Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
Blib said:
el stovey said:
It wasn't the same thing at all.
Support for Scottish Independence is clearly increasing. You said support had decreased and used a referendum on something different to try and prove it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/...
What's more important are the demographics of YES voters indicating that as time goes on, it's likely that support will increase even more.
That won't work. Demographics change. Those youthful, "yes" voters will get older in turn and will become more 'conservative'(sic0 in their outlook and voting intentions. It was ever thus.Support for Scottish Independence is clearly increasing. You said support had decreased and used a referendum on something different to try and prove it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/...
What's more important are the demographics of YES voters indicating that as time goes on, it's likely that support will increase even more.
Edited by el stovey on Sunday 21st September 18:14
tty kids... like me.otherwise social attitudes would have remained the same since homo sapiens evolved!
Efbe said:
Blib said:
el stovey said:
It wasn't the same thing at all.
Support for Scottish Independence is clearly increasing. You said support had decreased and used a referendum on something different to try and prove it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/...
What's more important are the demographics of YES voters indicating that as time goes on, it's likely that support will increase even more.
That won't work. Demographics change. Those youthful, "yes" voters will get older in turn and will become more 'conservative'(sic0 in their outlook and voting intentions. It was ever thus.Support for Scottish Independence is clearly increasing. You said support had decreased and used a referendum on something different to try and prove it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/...
What's more important are the demographics of YES voters indicating that as time goes on, it's likely that support will increase even more.
Edited by el stovey on Sunday 21st September 18:14
tty kids... like me.otherwise social attitudes would have remained the same since homo sapiens evolved!
///ajd said:
el stovey said:
///ajd said:
It is interesting that when it suits, 1979 is 'last time', yet when the comparison is not positive, it was 'totally different'.
Anyway, El, if you are convinced independence is certain, what should the rUK do about investing strategically in Scotland? Sounds like a poor deal for the rUK when you split and leave with the proceeds of 60m for the benefit of 5m.
Sounds like you think the T26 contract should not go to the Clyde if independence is inevitable, and you only wish ill on the union. What are we all to do?
Quite right. I think it's only a matter of time before Scotland breaks away. I think a Conservative UK government should plan accordingly. I certainly would if I was a Conservative PM. Labour obviously have to concentrate on winning Scotland back and if/when they get in will no doubt do whatever possible to do so.Anyway, El, if you are convinced independence is certain, what should the rUK do about investing strategically in Scotland? Sounds like a poor deal for the rUK when you split and leave with the proceeds of 60m for the benefit of 5m.
Sounds like you think the T26 contract should not go to the Clyde if independence is inevitable, and you only wish ill on the union. What are we all to do?
So rUK should award T26 in rUK, and presumably scale back Scottish renewable subsidies from 30% to per capita 8%.
Perhaps the big three could put that in their 2015 manifestos. If Scotland votes in a nationalist majority again in 2016, steps will be taken to make all Scottish investments fair but tactical and per capita, and not strategic to the possible detriment of the rUK in the case of future split.
technodup said:
s2art said:
Social attitudes may change, but the older you are the more risk averse you are looks like a constant to me.
This. The longer we can drag it out the better. At least until the oil dries up. They had no credible case this time, without oil they'll have no case at all.
s2art said:
Efbe said:
Blib said:
el stovey said:
It wasn't the same thing at all.
Support for Scottish Independence is clearly increasing. You said support had decreased and used a referendum on something different to try and prove it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/...
What's more important are the demographics of YES voters indicating that as time goes on, it's likely that support will increase even more.
That won't work. Demographics change. Those youthful, "yes" voters will get older in turn and will become more 'conservative'(sic0 in their outlook and voting intentions. It was ever thus.Support for Scottish Independence is clearly increasing. You said support had decreased and used a referendum on something different to try and prove it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/...
What's more important are the demographics of YES voters indicating that as time goes on, it's likely that support will increase even more.
Edited by el stovey on Sunday 21st September 18:14
tty kids... like me.otherwise social attitudes would have remained the same since homo sapiens evolved!
technodup said:
his. The longer we can drag it out the better. At least until the oil dries up. They had no credible case this time, without oil they'll have no case at all.
If I were the UK government I would relocate the Trident replacement to any other suitable base outwith Scotland too, how could the nats complain? They wanted rid of it in the first place!
Axionknight said:
technodup said:
his. The longer we can drag it out the better. At least until the oil dries up. They had no credible case this time, without oil they'll have no case at all.
If I were the UK government I would relocate the Trident replacement to any other suitable base outwith Scotland too, how could the nats complain? They wanted rid of it in the first place!bhstewie said:
hstewie said:lamboman100 said:
A quick refresher.
28 of the 32 Scotland wards voted "No".
Respectfully, why do you keep mentioning this as if it means something when it wasn't that sort of election?28 of the 32 Scotland wards voted "No".
Troubleatmill said:
For fk's sake!Is that prick hellbent on destroying Scotland for good?
HenryJM said:
It illustrates quite clearly how it happened. Not just was the result a No, it was a No almost everywhere and, interestingly, at least one of the Yes got the lowest turnouts. It's hard to see any grounds for saying that independence is wanted by the people of Scotland.
To me it's just colours on a map and it seems a dodgy way of interpreting it.The reality is that map could have been 99% "No" by colour but if it was 1% "Yes" and that 1% had a higher population Scotland would have voted for independence.
HenryJM said:
It illustrates quite clearly how it happened. Not just was the result a No, it was a No almost everywhere and, interestingly, at least one of the Yes got the lowest turnouts. It's hard to see any grounds for saying that independence is wanted by the people of Scotland.
The SNP don't care what the people of Scotland wantI thought this would happen
I am so glad I voted NO as these people basically want to turn Scotland into North Korean in kilts
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