Snoopers Charter

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NinjaPower said:

All I can say is: Ha ha ha haaaa! Good.

As usual, Daily Mash are on it:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-he...

Excellent.

[SystemParanoia]

Using Streisand... Absolutely fantastic!
was a nightmare to set it up on debian jessie, so i just did as i was supposed to and ran the install on an ubuntu 16.04 vm..

10mins later.. job done.. effortless!

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p1stonhead said:

jjlynn27 said:

Tonsko said:

ECJ rules that the IP bill illegal.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/dec/21/eus-hi...

Too little too late, maybe, especially with the article 50 business looming.

The court's conclusions:

Edited by Tonsko on Wednesday 21st December 10:14

God damned ECJ medling into our internal affairs. They should mind their own business and not trying to stop democratically elected government from using all means necessary to keep us safe from terrorists and other enemies!!

The worrying thing is that people WILL try and spin it that way! "I demand my sovereign right to be spied upon by every fker working in government without oversight or accountability"

It's a fair point. Why should a "bunch of unelected Brussels bureaucrats" get to overrule our elected Govt?

[bga]

SystemParanoia said:

Using Streisand... Absolutely fantastic!
was a nightmare to set it up on debian jessie, so i just did as i was supposed to and ran the install on an ubuntu 16.04 vm..

10mins later.. job done.. effortless!

I was thinking about giving it a go over Xmas, glad to hear that it's straightforward.

Security & privacy is massively over complicated sometimes. Make it easy & people will do it.

[Tonsko]

Countdown said:

It's a fair point. Why should a "bunch of unelected Brussels bureaucrats" get to overrule our elected Govt?

You're right, it is a fair question. But I believe it's the wrong question - same as the referendum was the 'wrong' question. That's for the other thread(s) though.

To answer your point, spin the perspective: if you take the view that it's a gross invasion of privacy, then those self same unelected bureaucrats are actually upholding well established and understood principles that have been in vogue for more than 2 centuries. So the real question is, 'Why is our own elected government so keen to undermine those principles?'

As an aside, I had an email from my ISP this morning, saying that as one of the smaller ones, they have yet to receive a 'Technical Order' which is the notification that they have to start logging. I guess they can continue to say that in every monthly mail until they do, in which case they're not allowed to tell you that they've received such. I will mention it to him.

Edited by Tonsko on Thursday 22 December 08:54

[SystemParanoia]

bga said:

SystemParanoia said:

Using Streisand... Absolutely fantastic!
was a nightmare to set it up on debian jessie, so i just did as i was supposed to and ran the install on an ubuntu 16.04 vm..

10mins later.. job done.. effortless!

I was thinking about giving it a go over Xmas, glad to hear that it's straightforward.

Security & privacy is massively over complicated sometimes. Make it easy & people will do it.

once you've done the initial setup ( from your client machine )
in the folder that you set it up from there will be a new directory called generated docs.
In there are all the details for the ports used by the various services, and also an instructions page giving you the ssl signiture file to add to your browser, and the autogenerated password to connect to your new Streisand server so you can download the config files for whichever service you want to use on whatever device you want to use it on.. even chromebooks

( pssst ... its https://<serverip or FQD > )

I wanted to use l2p\ipsec ... but my mobile provider blocks that port outgoing ( thanks giff crap! ) so open vpn it is

also.. the server does NOT like having its IP address changed.
but if it does change, just run the setup again, and all will be right with the world.. it wont regenerate a whole new set of keys and passwords... it will just fix it

[Tonsko]

I was idly thinking about this this morning on the way to work, and wondering how much people would pay to have it set up for them. I was thinking maye 10 or 20 quid?

Edited by Tonsko on Thursday 22 December 08:53

[SystemParanoia]

honestly, it really is easy.. especially if you choose to use a cloud host.

I did it locally, and all i had to do was uncomment 2 lines at the bottom of the file called "inventory"
( https://github.com/jlund/streisand/blob/master/inv... )
and change the ip to my vm's ip or fqd

if you setup your ubuntu with the default user and change nothing.. then you're done.. run it!

otherwise, on the last line of inventory, change the last word of the file "ubuntu" to whatever username you chose to use.

but then when you run it you'll have to add a bit to to the end of the launch command

this :

[ ansible-playbook playbooks/streisand.yml ]

will become

[ ansible-playbook playbooks/streisand.yml --ask-become-pass ]


it really is that easy!

if you're running the setup from windows client, you have 2 options..
install virtualbox ( https://www.virtualbox.org/ )
then install ubuntu inside of that ( https://www.ubuntu.com/download )
then run the install from inside the ubuntu vm ( after you've run all of the apt-get and pip install prerequisites ) out to your server.


or....

if you've got windows 10.. you can install 'Bash on Ubuntu on Windows' .. which is kinda cool

( https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-gb/commandline/wsl/i... )

and then run the install from the 'Bash on Ubuntu on Windows command line after you've run all of the apt-get and pip install prerequisites

[jjlynn27]

Tonsko said:

I was idly thinking about this this morning on the way to work, and wondering how much people would pay to have it set up for them. I was thinking maye 10 or 20 quid?

Edited by Tonsko on Thursday 22 December 08:53

If my experience is anything to go buy, you'll be expected to pay them £10 or £20 to set it up for them.

[Tonsko]

jjlynn27 said:

If my experience is anything to go buy, you'll be expected to pay them £10 or £20 to set it up for them.

[techguyone]

Tonsko said:

You're right, it is a fair question. But I believe it's the wrong question - same as the referendum was the 'wrong' question. That's for the other thread(s) though.

To answer your point, spin the perspective: if you take the view that it's a gross invasion of privacy, then those self same unelected bureaucrats are actually upholding well established and understood principles that have been in vogue for more than 2 centuries. So the real question is, 'Why is our own elected government so keen to undermine those principles?'

Yes,I may have to revise my views on Brexit if an unencumbered local Govt can do things like this with impunity maybe the bad EU may not be quite so bad after all...

[catso]

Tonsko said:

'Why is our own elected government so keen to undermine those principles?'

And this is one reason why I'm not convinced about this whole 'getting our country back' and no longer having to enforce silly/petty EU rules business.

We all know that no country does 'bottom-inspecting' better than the British.

Apologies if this is in the wrong thread.

[SystemParanoia]

SystemParanoia said:

honestly, it really is easy.. especially if you choose to use a cloud host.

I did it locally, and all i had to do was uncomment 2 lines at the bottom of the file called "inventory"
( https://github.com/jlund/streisand/blob/master/inv... )
and change the ip to my vm's ip or fqd

if you setup your ubuntu with the default user and change nothing.. then you're done.. run it!

otherwise, on the last line of inventory, change the last word of the file "ubuntu" to whatever username you chose to use.

but then when you run it you'll have to add a bit to to the end of the launch command

this :

[ ansible-playbook playbooks/streisand.yml ]

will become

[ ansible-playbook playbooks/streisand.yml --ask-become-pass ]


it really is that easy!

if you're running the setup from windows client, you have 2 options..
install virtualbox ( https://www.virtualbox.org/ )
then install ubuntu inside of that ( https://www.ubuntu.com/download )
then run the install from inside the ubuntu vm ( after you've run all of the apt-get and pip install prerequisites ) out to your server.


or....

if you've got windows 10.. you can install 'Bash on Ubuntu on Windows' .. which is kinda cool

( https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-gb/commandline/wsl/i... )

and then run the install from the 'Bash on Ubuntu on Windows command line after you've run all of the apt-get and pip install prerequisites

Here is how to uninstall 'Bash on Ubuntu on Windows' if you decide you don't want it hanging about taking up space

( http://www.howtogeek.com/261188/how-to-uninstall-o... )

[jjlynn27]

Not sure if this is the right place (if not, mods please delete), but I have very good experience with these guys. Cheap as chips and I've been using their $15/y for 2 years now for vpn. No links to them whatsoever, apart from being very happy customer.

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Tonsko said:

You're right, it is a fair question. But I believe it's the wrong question - same as the referendum was the 'wrong' question. That's for the other thread(s) though.

To answer your point, spin the perspective: if you take the view that it's a gross invasion of privacy, then those self same unelected bureaucrats are actually upholding well established and understood principles that have been in vogue for more than 2 centuries. So the real question is, 'Why is our own elected government so keen to undermine those principles?'

As an aside, I had an email from my ISP this morning, saying that as one of the smaller ones, they have yet to receive a 'Technical Order' which is the notification that they have to start logging. I guess they can continue to say that in every monthly mail until they do, in which case they're not allowed to tell you that they've received such. I will mention it to him.

Edited by Tonsko on Thursday 22 December 08:54

Some people might see it as a gross invasion of privacy. Others might see it as a legitimate means of ensuring our security. Either way we have the power via democratic means to change the law if the majority are against it. We don't have that power if it's given to the EU.

[Tonsko]

Countdown said:

Others might see it as a legitimate means of ensuring our security.

Which, by any metric - including some provided by the security services themselves (by virtue of simply having *too much data to sift through* leading to intelligence failures) - is total hogwash. This line of argument is only really used (in my opinion obvs) to further personal agendas akin to the thoroughly debunked 'if you have nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear' fallacy.

I would like to emphasise though that I'm not attacking you, just have a general frustration with governmental wooly thinking that has allowed us to get into this position in the first place and it may be coming out a little aggressively.

As to the democratic means - that hasn't worked that well so far. Not many people seem to sufficiently give a st to hound their elected representatives to stand up and refuse to vote for the laws.

Edit - here is the link about internal MI5 documents stating that it was collecting 'significantly more than it is able to exploit fully'. http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2016/06/mi5-t...

And yet they want to add more data. Classic.

Edited by Tonsko on Thursday 22 December 13:23

[anonymous-user]

Tonsko said:

I was idly thinking about this this morning on the way to work, and wondering how much people would pay to have it set up for them. I was thinking maye 10 or 20 quid?

Edited by Tonsko on Thursday 22 December 08:53

You have a good idea there.

People are lazy, don't understand technology, and just want stuff to simply work. Which is why Apple have done so well.

Based on that, I would have thought £19.99 or £29.99 is a small price to pay for someone who wants privacy but doesn't know where to start or what to do.

I can see this becoming a popular service until the loophole is eventually closed a few years down the line.

[hyperblue]

Oh yes, we'll only use new powers for extreme threats and errr terrorism, honest!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/25/brit...

the article said:

Councils were given permission to carry out more than 55,000 days of covert surveillance over five years, including spying on people walking dogs, feeding pigeons and fly-tipping, the Guardian can reveal.

[carinaman]

Cracking first bullet point:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3757361/Sc...

[Tonsko]

Can you summarise? Daily Mail is blocked on my filter.