Discussion
douglasb said:
I'm in a similar position to jmorgan in that I could be away from home for the entire week.
If I had spots on my dick I could go to a doctor wherever I was working at a mutually convenient time. When I need to vote this is at a fixed place between 7am and 10pm and I couold be 300 miles away.
There are genuine reasons for postal votes.
So we have a system that is open to widespread abuse (as has been show a good number of times in court) just to accommodate your being away for a few weeks ??.....fIf I had spots on my dick I could go to a doctor wherever I was working at a mutually convenient time. When I need to vote this is at a fixed place between 7am and 10pm and I couold be 300 miles away.
There are genuine reasons for postal votes.
k that for a system
mybrainhurts said:
Blimey, Foot looks quite dapper there. What happened, where's the donkey jacket?
The Living Stone, on the other hand, looks as though he was in training for his present fashion bomb success.
Behold....
Come on....he did his dutyThe Living Stone, on the other hand, looks as though he was in training for his present fashion bomb success.
Behold....
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/P...
....Holy snot, I didn't see that coming.Jimboka said:
Postal votes a distraction
Like it or not , Labour would have won anyway & 1 MP UKIP (same as greens) got a kicking
Most of our armed forces would be unable to vote if it were not for Postal or Proxy votes.Like it or not , Labour would have won anyway & 1 MP UKIP (same as greens) got a kicking
At least that was the way for the unmarried ones anyway, registered address was never our barracks but home address where we had joined up from.
XCP said:
technodup said:
'd prefer to have polling stations longer for the tiny minority of people who 'can't get to' a polling station between 7am and 10pm on one day every five years.
Postal voting unnecessarily opens the process to abuse.
Trouble is I work in a polling station!Postal voting unnecessarily opens the process to abuse.
This of course means that in those communities you can easily get very close to 100% turnout, as opposed to the wider community who are much less tightly organised in terms of voting.
The fact the rest of the community don't like it, doesn't make it fraud as such.
Timmy40 said:
I don't actually think there is much genuine postal vote fraud, as in fictional identities, multiple addresses etc. I think what happens is in certain 'communities' there is a very strong patriarchal element to the social organisation of the community, women and young adults vote as told to by the head of the house, who orders postal votes for his whole household, which are then completed as instructed by him and taken down to the polling station.
This of course means that in those communities you can easily get very close to 100% turnout, as opposed to the wider community who are much less tightly organised in terms of voting.
The fact the rest of the community don't like it, doesn't make it fraud as such.
Not liking it has nothing to do with it, it's wrong - the whole issue is "one person, one vote". As things stand it's "one person, lots of votes" which is wrongThis of course means that in those communities you can easily get very close to 100% turnout, as opposed to the wider community who are much less tightly organised in terms of voting.
The fact the rest of the community don't like it, doesn't make it fraud as such.
Corbyn is still going to the Stop The War Beano despite appeals from many in his Party. STW have praised ISIS and excused the terrorism against France this year.
All that will be needed is a couple of headlines in the right papers to alert the Labour heartlands (who miss all of this stuff) to alert them to what Corbyn is actually doing and he will become sidelined.
All that will be needed is a couple of headlines in the right papers to alert the Labour heartlands (who miss all of this stuff) to alert them to what Corbyn is actually doing and he will become sidelined.
Timmy40 said:
I don't actually think there is much genuine postal vote fraud, as in fictional identities, multiple addresses etc. I think what happens is in certain 'communities' there is a very strong patriarchal element to the social organisation of the community, women and young adults vote as told to by the head of the house, who orders postal votes for his whole household, which are then completed as instructed by him and taken down to the polling station.
This of course means that in those communities you can easily get very close to 100% turnout, as opposed to the wider community who are much less tightly organised in terms of voting.
The fact the rest of the community don't like it, doesn't make it fraud as such.
That is fraudulent.This of course means that in those communities you can easily get very close to 100% turnout, as opposed to the wider community who are much less tightly organised in terms of voting.
The fact the rest of the community don't like it, doesn't make it fraud as such.
When using a postal vote the process of filling in the ballot paper and securing it in the envelope have to be carried out in secret. It is an offence for anyone to have influence over you during this process.
jsf said:
That is fraudulent.
When using a postal vote the process of filling in the ballot paper and securing it in the envelope have to be carried out in secret. It is an offence for anyone to have influence over you during this process.
All the families in which people have voted Labour or Conservative for generations are going to be in trouble then.When using a postal vote the process of filling in the ballot paper and securing it in the envelope have to be carried out in secret. It is an offence for anyone to have influence over you during this process.
There have been instances of postal voting fraud in places like Tower Hamlets with false names on the electoral roll and the ballots of large parts of communities being completed by a controlling group, but a family head completing the family's ballots is not fraud. It is wrong, but it is not fraud.
Zod said:
but a family head completing the family's ballots is not fraud. It is wrong, but it is not fraud.
If someone else completes your ballot paper for you, then that is electoral fraud. This is a somewhat academic discussion anyway. I don't think postal votes change the outcome, certainly not in a General Election,.
Can't we get back to discussing whether Jeremy Cor bin Laden is going to declare full Jihad on every female member of his current cabinet
Zod said:
All the families in which people have voted Labour or Conservative for generations are going to be in trouble then.
There have been instances of postal voting fraud in places like Tower Hamlets with false names on the electoral roll and the ballots of large parts of communities being completed by a controlling group, but a family head completing the family's ballots is not fraud. It is wrong, but it is not fraud.
Once in the ballot filling area of a polling station or when filling out a postal vote, any format of outside influence is illegal. Of course there is no way to stop people influencing you prior to your vote, but in the moment you carry out the vote you must, by law, do so in secret. There have been instances of postal voting fraud in places like Tower Hamlets with false names on the electoral roll and the ballots of large parts of communities being completed by a controlling group, but a family head completing the family's ballots is not fraud. It is wrong, but it is not fraud.
Gargamel said:
Zod said:
but a family head completing the family's ballots is not fraud. It is wrong, but it is not fraud.
If someone else completes your ballot paper for you, then that is electoral fraud. This is a somewhat academic discussion anyway. I don't think postal votes change the outcome, certainly not in a General Election,.
Can't we get back to discussing whether Jeremy Cor bin Laden is going to declare full Jihad on every female member of his current cabinet
No one votes for me on my behalf, my grandfather did not go through hell 71 years ago just so someone could try and steal my vote, you try it, you'll get a good kicking.
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