Miserable tube drivers for Olympics
Discussion
egor110 said:
So if the tube drivers have it so good why don't we see bankers flooding over to be tube drivers?
Re bob crowe , how very blue collar a phrase you use.
Just try getting a job as a trainee tube driver. If jobs were available, there would be tens of thousands queuing up applying for them. It's a closed shop, so you'll only get in if you are 'family'.Re bob crowe , how very blue collar a phrase you use.
I've worked as a landscape architect on the Olympic Park development ever since the early days in 2007 and utilise a diverse range of skills on a daily basis learned through university and practical experience. I don't earn anywhere near what a tube driver gets as a basic salary, even after 11 years service with an international consultant and like many others, I've recently had a 20% pay cut. I don't sulk about it - I'm glad I still have work unlike a number of my close colleagues.
As the tube becomes more automated - which it will, the drivers will become an increasingly endangered breed...
58warren said:
Just try getting a job as a trainee tube driver. If jobs were available, there would be tens of thousands queuing up applying for them. It's a closed shop, so you'll only get in if you are 'family'.
I've worked as a landscape architect on the Olympic Park development ever since the early days in 2007 and utilise a diverse range of skills on a daily basis learned through university and practical experience - I don't earn anywhere near what a tube driver gets as a basic salary, even after 11 years service with an international consultant and like many others, I've recently had a 20% pay cut. I don't sulk about it - I'm glad I still have work unlike a number of my close colleagues.
As the tube becomes more automated - which it will, the drivers will become an increasingly endangered breed...
Or you could have applied as a station assistant not 3 weeks ago and after 6 months you could apply to be a driver.I've worked as a landscape architect on the Olympic Park development ever since the early days in 2007 and utilise a diverse range of skills on a daily basis learned through university and practical experience - I don't earn anywhere near what a tube driver gets as a basic salary, even after 11 years service with an international consultant and like many others, I've recently had a 20% pay cut. I don't sulk about it - I'm glad I still have work unlike a number of my close colleagues.
As the tube becomes more automated - which it will, the drivers will become an increasingly endangered breed...
It is in no way a 'closed shop' only for friends and family, when a recriutment drive is on (one has just closed) any one is free to apply and join. And guess what - you don't even have to join a union once you're in!
valiant1 said:
Crossflow Kid said:
So has anyone got any real insight in to how Stratford Sports Day is actually affecting TfL operations and driver hours or is this the usual "Anything to do with public transport in London is unionist Left wing militancy and they should all be shot" PH rant?
Well put it like this, The Jubilee line alone is getting nearly 100 extra drivers to cope with the increased passenger load not to mention the other key lines (central and district). Stations are going to be swamped with extra staff (300 just recruited) and office staff will be handed a HiVi and a load of maps and will be mucking in.There are huge disruptions to the normal working day (3 peak times instead of the normal 2 for instance) and basically staffs' normal contract (max hours worked,restdays, annual leave,etc) is all going out the window for the duration of the games hence the 'compensation'
In short, TfL are working outside the agreed contract for most of their workers, yet as usual the largely uninformed PH view is that because it's the Tube and "anyone could do that", they must all be workshy lefties working a ten hour week for £85k pa, after all it was on TV on Monday?
How very modern and open-minded.
Maybe the collected experts of PH need to see the massive strain the reduced engineering hours alone are placing on the network?
valiant1 said:
It is in no way a 'closed shop' only for friends and family, when a recriutment drive is on (one has just closed) any one is free to apply and join. And guess what - you don't even have to join a union once you're in!
I applied with Tube Lines (who own and run the JNP but DON'T provide station staff or drivers - that's LU) just before Christmas and got a job which I'm now loving. Union rep has said hello and gave me a leaflet with Ricky Tomlinson on the front but left it at that. Oh hang on, I tell a lie, she did make the brews a bit later so asked if I wanted sugar in my coffee. Got the same coffee as the union members too. And the same milk. From the same fridge. P'raps they're just trying to soften me up.
Not met any family yet either, and am very unlikely to do so since only my brother is still of working age and he's in aviation.
And guess what? Rostered to work right through Stratford Sports Day. No mention of any bonus, none expected.
PH: Stereotyping matters.
Apparently there's 18,000 members of that union who are in line for the £850 bonus.
Now 28,000 members of Unite are angling for a £500+ bonus but seeing the above agreement no doubt they will be asking for more.
£30M of our taxes given to a bunch of people so that they DON'T publicly embarrass the country by mucking up an international event. Too late - I'm embarrassed already. Bunch of workshy tossers.
They are being given this money for doing their normal job. Any flexibility and overtime will be covered by the existing (generous) reimbursement.
Simple blackmail, threatening to cause trouble if they didn't get paid off. Saw Bob Crow last night on the box, hideous oaf that he is.
Now 28,000 members of Unite are angling for a £500+ bonus but seeing the above agreement no doubt they will be asking for more.
£30M of our taxes given to a bunch of people so that they DON'T publicly embarrass the country by mucking up an international event. Too late - I'm embarrassed already. Bunch of workshy tossers.
They are being given this money for doing their normal job. Any flexibility and overtime will be covered by the existing (generous) reimbursement.
Simple blackmail, threatening to cause trouble if they didn't get paid off. Saw Bob Crow last night on the box, hideous oaf that he is.
egor110 said:
Not really some people value being with there family, they might be quite happy with a flat 40 hour week and have no interest in the overtime.
alright fine, recruit more tube drivers from outside of TfL oh no wait a minute, you aren't alloweed to do that due to Union Regulations
I'm all for train drivers getting a bonus after they've put the hours in above and beyond the call of duty, but they rarely seem to, and the whole system tries to hold London to account for their greed on a frequent basis.
and people dare to bring up bankers being greedy- at least bankers produce billions of benefit to the economy....
Willy Nilly said:
The_Burg said:
Not part of TfL but work on a support contract to them. We will be required to work 12 hour shifts including nights to cover any issues.
While you're working 12 hour days, I'll be working 14 hours, 7 days a week and might not have a weekend to myself for 4 months. Much like every other f
king summer. I'll be interested to understand what you do?
Wills2 said:
So you'll be working 98 hours every week for 4 months? Are you running the country?
I'll be interested to understand what you do?
When i started my first business i worked over 100hrs per week for well over a year with 3 days break when i closed the business down. I'll be interested to understand what you do?
its why self employed people get so f
ked off with socialists telling them that they are "profiting" from the backs of others.......Crossflow Kid said:
And you know this how? Have you been driving Tube trains for a while then?
ahh so as a frequent customer i'm not allowed to make a judgement on those i buy services from? that's pretty much whats wrong with Tube Drivers- they seem to think that for some reason we OWE them a living- actually we don't. Either your customers appreciate what you do, or they fk off. In the tube's point of view, we don't have any other options so we can't take our trade elsewhere- hence this idea what tube drivers are somehow "special". You're not.
PhilboSE said:
Apparently there's 18,000 members of that union who are in line for the £850 bonus.
Now 28,000 members of Unite are angling for a £500+ bonus but seeing the above agreement no doubt they will be asking for more.
£30M of our taxes given to a bunch of people so that they DON'T publicly embarrass the country by mucking up an international event. Too late - I'm embarrassed already. Bunch of workshy tossers.
They are being given this money for doing their normal job. Any flexibility and overtime will be covered by the existing (generous) reimbursement.
Simple blackmail, threatening to cause trouble if they didn't get paid off. Saw Bob Crow last night on the box, hideous oaf that he is.
Your wrong, if you read this thread somebody who works in the industry has said whilst the olympics are on there bosses want rip up there normal working agreements, in return for this there offering all staff not just union members this bonus.Now 28,000 members of Unite are angling for a £500+ bonus but seeing the above agreement no doubt they will be asking for more.
£30M of our taxes given to a bunch of people so that they DON'T publicly embarrass the country by mucking up an international event. Too late - I'm embarrassed already. Bunch of workshy tossers.
They are being given this money for doing their normal job. Any flexibility and overtime will be covered by the existing (generous) reimbursement.
Simple blackmail, threatening to cause trouble if they didn't get paid off. Saw Bob Crow last night on the box, hideous oaf that he is.
How do you conclude there work shy tossers? If they sign up to do a 40 hour week then that's what they've signed up to.
I can't understand the amount of people getting there knickers in a twist over something they can't change.
PugwasHDJ80 said:
When i started my first business i worked over 100hrs per week for well over a year with 3 days break when i closed the business down.
its why self employed people get so fked off with socialists telling them that they are "profiting" from the backs of others.......
Actually thinking about it one of my friends works 7 days a week running his own business doing about 80 hours a week, we call him "the busy fool"its why self employed people get so f
ked off with socialists telling them that they are "profiting" from the backs of others.......This is the thing though if you go self employed it's your choice, you choose to be your own boss others are happy to work for a company.
Personally i don't think i'd have the self discipline to be self employed i need to know i'm working 6 days a week and i start at 7am but i'm not bitter for those are self employed.
Personally i don't think i'd have the self discipline to be self employed i need to know i'm working 6 days a week and i start at 7am but i'm not bitter for those are self employed.
PugwasHDJ80 said:
alright fine, recruit more tube drivers from outside of TfL
oh no wait a minute, you aren't alloweed to do that due to Union Regulations
LUL tried that a while back and it was an unmitigated disaster and cost a fortune.oh no wait a minute, you aren't alloweed to do that due to Union Regulations
They like to recruit from within as it provides a career path for employees, they know the employee's work record and the employee is used to the culture and work patterns.
When these direct recruits started, all of a sudden shift work wasn't for them and the conditions weren't suitable but they only looked at the pay and thought it's a easy number - most have now left.
People on here have apparentely no clue on how much influence a union has. LUL controls ALL it's recruitment procedures. The union has absolutely NO control or influence in this as much as USDAW has over Sainburys recruitment process for example.
The idea that a prospective driver has to sit down and be approved by the unions before you start is laughable.
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