War with Russia
Discussion
jmorgan said:
BTW, never seen a nuke go off myself, apart from films so no idea what a small one looks like so I am probably not qualifies, nay, defiantly not qualified to speculate.
I'm pretty sure the proximity shown in the video (time to sound arriving), even to a 'small' current battlefield nuclear weapon, would provide those observing directly with a nice dose of heat radiation to the point they'd want to duck and cover, and not just stand around filming it.Isn't this more likely to be one of those specialist fuel air explosive types if anything, rather than even some large conventional HE explosion or fuel oil types?
Dave
Octoposse said:
Quite so. Hilarious given that this whole s
t storm started when Moscow did exactly what Bluebarge recommended, and offerred Ukraine a very juicy trade deal. 'We' cried foul and threw our weight behind a coup against the government that signed it (you knew what was on the cards as soon as the 'elected government of Ukraine' became the 'Yanukovych regime' . . . )
A juicy trade deal on condition they *didn't* also sign up with the EU; I doubt the EU bilateral agreement included any exclusivity clauses. It also failed to address any of the ongoing stagnation in the Ukraine economy as it was, surprise surprise, focussed mostly on subsidising lossmaking quasi-state enterprises in the Donbass and lining the pockets of Yanukovich's cronies. Any more clue as to why there were hundreds of thousands protesting in Maidan square? It probably wasn't because the CIA bribed them to be there.t storm started when Moscow did exactly what Bluebarge recommended, and offerred Ukraine a very juicy trade deal. 'We' cried foul and threw our weight behind a coup against the government that signed it (you knew what was on the cards as soon as the 'elected government of Ukraine' became the 'Yanukovych regime' . . . )Mr Whippy said:
I'm pretty sure the proximity shown in the video (time to sound arriving), even to a 'small' current battlefield nuclear weapon, would provide those observing directly with a nice dose of heat radiation to the point they'd want to duck and cover, and not just stand around filming it.
Isn't this more likely to be one of those specialist fuel air explosive types if anything, rather than even some large conventional HE explosion or fuel oil types?
Dave
The flash would have crisped your retinas if it was nuclear.Isn't this more likely to be one of those specialist fuel air explosive types if anything, rather than even some large conventional HE explosion or fuel oil types?
Dave
Any truth to this I wonder, satellite imagery of the 9/11 attacks:
http://www.pravda.ru/news/world/northamerica/usaca...
Probably Russia's version of the daily mash.
http://www.pravda.ru/news/world/northamerica/usaca...
Probably Russia's version of the daily mash.
Richyboy said:
Any truth to this I wonder, satellite imagery of the 9/11 attacks:
http://www.pravda.ru/news/world/northamerica/usaca...
Probably Russia's version of the daily mash.
If the web address has .ru at the end of it, you can more or less safely discard it http://www.pravda.ru/news/world/northamerica/usaca...
Probably Russia's version of the daily mash.
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Octoposse said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Venezuela, Somalia, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and now Ukraine. These are all countries post cold war that the USA has either tried to force the change of government through covert means or have overtly violently overthrown governments.
Or consider Kosovo - a state hewn by overwhelming force from within the internationally recognised borders of the sovereign Republic of Yugoslavia, with a prolonged bombing campaign that included numerous civilian targets. Compare and contrast with the near bloodless succession of Crimea from Ukraine . . . Crimea = The bad guys.
Remember what the BBC, CNN etc. Have told you
Meanwhile in Chechnya, Dagestan, Abhazia, South Ossetia, Crimea, Donbas...
Even the Russian who organised the so called "referendum" in Crimea admits was a farce
http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/01/24/ex-terrorist...
Octoposse said:
Quite so. Hilarious given that this whole st storm started when Moscow did exactly what Bluebarge recommended, and offerred Ukraine a very juicy trade deal. 'We' cried foul and threw our weight behind a coup against the government that signed it (you knew what was on the cards as soon as the 'elected government of Ukraine' became the 'Yanukovych regime' . . . )
Yes. It was/is all quite transparent. Taking a page from the old CIA playbook in Guatamala, Cuba, Venezuela or any other number of countless countries where these tactics have been employed. t storm started when Moscow did exactly what Bluebarge recommended, and offerred Ukraine a very juicy trade deal. 'We' cried foul and threw our weight behind a coup against the government that signed it (you knew what was on the cards as soon as the 'elected government of Ukraine' became the 'Yanukovych regime' . . . )Instead of United Fruit now we have Hunter Biden and Burisma.
scherzkeks said:
Yes. It was/is all quite transparent. Taking a page from the old CIA playbook in Guatamala, Cuba, Venezuela or any other number of countless countries where these tactics have been employed.
Instead of United Fruit now we have Hunter Biden and Burisma.
Howdy, Scherzkeks. I'm surprised you find time to peddle this nonsense what with roping steers on the ranch, breaking in that stallion for the rodeo, and meeting up with the other hands for some beers and borscht Instead of United Fruit now we have Hunter Biden and Burisma.
scherzkeks said:
Bluebarge said:
Howdy, Scherzkeks. I'm surprised you find time to peddle this nonsense what with roping steers on the ranch, breaking in that stallion for the rodeo, and meeting up with the other hands for some beers and borscht
Yes, I know you'd like to change the topic. The argument you and Octoposse are espousing has already been demolished above, but you chose to ignore all the intervening posts in favour of repeating the lie, for which there is no credible foundation. Pretty standard Soviet tactic, that.
Bluebarge said:
No, I'm happy to stick with the same topic, I'm just yanking your chain over your claims to be an American.
The argument you and Octoposse are espousing has already been demolished above, but you chose to ignore all the intervening posts in favour of repeating the lie, for which there is no credible foundation. Pretty standard Soviet tactic, that.
Yes, on planet fruit loop I am Russian and the CIA does not engage in covert regime change. The argument you and Octoposse are espousing has already been demolished above, but you chose to ignore all the intervening posts in favour of repeating the lie, for which there is no credible foundation. Pretty standard Soviet tactic, that.
Dark Ages America has a wonderful, easily digestable chapter on this, should you ever leave the bubble.
skyrover said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Octoposse said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Venezuela, Somalia, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and now Ukraine. These are all countries post cold war that the USA has either tried to force the change of government through covert means or have overtly violently overthrown governments.
Or consider Kosovo - a state hewn by overwhelming force from within the internationally recognised borders of the sovereign Republic of Yugoslavia, with a prolonged bombing campaign that included numerous civilian targets. Compare and contrast with the near bloodless succession of Crimea from Ukraine . . . Crimea = The bad guys.
Remember what the BBC, CNN etc. Have told you
Meanwhile in Chechnya, Dagestan, Abhazia, South Ossetia, Crimea, Donbas...
Even the Russian who organised the so called "referendum" in Crimea admits was a farce
http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/01/24/ex-terrorist...
South Ossetia - Georgia believing they have the backing of NATO, including training and weapons supplied by USA and Israel, attempt a sneaky land grab, assuming Russia would back down because of the NATO connection. The Russians react with the expected lack of restraint.
Shall we discuss the stable democratic successes of Venezuela, Somalia, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan etc. None of which border the USA.
jmorgan said:
If I were Putin I would be lining up a swag bag for the greeks. Here you go lads, have one on me.....
It does raise an interesting question; would Putin's desire to fk with the EU and NATO stretch to adopting Greece as another basket case vassal state? Would the Greeks bite if it was offered?hidetheelephants said:
It does raise an interesting question; would Putin's desire to fk with the EU and NATO stretch to adopting Greece as another basket case vassal state? Would the Greeks bite if it was offered?
Well they're already a vassal state to the E.U so nothing ventured, nothing gained!k with the EU and NATO stretch to adopting Greece as another basket case vassal state? Would the Greeks bite if it was offered?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff