Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

[AW111]

eharding said:

Don, you poor old senile dementionista, if you still had your marbles you'd know the difference between Elgar and Elgin.

I love the "rightful place on the world stage" bit.
There is no more British Empire, and precious little Royal Navy to enforce it.

And I thought the Supreme Court was an outmoded, undemocratic institution that was hell-bent on trampling the rights of the people - I must have misread something.

[B'stard Child]

AW111 said:

And I thought the Supreme Court was an outmoded, undemocratic institution that was hell-bent on trampling the rights of the people - I must have misread something.

Yep - Please stop reading the Daily Mail

[AW111]

B'stard Child said:

Yep - Please stop reading the Daily Mail

But then who will tell me what to think?

Following NP&E guidelines, I have already dropped the BBC, Guardian and all the rest of the lying MSM; Breitbart gives me indigestion; and I'm not on facebook or twitter, so I don't get their news feeds.

I'll just have to trust the voices, I suppose, and read the patterns in the contrails.

[Northern Munkee]

If anyone's thinking the EU is going to reform, change direction, or wind it's neck in after Brexit, Trump, Italy, etc etc then think again. I just heard a former EU commissioner tell Evan Davis on Newsnight that after Brexit "Europe" has realised what they would be losing and opinion polls show like the winning margin increasing in the Austrian presidential run off, even the Richmond by election, that the people of Europe are now more pro-EU. Never mind that 46% of Austrians are prepared to vote for a real far right party, or the likely winner of a Italian GE wants a referendum on, to get out of the euro. It's business as usual in Brussels and what europe needs is just more EU.

[B'stard Child]

AW111 said:

B'stard Child said:

Yep - Please stop reading the Daily Mail

But then who will tell me what to think?

Following NP&E guidelines, I have already dropped the BBC, Guardian and all the rest of the lying MSM; Breitbart gives me indigestion; and I'm not on facebook or twitter, so I don't get their news feeds.

When were they released? Is there a sticky somewhere - OK I realise that I'd be hunting for a needle sticky in a haystack of stickies but clearly you have seen it

AW111 said:

I'll just have to trust the voices, I suppose, and read the patterns in the contrails.

Don't trust the voices - they only confuse you.

[B'stard Child]

Northern Munkee said:

If anyone's thinking the EU is going to reform, change direction, or wind it's neck in after Brexit, Trump, Italy, etc etc then think again. I just heard a former EU commissioner tell Evan Davis on Newsnight that after Brexit "Europe" has realised what they would be losing and opinion polls show like the winning margin increasing in the Austrian presidential run off, even the Richmond by election, that the people of Europe are now more pro-EU. Never mind that 46% of Austrians are prepared to vote for a real far right party, or the likely winner of a Italian GE wants a referendum on, to get out of the euro. It's business as usual in Brussels and what europe needs is just more EU.

Ahh my reason to leave Number 8 (technically it's nine as I did 273 after number 7)

Opt outs are only opt outs for so long in the gradual progression from "common market" to EuSSR it's like trying to fight the assimilation to the borg........ One winner and it ain't you

[AW111]

don4l said:

The Supreme Court will become the highest court in the land.

What EU institution do you think overrules the supreme court?

Hint - the ECHR is not part of the EU, and leaving the EU will not take Britain out of the ECHR.

don4l said:

I think that a little bit of Elgin is called for.

I assume that would be rock music?

[cirian75]

AW111 said:

don4l said:

The Supreme Court will become the highest court in the land.

What EU institution do you think overrules the supreme court?

Hint - the ECHR is not part of the EU, and leaving the EU will not take Britain out of the ECHR.

don4l said:

I think that a little bit of Elgin is called for.

I assume that would be rock music?

Most of them don't realise that little fact and also Churchill was involved in its creation.

[anonymous-user]

cirian75 said:

Most of them don't realise that little fact and also Churchill was involved in its creation.

Well it was discussed a couple of days ago, so "they" do know.

[cirian75]

bmw535i said:

cirian75 said:

Most of them don't realise that little fact and also Churchill was involved in its creation.

Well it was discussed a couple of days ago, so "they" do know.

A lot before did not.

[anonymous-user]

cirian75 said:

A lot before did not.

A lot?

[cirian75]

bmw535i said:

cirian75 said:

A lot before did not.

A lot?

Quite a few thought leaving the EU meant we left all the European stuff like the ECHR.

[anonymous-user]

cirian75 said:

bmw535i said:

cirian75 said:

A lot before did not.

A lot?

Quite a few thought leaving the EU meant we left all the European stuff like the ECHR.

A lot, quite a few - seems quite vague. I wonder where you get these numbers from.
We could leave the ECHR.

[cirian75]

bmw535i said:

cirian75 said:

bmw535i said:

cirian75 said:

A lot before did not.

A lot?

Quite a few thought leaving the EU meant we left all the European stuff like the ECHR.

A lot, quite a few - seems quite vague. I wonder where you get these numbers from.

There are no figures, it won't be as many as the remain side would like to think, but they exist, besides I though being deliberately vague and misleading was the new meta?

[anonymous-user]

cirian75 said:

There are no figures, it won't be as many as the remain side would like to think, but they exist, besides I though being deliberately vague and misleading was the new meta?

No, that's misquoting. Like using the word exciting in a few consecutive posts followed by a post denying you've used it.

Lots of drunk people here, or perhaps so blinded by rage their attention to detail has completely disappeared.

[AW111]

bmw535i said:

cirian75 said:

A lot before did not.

A lot?

An Englishman, an Irishman, a cockney, an immigrant and an emigrant, so at least five.

Based on "one, two, many, lots", that's lots.

[FiF]

AW111 said:

bmw535i said:

cirian75 said:

A lot before did not.

A lot?

An Englishman, an Irishman, a cockney, an immigrant and an emigrant, so at least five.

Based on "one, two, many, lots", that's lots.

So that's Don4l sorted, so one then. joking folks

[Elysium]

dbdb said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

I am not a Kipper I voted to leave I then expected the Gov to then start the difficult process of extracting us from the EU and I didn't think it would happen overnight. There was a Referendum and I believe that actually 400 of Parliamentary Constituencies voted to leave so whatever way you want to spin this the majority want to leave the EU what happens after that is the responsibility of Government that's what they get paid for. Seeing a bunch of crusty old farts getting a stiffy on over the meaning of words used in other events going back decades just adds to the feeling that we need a new Political class and that includes the Judiciary.

The rule of law is a very fragile thing in many countries. Nothing good flows from that. Thankfully, the UK has a robust legal system and a judiciary who ensures that the law is followed by everyone - even the Government - whether those rules are convenient and popular or not.

If we are to leave the European Union and we almost certainly will, then this should be done properly. One of this country's great strengths is that it will be. Following the rule of law even when unpopular with the mob is one of the many positive attributes that the UK will be able to draw upon when attracting the investment the country needs from abroad. Following the rule of law is essential to our stability and economic success, whether the Daily Mail like to see this or not.

I must be channelling the spirit of don4l as I imagined Nimrod as the backdrop to your post.

Well said!

[Elysium]

AW111 said:

don4l said:

The Supreme Court will become the highest court in the land.

What EU institution do you think overrules the supreme court?

Hint - the ECHR is not part of the EU, and leaving the EU will not take Britain out of the ECHR.

I didn't know that and I bet the vast majority of all voters (leave or remain) did not know that either.

[FiF]

Elysium said:

dbdb said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

I am not a Kipper I voted to leave I then expected the Gov to then start the difficult process of extracting us from the EU and I didn't think it would happen overnight. There was a Referendum and I believe that actually 400 of Parliamentary Constituencies voted to leave so whatever way you want to spin this the majority want to leave the EU what happens after that is the responsibility of Government that's what they get paid for. Seeing a bunch of crusty old farts getting a stiffy on over the meaning of words used in other events going back decades just adds to the feeling that we need a new Political class and that includes the Judiciary.

The rule of law is a very fragile thing in many countries. Nothing good flows from that. Thankfully, the UK has a robust legal system and a judiciary who ensures that the law is followed by everyone - even the Government - whether those rules are convenient and popular or not.

If we are to leave the European Union and we almost certainly will, then this should be done properly. One of this country's great strengths is that it will be. Following the rule of law even when unpopular with the mob is one of the many positive attributes that the UK will be able to draw upon when attracting the investment the country needs from abroad. Following the rule of law is essential to our stability and economic success, whether the Daily Mail like to see this or not.

I must be channelling the spirit of don4l as I imagined Nimrod as the backdrop to your post.

Well said!

I must agree, I'm not at all exercised about the court case whichever way it goes. If we are to leave the EU then it must be done legally, and the very first act, triggering it, along with all the other steps must get done legally and properly, and be seen to be done that way.

If the first time that things get a bit inconvenient we ignored the laws, any signed treaties and basically tore up the rule book in order to get our way then we wouldn't be much of a nation that stood for what we stand for, we'd be no better than, errrr...., the EU? (Yes yes, I know the EU's technically not a nation, yet.)