UK General Election 2015

[Axionknight]

jogon said:

A nice summary of the Greens policies.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/green-par...

Absolute bonkers how anyone in the right frame of mind can vote for these loons.

That is democracy for you - people read policies and opinions and make choices based on that - and just because other people think that the viewpoint they take is wrong or barmy shouldn't mean they are excluded from the vote, as was mentioned earlier, and though age is obviously a factor in the way people choose to vote, it isn't the be all and end all.

[Gaspode]

Axionknight said:

jogon said:

A nice summary of the Greens policies.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/green-par...

Absolute bonkers how anyone in the right frame of mind can vote for these loons.

That is democracy for you - people read policies and opinions and make choices based on that - and just because other people think that the viewpoint they take is wrong or barmy shouldn't mean they are excluded from the vote, as was mentioned earlier, and though age is obviously a factor in the way people choose to vote, it isn't the be all and end all.

Indeed. Nothing new either - the Diggers were doing this in 1649.

[pilchardthecat]

jogon said:

A nice summary of the Greens policies.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/green-par...

Absolute bonkers how anyone in the right frame of mind can vote for these loons.

No fker is going to take my meat away from me! I'll fight to the death for my right to eat dead animals.

s.

[turbobloke]

jogon said:

A nice summary of the Greens policies.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/green-par...

Absolute bonkers how anyone in the right frame of mind can vote for these loons.

There are clearly people who support that nonsensical approach in all age brackets for the Greens to be beating the LibDims in the single figures polling battle of the minnows.

Some will go along out of a mix ignorance and misinformation, but there are more sideways reasons including the quasi-religious Gaia option and the Tatchell 'Red Pepper' approach of resurrecting marxism via populist green hoodwinkery, seeing that it already has a toe hold on the dreamers and mystics for example.

For whatever reason it looks as though there are people who think regressing to a localised medieval lifestyle with millions of deaths along the way is a good thing.

[Yazar]

Greens summary said:

Britain will leave NATO, end the special relationship with the US, and unilaterally abandon nuclear weapons. A standing army, navy and airforce is “unnecessary”. Bases will be turned into nature reserves and the arms industry “converted” to producing windturbines.

[turbobloke]

Yazar said:

Greens summary said:

Britain will leave NATO, end the special relationship with the US, and unilaterally abandon nuclear weapons. A standing army, navy and airforce is “unnecessary”. Bases will be turned into nature reserves and the arms industry “converted” to producing windturbines.

[pilchardthecat]

Yazar said:

Greens summary said:

Britain will leave NATO, end the special relationship with the US, and unilaterally abandon nuclear weapons. A standing army, navy and airforce is “unnecessary”. Bases will be turned into nature reserves and the arms industry “converted” to producing windturbines.

I suppose if we had enough wind turbines it would provide a certain degree of national security.










I certainly wouldnt want to be part of an airborne invasion parachuting through an endless forest of turbine blades

[Brite spark]

BBC news. said:

11:31: Power to the (young) people Holyrood will have the power to allow 16 and 17-year-olds to vote in time for May's Scottish Parliament election.

Edited by Brite spark on Tuesday 20th January 11:43

[Axionknight]

Yazar said:

Greens summary said:

Britain will leave NATO, end the special relationship with the US, and unilaterally abandon nuclear weapons. A standing army, navy and airforce is “unnecessary”. Bases will be turned into nature reserves and the arms industry “converted” to producing windturbines.

Can I add a few more cuckoo cuckoo cuckoos?

[FiF]

The other thing that I left for others to comment on that Ashcroft poll yesterday but nobody seems interested enough bar one was the aggregate Con+Lab%.

57% the lowest figure since 1981.

We'll have to see if it's the second outlier in a row.

[allergictocheese]

Party percentage of the vote is less important to me than turnout as an indicator of whether people are continuing to engage with politics.

What was the turnout in the recent by-elections versus historical data?

[Axionknight]

Turn out at Rochester and Strood was 50.6%, a total of 40,065 people for the by election, the 2010 general election had a turn out of 64.9%, 47,971 people.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochester_and_Stroo...

[JustAnotherLogin]

Interesting that some of the Kippers, having raged about being portrayed as "loonies and fruitcakes" or whatever the description was, are using just as strong language to denounce the Greens, without any more justification than the insults about them.

I don't think the Green policies make sense, but then I believe it has been shown that some of the UKIP ones can be picked apart just as much.

It's particularly ironic given that the evidence we have does support the view that Kippers as a whole are below average intelligence, but that Green voters are as a whole, above average intelligence. I don't believe that is a justification to label Kippers as "fruitcakes and loonies" either, but perhaps it should restrain Kippers from calling Greens "cretins", "thick" or "clueless" for example

I look forward to the responses that common sense is more important than intelligence, their own views being those of "common sense" of course.

[Zod]

FiF said:

The other thing that I left for others to comment on that Ashcroft poll yesterday but nobody seems interested enough bar one was the aggregate Con+Lab%.

57% the lowest figure since 1981.

We'll have to see if it's the second outlier in a row.

I did note that. An indictment of both.

[Scuffers]

JustAnotherLogin said:

Interesting that some of the Kippers, having raged about being portrayed as "loonies and fruitcakes" or whatever the description was, are using just as strong language to denounce the Greens, without any more justification than the insults about them.

I don't think the Green policies make sense, but then I believe it has been shown that some of the UKIP ones can be picked apart just as much.

It's particularly ironic given that the evidence we have does support the view that Kippers as a whole are below average intelligence, but that Green voters are as a whole, above average intelligence. I don't believe that is a justification to label Kippers as "fruitcakes and loonies" either, but perhaps it should restrain Kippers from calling Greens "cretins", "thick" or "clueless" for example

I look forward to the responses that common sense is more important than intelligence, their own views being those of "common sense" of course.

you have surpassed yourself!

that's the biggest load of twaddle you have come up with yet!

[turbobloke]

JustAnotherLogin said:

Interesting that some of the Kippers, having raged about being portrayed as "loonies and fruitcakes" or whatever the description was, are using just as strong language to denounce the Greens, without any more justification than the insults about them.

The way you put it makes the whole denouncing Greens affair seem arbitrary and without justification, when in fact there is plenty of justification for rejecting large swathes of Greenism. It's all over PH if not concentrated in this thread. As to kippers cakes and fruit, it's not applicable here so no comment is needed, while noting the reply from Scuffers.

[JustAnotherLogin]

turbobloke said:

The way you put it makes the whole denouncing Greens affair seem arbitrary and without justification, when in fact there is plenty of justification for rejecting large swathes of Greenism. It's all over PH if not concentrated in this thread. As to kippers cakes and fruit, it's not applicable here so no comment is needed, while noting the reply from Scuffers.

I could find forums with large swathes of justification that Kipper policies are a a load of crap. Does that make the comments levelled at Kippers justifiable?

I forgot though, it is one of those irregular verbs

I pass fair political comment
You insult
He scurrilously slanders

[turbobloke]

JustAnotherLogin said:

turbobloke said:

The way you put it makes the whole denouncing Greens affair seem arbitrary and without justification, when in fact there is plenty of justification for rejecting large swathes of Greenism. It's all over PH if not concentrated in this thread. As to kippers cakes and fruit, it's not applicable here so no comment is needed, while noting the reply from Scuffers.

I could find forums with large swathes of justification that Kipper policies are a a load of crap. Does that make the comments levelled at Kippers justifiable?

Addressing the policies is what should happen in both cases. In talking about greenism rather than greens, that's what I did - as you will have noticed. If the reasons for some Greens giving support include hidden motives (these days, not so hidden) then commenting on Greens in that way is justifiable.

If the justification for any view on UKIP policies is sound, then fine, but when comparing UKIP policies with Green policies, the most ridiculous by far rest in the Green manifesto.

[Axionknight]

JustAnotherLogin said:

Interesting that some of the Kippers, having raged about being portrayed as "loonies and fruitcakes" or whatever the description was, are using just as strong language to denounce the Greens, without any more justification than the insults about them.

I don't think the Green policies make sense, but then I believe it has been shown that some of the UKIP ones can be picked apart just as much.

It's particularly ironic given that the evidence we have does support the view that Kippers as a whole are below average intelligence, but that Green voters are as a whole, above average intelligence. I don't believe that is a justification to label Kippers as "fruitcakes and loonies" either, but perhaps it should restrain Kippers from calling Greens "cretins", "thick" or "clueless" for example

I look forward to the responses that common sense is more important than intelligence, their own views being those of "common sense" of course.

A lot of those UKIP supporters are ex Toty voters, how far back do you think this supposed lack of intelligence goes?

[jogon]

It really does not matter what intelligence class you rank yourself in, this forthcoming election will not be about class or IQ, but will be about your beliefs in Great Britain. LIBLABCON defeatist common purpose or pride in one's nation with UKIP.