The riots - Michael Gove thrashes Harriet Harman

[DieselGriff]

gtdc said:

It's hard though isn't it? If you know by voting UKIP you actually end up further than what you wanted to start with.

No not at all. I knew that by voting UKIP I would not change this Government or the last, what I do know is that for voting for either I would not be voting for what I wanted which by and large is a stronger UK.

By voting UKIP I told UKIP that their policies are, I consider, better than the rest and I'm telling other parties their policies are not as good IMO.

I told my local conservative candidate why before the election and I pointed out after the election that if they had the UKIP vote then they would have turned over a long held Labour majority.

If the Conservatives had the balls to take on the better of the UKIP policies they would not have lost any votes and would have won the votes of tories that went UKIP because the Conservatives were too weak.

[don4l]

ExChrispy Porker said:

and what exactly do you think Mrs Thatcher would do in this situation that would make any difference?

She would have acted with conviction.

Cameron's first speech when he came back from holiday was very soft in tone - almost "hug a hoody". 24 hours later, after reading the press, he gave a completely different speech. He was just telling us what we wanted to hear. No conviction or principles at all.


Don
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[ExChrispy Porker]

gtdc said:

It's a wonderfully pleasing fantasy but totally unachievable after all the Labour introduced laws.

And none of it would have made any difference, when compared with what was actually done.

Police mobilised- done
Army on stand by - done
police tactics changed - done


Thatcher did fk all in the early and mid 80's when riots took place. She certainly did not authorise the use of plastic bullets when I was being petrol bombed. I fail to see what she would have done in the last few days that would have made any difference.
Got very shrill and set a few Tory hearts beating a bit faster perhaps.

[s2art]

ExChrispy Porker said:

And none of it would have made any difference, when compared with what was actually done.

Police mobilised- done
Army on stand by - done
police tactics changed - done


Thatcher did fk all in the early and mid 80's when riots took place. She certainly did not authorise the use of plastic bullets when I was being petrol bombed. I fail to see what she would have done in the last few days that would have made any difference.
Got very shrill and set a few Tory hearts beating a bit faster perhaps.

Perhaps, but the Police did actually cope with the 80's riots. The Met just wasnt hacking it. Were houses/Shops/Factories being torched in the 80's? I dont recall the Police just standing there while shops were being looted then either.

Edited to add. It may not even have been necessary for Maggie to have acted, all those things would have been done a couple of days earlier with ministers such as Tebbit and co in the government.

Edited by s2art on Thursday 11th August 19:22

[Dracoro]

DieselGriff said:

If the Conservatives had the balls to take on the better of the UKIP policies they would not have lost any votes and would have won the votes of tories that went UKIP because the Conservatives were too weak.

The problem is, that for every voter they gain by doing this, the lose one of those from the more middle/left. The same happens to Labour, try to get the votes of the left and you lose the middle ground.

It's the perennial problem for the two main parties. It's about striking that fine balance.

They both lose votes and elections when they swing too far back to "their" side.. The only alternative is LibDem but they need both Labour to go left and Tories to go right at the SAME time. This NEVER happens as when one does swing one way, it's an opportunity to scoop up the middle ground and get elected.

[Crafty_]

Odious little bint.

That is all.

[turbobloke]

Daily Mash character said:

I blame Labour for this. I might be a lifelong party member but our pinup girl is Harriet Harman. It would be easier to knock one out with a cactus strapped to your palm.

[AshVX220]

turbobloke said:

Daily Mash character said:

I blame Labour for this. I might be a lifelong party member but our pinup girl is Harriet Harman. It would be easier to knock one out with a cactus strapped to your palm.

[Gun]

An excellent clip, Harperson is the perfect example of a politician who it only capable of delivering pre-written sound bites, a bit like Minibland.

[RS404]

What was so great about this? What issues were addressed exactly? Gove did a good job of sticking to his angle i.e. if she raises any questions about it being bit bleak for the kids at the moment, call her an apologist and suggest she actively encourages the looting and fire starting.

Of course Harmann is useless, if he couldn't come out looking better than her he'd have to be a complete halfwit. And of course the public sector have wasted our taxes in an obscene and disgusting manner over the last 13 years. But they continue to do so, they effectively close Connexions here (which supported teenagers and tried to find them apprenticeships, training, etc) by making redundant the front line staff yet the management keep their jobs - to manage who?

Questions need to be asked, someone needs to send John Harvey Jones through every county and borough council with a really fking sharp pencil and we've got to create some jobs by supporting the entrepenuers, the private sector. Just shouting down some dopey cow on Newsnight is not going to do the fking job now is it.

[turbobloke]

RS404 said:

Questions need to be asked, someone needs to send John Harvey Jones through every county and borough council with a really fking sharp pencil and we've got to create some jobs by supporting the entrepenuers, the private sector. Just shouting down some dopey cow on Newsnight is not going to do the fking job now is it.

No but it's better than letting the aforementioned dopey cow get away with it on national tv which is what happened soon afterwards as a certain station screened the interview with Gove's contributions edited out. The unbiased beeb strikes again.

[Apache]

turbobloke said:

RS404 said:

Questions need to be asked, someone needs to send John Harvey Jones through every county and borough council with a really fking sharp pencil and we've got to create some jobs by supporting the entrepenuers, the private sector. Just shouting down some dopey cow on Newsnight is not going to do the fking job now is it.

No but it's better than letting the aforementioned dopey cow get away with it on national tv which is what happened soon afterwards as a certain station screened the interview with Gove's contributions edited out. The unbiased beeb strikes again.

I think the feel good factor is about all the mileage it'll get, the average punter doesn't watch such stuff and it really is just background clutter amongst the endless interviews with has beens and z list ministers with no intention or actual power to do anything. As RS, quite rightly said, it's time for some action starting with a PM with the gonads to tell it like it is and take a few political risks........in fact for a showboater like Blair er, Cameron it's an opportunity so missed it's incredible

[RS404]

turbobloke said:

No but it's better than letting the aforementioned dopey cow get away with it on national tv which is what happened soon afterwards as a certain station screened the interview with Gove's contributions edited out. The unbiased beeb strikes again.

Exactly, can't trust the politicians (expenses scandal etc), can't trust the news (NOTW scandal etc), can't trust big business (nasty bankers blah blah), seems there's no integrity to be found anywhere. Surely it's fair enough to raise questions about kids being disillusioned, or anyone else for that matter. Gove just wanted to score cheap points not talk about all the damage done, well before the rioting even started.

[turbobloke]

RS404 said:

turbobloke said:

No but it's better than letting the aforementioned dopey cow get away with it on national tv which is what happened soon afterwards as a certain station screened the interview with Gove's contributions edited out. The unbiased beeb strikes again.

Exactly, can't trust the politicians (expenses scandal etc), can't trust the news (NOTW scandal etc), can't trust big business (nasty bankers blah blah), seems there's no integrity to be found anywhere. Surely it's fair enough to raise questions about kids being disillusioned, or anyone else for that matter. Gove just wanted to score cheap points not talk about all the damage done, well before the rioting even started.

Any cheap points were being scored the other way. Harman trotting out the Red Ken line about cuts and EMA plus related rhetoric was so rehearsed it was an obvious line and one that she repeated, lacking anything else to offer.

Most of the hardcore rioters wouldn't have a clue what cuts are coming and when. As to being disillusioned that attribute is more fitting for law-abiding taxpaying citizens watching the nightly displays of rioting, looting, arson and assaults having bankrolled the benefits of supposedly jobless youth.

Those before the Courts early on included the mugs with jobs who decided to join in after the initial vandalism and looting, the worst perpetrators of that initial phase being long gone.

Overall, Gove was quite right to stick it to Harperson, who was predictable, robotic and wrong.

[Rollcage]

It wasn't a fair battle, but that's not difficult - Gove didn't have to try very hard, did he?

[RS404]

turbobloke said:

Any cheap points were being scored the other way. Harman trotting out the Red Ken line about cuts and EMA plus related rhetoric was so rehearsed it was an obvious line and one that she repeated, lacking anything else to offer.

Most of the rioters wouldn't have a clue what cuts are coming and when. As to being disillusioned that attribute is more fitting for law-abiding taxpaying citizens watching the nightly displays of rioting, looting, arson and assaults having bankrolled the benefits of supposedly jobless youth.

Those before the Courts early on included the mugs with jobs who decided to join in after the initial vandalism and looting, the worst perpetrators of that initial phase being long gone.

Overall, Gove was quite right to stick it to Harperson, who was predictable, robotic and wrong.

Absolutely he was right to give her a hard time, don't get me wrong, I have friends living in Hackney who were terrified and angry. I'm not looking for an argument and I'm concious of getting out of my depth if I do, I'm just a simple working man, but this interview doesn't give me any more faith in this lot making things any better than the last lot.

[turbobloke]

RS404 said:

turbobloke said:

Any cheap points were being scored the other way. Harman trotting out the Red Ken line about cuts and EMA plus related rhetoric was so rehearsed it was an obvious line and one that she repeated, lacking anything else to offer.

Most of the rioters wouldn't have a clue what cuts are coming and when. As to being disillusioned that attribute is more fitting for law-abiding taxpaying citizens watching the nightly displays of rioting, looting, arson and assaults having bankrolled the benefits of supposedly jobless youth.

Those before the Courts early on included the mugs with jobs who decided to join in after the initial vandalism and looting, the worst perpetrators of that initial phase being long gone.

Overall, Gove was quite right to stick it to Harperson, who was predictable, robotic and wrong.

Absolutely he was right to give her a hard time, don't get me wrong, I have friends living in Hackney who were terrified and angry. I'm not looking for an argument and I'm concious of getting out of my depth if I do, I'm just a simple working man, but this interview doesn't give me any more faith in this lot making things any better than the last lot.

It doesn't give me much more faith either, of itself, but there is a crumb of comfort in that Harman got it wrong as her Party did when in office...which doesn't mean than Gove's lot will put it right as opposed to talking more sense.

[mybrainhurts]

While we're at it, let's go back a while and enjoy William Hague giving Harriet Hardman a good slapping...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYUcBBH4TMA&fea...

Hopeless bint...

[Sossige]

mybrainhurts said:

While we're at it, let's go back a while and enjoy William Hague giving Harriet Hardman a good slapping...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYUcBBH4TMA&fea...

Hopeless bint...

Brilliant. She really is completely out of her depth!

[FarleyRusk]

mybrainhurts said:

Michael Gove giving the Harperson a damn' good seeing to...

Deep joy...

http://order-order.com/2011/08/10/gove-vs-harman/

Nice one. He is rather good isn't he?