll leave you the last shot

[Digger]

I've read snippets but this was the first time I've read a half decent summary of the case. I'm sure most have read this but will leave this link here!


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/royal-marine-...

[McWigglebum4th]

Zed 44 said:

I think war brutalizes soldiers and there is probably a lot more of this sort of thing that goes on than we would like to admit. Just that this guy was unlucky enough to get caught.

True

Done't make it right though

[Randy Winkman]

V8 Fettler said:

Is not one of the primary responsibilities of the UK legal system to avoid poor choices of words? At least, that's what lawyers tell me.

Do you think they affected the verdict?

[Vipers]

McWigglebum4th said:

Zed 44 said:

I think war brutalizes soldiers and there is probably a lot more of this sort of thing that goes on than we would like to admit. Just that this guy was unlucky enough to get caught.

True

Done't make it right though

I think it's so easy to judge sitting in our nice warm cozy sitting rooms (generalising, not aimed at you at all), it's different living in the conditions that our soldiers are knowing comrades who have been, butchered, totally different world.

Difficult I think to judge his actions at that moment of time. Was it right, absolutely not. Take everything else into account give him a break.

[King Herald]

Victor McDade said:

King Herald said:

Vipers said:

2. The Americans break into Bin Ladens house, and kill him. (Well done boys), and no doubt got a bloody good pat on the back, a marine kills an insurgent and gets jailed. (Quoting from today's paper who was quoting from twitter)

Just saying.

Bloody good point. I think they call it assassination, and is against US law I believe.

Apparently OBL went to grab his gun so the Americans could legally then kill him there and then.

Well, we all know about the American legal system with ref to firearms and the use thereof.....

It is probably written in the constitution that if someone breaks into your gaff at 3am, and points a gun at you, it is illegal to try to fight back.

[Vipers]

King Herald said:

It is probably written in the constitution that if someone breaks into your gaff at 3am, and points a gun at you, it is illegal to try to fight back.

Did I read that it is ILLEGAL, or is it your way of indicating it IS?

[V8 Fettler]

Digger said:

I've read snippets but this was the first time I've read a half decent summary of the case. I'm sure most have read this but will leave this link here!


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/royal-marine-...

Article said:

Judge said

"This offence is unique and unprecedented in recent history."

Is the judge omnipotent? To be able to have full knowledge of all similar military actions in recent history?