45th President of the United States, Donald Trump.

[p1stonhead]

Oakey said:

p1stonhead said:

Well I think that puts and end to the 'earlier in the day' debate.

Does it?

This sort of image is how things are widely being portrayed;



Is it perspective that's making that area look like there are more people in the CNN shot?

All you need to do is look at the photo posted from Earthcams. Looking from the back obviously gives a clearer image of those areas than the gigapixel at the very front....

Are we actually debating line of sight or the fact that even in your picture there are clear white patches?

[FredClogs]

Halb said:

p1stonhead said:

Moving on to his policies, I would like to know how he plans to do the below which is on the White House website;

The Trump Administration is also committed to clean coal technology, and to reviving America’s coal industry, which has been hurting for too long.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy

Does he realise that coal production is pretty much at an all time high (well 2008 was)? What does he need to revive?


http://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/annual/pdf/sec...

Does he also realise that due to machinery becoming ubiqutous and efficient, employment in the sector is nearly at an all time low?


http://arlweb.msha.gov/stats/centurystats/coalstat...

I assume he plans to ban machinery in the sector which has been 'hurting for too long'?

In making the statement 'make America Great again', was he referring to 2008, when coal production was highest or 1923 when coal employment was highest?

Interesting point.

Fake news.

He mines the best coal, no one mines coal better than him, believe me.

It's going to beautiful, like the end of the film where Pete Postletwhaite plays the trumpet.

[p1stonhead]

rscott said:

scherzkeks said:

Incorrect. My argument is that the photo on the left is being used to misrepresent turnout at Trump's inauguration. There are several photos in this thread showing that the mall filled up later in the day. The media is not running those photos as they do not serve the narrative that he is unpopular.

The comparo photo is the photo (two photos) that the media has widely published. The photo on the right is not in question in any way shape or form. Not sure how much clearer it can get.

Scherzkeks - what's your view on this https://www.facebook.com/earthcaminc/videos/101541... . It's webcam images taken by National Parks Service at the time of the inauguration .

FAKE NEWS LOSER!

[roachcoach]

rscott said:

scherzkeks said:

Incorrect. My argument is that the photo on the left is being used to misrepresent turnout at Trump's inauguration. There are several photos in this thread showing that the mall filled up later in the day. The media is not running those photos as they do not serve the narrative that he is unpopular.

The comparo photo is the photo (two photos) that the media has widely published. The photo on the right is not in question in any way shape or form. Not sure how much clearer it can get.

Scherzkeks - what's your view on this https://www.facebook.com/earthcaminc/videos/101541... . It's webcam images taken by National Parks Service at the time of the inauguration .

Now remember: "This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration - period - both in person and around the globe."

[XM5ER]

p1stonhead said:

So your opinion is that when America was 'great' was 6 years ago. Thats fine - Trump hasnt clarified himself I assumed he meant some sort of golden era, not when the iphone 5 came out.

And also jobs were still in the toilet back then so you think Trump is going after and increase in overall production rather than jobs?

Thats fine too but Trump hasnt adressed that either.

Clearly its open to interpretation hence the reason for posting it. Personally I thought he wanted to bring back jobs to the coal industry as this makes more sense than going after and increase in the (presumed) profits of the coal company execs in my mind.

It wasnt a post with an agenda. Its an interesting topic worthy of discussion I thought.

Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 23 January 14:07

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HTH

[loose cannon]

In other news madonna threatened to blow up the Whitehouse oh dear lots of backtracking now by Madge but she didn't really mean it though

[p1stonhead]

XM5ER said:

p1stonhead said:

So your opinion is that when America was 'great' was 6 years ago. Thats fine - Trump hasnt clarified himself I assumed he meant some sort of golden era, not when the iphone 5 came out.

And also jobs were still in the toilet back then so you think Trump is going after and increase in overall production rather than jobs?

Thats fine too but Trump hasnt adressed that either.

Clearly its open to interpretation hence the reason for posting it. Personally I thought he wanted to bring back jobs to the coal industry as this makes more sense than going after and increase in the (presumed) profits of the coal company execs in my mind.

It wasnt a post with an agenda. Its an interesting topic worthy of discussion I thought.

Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 23 January 14:07

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HTH

I literally dont get your point? You think im whinging or upset about something?

have a look everyone. This is what were up against with some Trump supporters!

[Oakey]

p1stonhead said:

All you need to do is look at the photo posted from Earthcams. Looking from the back obviously gives a clearer image of those areas than the gigapixel at the very front....

Are we actually debating line of sight or the fact that even in your picture there are clear white patches?

I've not said there isn't white patches but there clearly isn't a football fields length worth of empty space between the back of that crowd and the big white building is there?

[p1stonhead]

Oakey said:

p1stonhead said:

All you need to do is look at the photo posted from Earthcams. Looking from the back obviously gives a clearer image of those areas than the gigapixel at the very front....

Are we actually debating line of sight or the fact that even in your picture there are clear white patches?

I've not said there isn't white patches but there clearly isn't a football fields length worth of empty space between the back of that crowd and the big white building is there?

How about on this video? There clearly is.

https://www.facebook.com/earthcaminc/videos/101541...

[turbobloke]

roachcoach said:

rscott said:

scherzkeks said:

Incorrect. My argument is that the photo on the left is being used to misrepresent turnout at Trump's inauguration. There are several photos in this thread showing that the mall filled up later in the day. The media is not running those photos as they do not serve the narrative that he is unpopular.

The comparo photo is the photo (two photos) that the media has widely published. The photo on the right is not in question in any way shape or form. Not sure how much clearer it can get.

Scherzkeks - what's your view on this https://www.facebook.com/earthcaminc/videos/101541... . It's webcam images taken by National Parks Service at the time of the inauguration .

Now remember: "This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration - period - both in person and around the globe."

Is that quote just you, or did you manage to find a real quote that would be worth posting with a link to the relevant page on this thread?

Interested

[scherzkeks]

walm said:

scherzkeks said:

Incorrect. My argument is that the photo on the left is being used to misrepresent turnout at Trump's inauguration.

You still don't get it.
If the attendance was lower, then it can't possibly be misrepresentation!!
That's the whole point.

It's an absolute defence to misrepresentation if you were telling the truth!

The photo circulating in the media does not match the photos from when the speech was given as the mall filled up.

The photo being circulated is being used to give the impression that turnout was poor.

Twist it all you want.

Or make up phony quotes, as you did in your previous post. Whatever helps you cope.

[tommunster10]

When the alt right see a celebrity talking about world issues that are a bit left leaning, it's all 'champagne socialist' and "celebs should stay out of politics"
When a celebrity who is alt right becomes President!! Oh that's OK though...

When the alt right see a left leaning politician / celebrity bang on about 'trickling down the wealth to the poor' and "we are anti establishments!!" it's all "leftie loons"....
When Trump says it it's all "he's a man for the people!!"

Shocking hypocrisy.

When people go on marches agaisnt capitalism and anti establishment demos they are soap dodging right on students.

When Trump gets people to rise agaisnt capitalism and the establishment, he's just being 'real' and a 'hero for the people'.


Its dense.

[p1stonhead]

scherzkeks said:

walm said:

scherzkeks said:

Incorrect. My argument is that the photo on the left is being used to misrepresent turnout at Trump's inauguration.

You still don't get it.
If the attendance was lower, then it can't possibly be misrepresentation!!
That's the whole point.

It's an absolute defence to misrepresentation if you were telling the truth!

The photo circulating in the media does not match the photos from when the speech was given as the mall filled up.

The photo being circulated is being used to give the impression that turnout was poor.

Twist it all you want.

Or make up phony quotes, as you did in your previous post. Whatever helps you cope.

Forget the photos. Comment on this video?

https://www.facebook.com/earthcaminc/videos/101541...

[Blaster72]

turbobloke said:

Is that quote just you, or did you manage to find a real quote that would be worth posting with a link to the relevant page on this thread?

Interested

That is a genuine quote from Spicer, the press secretary. He has no figures to substantiate his claims. It's what Trump would willing call "Fake news"

[roachcoach]

turbobloke said:

roachcoach said:

rscott said:

scherzkeks said:

Incorrect. My argument is that the photo on the left is being used to misrepresent turnout at Trump's inauguration. There are several photos in this thread showing that the mall filled up later in the day. The media is not running those photos as they do not serve the narrative that he is unpopular.

The comparo photo is the photo (two photos) that the media has widely published. The photo on the right is not in question in any way shape or form. Not sure how much clearer it can get.

Scherzkeks - what's your view on this https://www.facebook.com/earthcaminc/videos/101541... . It's webcam images taken by National Parks Service at the time of the inauguration .

Now remember: "This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration - period - both in person and around the globe."

Is that quote just you, or did you manage to find a real quote that would be worth posting with a link to the relevant page on this thread?

Interested

That's courtesy of the White House Press Secretary me old chum.


The whole video is quite amusing, his metro numbers have also been debunked by the metro itself. It's all a bit forced and awkward.

Edited by roachcoach on Monday 23 January 15:00

[scherzkeks]

tommunster10 said:

When the alt right see a celebrity talking about world issues that are a bit left leaning, it's all 'champagne socialist' and "celebs should stay out of politics"
When a celebrity who is alt right becomes President!! Oh that's OK though...

When the alt right see a left leaning politician / celebrity bang on about 'trickling down the wealth to the poor' and "we are anti establishments!!" it's all "leftie loons"....
When Trump says it it's all "he's a man for the people!!"

Shocking hypocrisy.

When people go on marches agaisnt capitalism and anti establishment demos they are soap dodging right on students.

When Trump gets people to rise agaisnt capitalism and the establishment, he's just being 'real' and a 'hero for the people'.


Its dense.

I tend to agree, but the bizarre thing is how the left (of which I am a card carrying member) has shifted to being what it claims to hate.

It has been hard to watch in some ways. I find myself moving toward the left-wing spectrum of libertarianism. The mainstream left and right have outright lost it. The neo-McCarthyism alone should scare anyone off.

[Stickyfinger]

p1stonhead said:

I dont think I posted anything which was polarising - it came from the white house website.
I wasnt trying to predict FACTS in the future, I was asking for opinions on how his policy should be taken and in which context as clearly we have maximum production now but lowest jobs. I was wondering what people thought Trump's ideal was because he would either be doing nothing as production is highest now, or trying to go back to 1923 when jobs were highest. It cant be both unless you ban machinery and bring back the guys with pickaxe's.

You dont think its worth discussing his proposed policies based on facts to date?

Not serious surely?

I do not think ANYBODY on this thread could present anything on "facts" at the moment. It is clear that those presented (as you have just done) will be entirely argumentative and used to support a prejudiced prior position.

[jcremonini]

scherzkeks said:

walm said:

scherzkeks said:

Incorrect. My argument is that the photo on the left is being used to misrepresent turnout at Trump's inauguration.

You still don't get it.
If the attendance was lower, then it can't possibly be misrepresentation!!
That's the whole point.

It's an absolute defence to misrepresentation if you were telling the truth!

The photo circulating in the media does not match the photos from when the speech was given as the mall filled up.

The photo being circulated is being used to give the impression that turnout was poor.

Twist it all you want.

Or make up phony quotes, as you did in your previous post. Whatever helps you cope.

"Impression" ? It was poor. Very poor. No matter how much you try to argue it wasn't. I have yet to see a picture that shows a better turnout than the one "on the left", btw.

What I don't understand is why you cannot just accept that fact. There are several reasons for the poor turnout, no least that most Trump supporters come from states which are much harder to travel to Washington from (whereas Obamas heartland of support was local).

[XM5ER]

p1stonhead said:

XM5ER said:

p1stonhead said:

So your opinion is that when America was 'great' was 6 years ago. Thats fine - Trump hasnt clarified himself I assumed he meant some sort of golden era, not when the iphone 5 came out.

And also jobs were still in the toilet back then so you think Trump is going after and increase in overall production rather than jobs?

Thats fine too but Trump hasnt adressed that either.

Clearly its open to interpretation hence the reason for posting it. Personally I thought he wanted to bring back jobs to the coal industry as this makes more sense than going after and increase in the (presumed) profits of the coal company execs in my mind.

It wasnt a post with an agenda. Its an interesting topic worthy of discussion I thought.

Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 23 January 14:07

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HTH

I literally dont get your point? You think im whinging or upset about something?

No, I'm just taking the piss.

If you want a discussion, don't start by telling me what my opinion is. I have no idea when America was at it's most great, but that's not relevant to the point you were making about coal. With regards to the coal industry, I feel fairly certain that Obama did not enact a lot of his EPA regulations until after his second term was underway otherwise he would have lost a chunk of his blue collar vote in the energy sector. Coal means cheap electricity and steel (ask the Chinese), cheap electricity means cheaper manufacturing (ask the Chinese), cheaper manufacturing means more jobs (ask the Chinese). Perhaps if you look again at what you originally posted and do a little digging and critical thinking, you might actually come to the conclusion that Trump could actually be right about this even if he is wrong about many other things.

[p1stonhead]

Stickyfinger said:

p1stonhead said:

I dont think I posted anything which was polarising - it came from the white house website.
I wasnt trying to predict FACTS in the future, I was asking for opinions on how his policy should be taken and in which context as clearly we have maximum production now but lowest jobs. I was wondering what people thought Trump's ideal was because he would either be doing nothing as production is highest now, or trying to go back to 1923 when jobs were highest. It cant be both unless you ban machinery and bring back the guys with pickaxe's.

You dont think its worth discussing his proposed policies based on facts to date?

Not serious surely?

I do not think ANYBODY on this thread could present anything on "facts" at the moment. It is clear that those presented (as you have just done) will be entirely argumentative and used to support a prejudiced prior position.

No they arent. They are facts. Facts from the US Government. You cant have different versions of facts! Oh wait..... Kellyanne?!