Cameron - crackdown on booze abuse
Discussion
Issi said:
frosted said:
As a non drinker I am in favour of pricing people out, seriously dislike drunks
That's very public spirited of you.How about my two pints of Fosters on Monday nights after rugby training, would you like them to cost £5.00 each?
Why do these policies always come down to taxing the life out of the industry.
Yes I am biased, I work in the real ale industry.
Look at the pubs (not bars) that serve ale. They are generally cheaper than any bars in the city centre. How then do very few (if not none) require door supervisors and police attendance is effectively none existent.
Bearing in mind some breweries will produce ale at up to 12% abv and the pubs normally sell "real" cider. None of this cider will be below 6%.
The people who frequent these pubs are able to responsibly drink in a social environment and do not cause problems. Why then should these people be punished for the majority of tools who feel the need to drink their own body weight in pissy lager or fruit based drinks for the "lady".
Surely a more targeted approach is required to those who cause trouble or more specifically those who pre drink before going out. That is the problem, that is not social drinking, its drinking to be wasted. Personally I think the 24 cans for a tenner is where the problem is.
Its quality not quantity.
Yes I am biased, I work in the real ale industry.
Look at the pubs (not bars) that serve ale. They are generally cheaper than any bars in the city centre. How then do very few (if not none) require door supervisors and police attendance is effectively none existent.
Bearing in mind some breweries will produce ale at up to 12% abv and the pubs normally sell "real" cider. None of this cider will be below 6%.
The people who frequent these pubs are able to responsibly drink in a social environment and do not cause problems. Why then should these people be punished for the majority of tools who feel the need to drink their own body weight in pissy lager or fruit based drinks for the "lady".
Surely a more targeted approach is required to those who cause trouble or more specifically those who pre drink before going out. That is the problem, that is not social drinking, its drinking to be wasted. Personally I think the 24 cans for a tenner is where the problem is.
Its quality not quantity.
Frosted!
You do not drink and that is fine.
I think the argument is why are you offended by the sensible drinkers. If done in moderation it affects no-one and stimulates the local night time economy.
The w
kers who cause the issues we are discussing need culling.
The argument seems to be you have hobbies that could cause the nhs money. Do you race cars, climb mountains, abseil or participate in any "extreme" sports.
We all pay in and we all expect a 24hr system to deal with that no matter what our hobbies are.
The problem lies with the underclass who pay nothing in and expect a 999 taxi service.
You do not drink and that is fine.
I think the argument is why are you offended by the sensible drinkers. If done in moderation it affects no-one and stimulates the local night time economy.
The w
kers who cause the issues we are discussing need culling.The argument seems to be you have hobbies that could cause the nhs money. Do you race cars, climb mountains, abseil or participate in any "extreme" sports.
We all pay in and we all expect a 24hr system to deal with that no matter what our hobbies are.
The problem lies with the underclass who pay nothing in and expect a 999 taxi service.
tiredcl said:
The argument seems to be you have hobbies that could cause the nhs money. Do you race cars, climb mountains, abseil or participate in any "extreme" sports.
Don't make out the weird and wonderful to be the problem. I'd suggest football, rugby and running "cost" the NHS a fair chunk more than "dangerous" or "extreme" sports.I'm agreeing with you by the way - but more so, if you know what I mean.
This sums things up nicely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrgqLOgx1-s
As per my post on fat taxes, this clearly demonstrates another incompetence by those in charge. I dread to think how they have a hope in hell's chance of something complicated like, you know, economic recovery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrgqLOgx1-s
As per my post on fat taxes, this clearly demonstrates another incompetence by those in charge. I dread to think how they have a hope in hell's chance of something complicated like, you know, economic recovery.
S8.
Sorry to use "extreme" sports. I was assuming (maybe wrongly) that people will not use "normal" sports as an argument. I do not play football, rugby or whatever is popular.
We all pay into the system therefore we are all entitled to use it.
That is us, not the feral underclass. I may be slagged for this (and I am by my liberal girlfriend).
Sorry to use "extreme" sports. I was assuming (maybe wrongly) that people will not use "normal" sports as an argument. I do not play football, rugby or whatever is popular.
We all pay into the system therefore we are all entitled to use it.
That is us, not the feral underclass. I may be slagged for this (and I am by my liberal girlfriend).
I would like to see a tax on all B&Q products to stop people doing DIY on bank holidays.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/loca...
But the tax should only be applied to working classes and below. Middle classes and upper classes do not injure themselves when carrying out DIY.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/loca...
But the tax should only be applied to working classes and below. Middle classes and upper classes do not injure themselves when carrying out DIY.
frosted said:
wiggy001 said:
Can we put a tax on trolling?
Instead of calling me a troll why you don't you tell me how you would adress this problem ? If the problem is the cost on the NHS of these people (and alcoholics) - this is part of a wider decline in social standards and attitudes which will take years to correct, but I believe is basically a result in the decline of social responsibility.
In short - neither of these issues can be solved by raising the price of alcohol. All this will do is affect small business adversely.
I honestly thought you must have been trolling with your point of view as I didn't believe any adult could honestly believe that banning/pricing people away from something that they don't like would be a solution to any issue.
wiggy001 said:
I honestly thought you must have been trolling with your point of view as I didn't believe any adult could honestly believe that banning/pricing people away from something that they don't like would be a solution to any issue.
Apart from the 646 in Westminster, you mean? Oh and the BMA and a bunch of other authoritarian aholes.Darkk said:
Is it possible to exclude "Problems related to alcohol" from the NHS/Police budget?
What I mean is: You got drunk beyond belief, decided to do something "properly" stupid, got hurt, you pay your own hospital bills.
Same thing with injuries due to a fight related to alcohol, and a fee every time the Police has to deal with you/your actions.
Get 3 strikes, and yet, caught drinking again, heavy penalty.
Is this possible?
Yes I'd go with that - IF alcohol was tax free.What I mean is: You got drunk beyond belief, decided to do something "properly" stupid, got hurt, you pay your own hospital bills.
Same thing with injuries due to a fight related to alcohol, and a fee every time the Police has to deal with you/your actions.
Get 3 strikes, and yet, caught drinking again, heavy penalty.
Is this possible?
I think you'll find the tax on alcohol already pays for all of thew above.
As someone else mentioned earlier - this isn't about money. It's about society and common decency. A pisshead will still get drunk if beer was £10 a pint.
Issi said:
That's very public spirited of you.
How about my two pints of Fosters on Monday nights after rugby training, would you like them to cost £5.00 each?
Sadly thats what happens when people take the piss with freedom, make it £10 a pint and sort a sHow about my two pints of Fosters on Monday nights after rugby training, would you like them to cost £5.00 each?
t load of issues out in the UK in one simple move :thumb up:Be thankful this drug is legal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition
Saudi Arabia completely bans the production, importation or consumption of alcohol and imposes strict penalties on those violating the ban, including weeks to months of imprisonment, and possible lashes. Similarly, Kuwait also bans the importation or consumption of alcohol.
Edited by superkartracer on Thursday 16th February 10:05
The government shouldn't be in the job of manipulating culture, and taxing won't do anything.
Our culture of mass consumption, greed, avarice and consumerism is to blame imo. That's not going to be fixed because we all buy into it. We're turkeys who vote for Christmas.
So we have to best deal with the results...Build more prisons and throw them in it!
Our culture of mass consumption, greed, avarice and consumerism is to blame imo. That's not going to be fixed because we all buy into it. We're turkeys who vote for Christmas.
So we have to best deal with the results...Build more prisons and throw them in it!
Halb said:
The government shouldn't be in the job of manipulating culture, and taxing won't do anything.
Our culture of mass consumption, greed, avarice and consumerism is to blame imo. That's not going to be fixed because we all buy into it. We're turkeys who vote for Christmas.
So we have to best deal with the results...Build more prisons and throw them in it!
It's got cock all to do with manipulating culture, it's all about raising capital through more inappropriate tax.....it also has the added bonus of fooling the gullible into thinking they are actually doing something other than fiddling their expensesOur culture of mass consumption, greed, avarice and consumerism is to blame imo. That's not going to be fixed because we all buy into it. We're turkeys who vote for Christmas.
So we have to best deal with the results...Build more prisons and throw them in it!
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