Anyone care to bet where the criminals will be from ?

[Iggle Piggle]

Dav_s said:

So very true - we Sikhs have been aware of this kind of stuff going on for years, as muslims have been targetting our girls/young women for decades.

Bottom line is this: many muslim men see the females of other religions as fair game, there purely to be used and abused for their own pleasure. Non-muslims are worthless in their eyes, even though they may not be religious themselves, they still have this instilled in them from a young age.

I'm so relieved that finally the wider British public is seeing what the British Sikh community has been aware of and fighting against since the 70's and 80's.

What is it about the Muslim faith that seems to cause such controvosy when religions like your own seem to blend in very seemlessly?

[anonymous-user]

We should close the doors to immigration from now and use the breathing space to weed out all the aforementioned types and criminal element that should not be here, fire them all back to whence they came and start with a clean slate.(using very strict controls )

[vonuber]

Dav_s said:

Bottom line is this: many muslim men see the females of other religions as fair game, there purely to be used and abused for their own pleasure. Non-muslims are worthless in their eyes, even though they may not be religious themselves, they still have this instilled in them from a young age.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/25/Pakistani-hindu-court-forced-conversion

Interesting.

[Dav_s]

Iggle Piggle said:

What is it about the Muslim faith that seems to cause such controvosy when religions like your own seem to blend in very seemlessly?

We're taught from an early age to respect other faiths and cultures, and that God, and goodness, is in all.

They're taught that non-muslims are "kafirs" (infidels), and are dirty and destined to burn in hell.

[carmonk]

Iggle Piggle said:

Dav_s said:

So very true - we Sikhs have been aware of this kind of stuff going on for years, as muslims have been targetting our girls/young women for decades.

Bottom line is this: many muslim men see the females of other religions as fair game, there purely to be used and abused for their own pleasure. Non-muslims are worthless in their eyes, even though they may not be religious themselves, they still have this instilled in them from a young age.

I'm so relieved that finally the wider British public is seeing what the British Sikh community has been aware of and fighting against since the 70's and 80's.

What is it about the Muslim faith that seems to cause such controvosy when religions like your own seem to blend in very seemlessly?

Islam sees non-Muslims as fit only for servitude or death and women as objects that only have worth if possessed by a good Muslim man. Islam is essentially a religion of enforced conversion and conquest and the latter applies to women as much as it does to the kafir.

[Iggle Piggle]

carmonk said:

Iggle Piggle said:

Dav_s said:

So very true - we Sikhs have been aware of this kind of stuff going on for years, as muslims have been targetting our girls/young women for decades.

Bottom line is this: many muslim men see the females of other religions as fair game, there purely to be used and abused for their own pleasure. Non-muslims are worthless in their eyes, even though they may not be religious themselves, they still have this instilled in them from a young age.

I'm so relieved that finally the wider British public is seeing what the British Sikh community has been aware of and fighting against since the 70's and 80's.

What is it about the Muslim faith that seems to cause such controvosy when religions like your own seem to blend in very seemlessly?

Islam sees non-Muslims as fit only for servitude or death and women as objects that only have worth if possessed by a good Muslim man. Islam is essentially a religion of enforced conversion and conquest and the latter applies to women as much as it does to the kafir.

Also how old was Aisha when they consumated the marriage?

[baz1985]

It is the broader socio-economic background that illuminates possible causation, not merely faith. They’re not the off-the-shelf 2.i Red-brick Russell Group types.

[mybrainhurts]

Thought they weren't allowed pork swords...?

[Pesty]

Iggle Piggle said:

Also how old was Aisha when they consumated the marriage?

9 IIRC and all muslims should live as close as they can like their favourite troglodyte.

[Mojooo]

Dav_s said:

We're taught from an early age to respect other faiths and cultures, and that God, and goodness, is in all.

They're taught that non-muslims are "kafirs" (infidels), and are dirty and destined to burn in hell.

Presumably Sikhs are taught to be drug dealers? I only say coz 3 of my sikh mates from school are currently banged up for said activity!

[carmonk]

Mojooo said:

Dav_s said:

We're taught from an early age to respect other faiths and cultures, and that God, and goodness, is in all.

They're taught that non-muslims are "kafirs" (infidels), and are dirty and destined to burn in hell.

Presumably Sikhs are taught to be drug dealers? I only say coz 3 of my sikh mates from school are currently banged up for said activity!

I don't think there's anything in the Sikh holy book that advocates drug dealing, although I must admit I haven't read it.

[Raja]

Dav_s said:

Marquis Rex said:

Sorry, but that's politically correct non sense. It's thinking like this that ends up with tarring all asians - Muslim, Hindu, Sikh with the same brush.

So very true - we Sikhs have been aware of this kind of stuff going on for years, as muslims have been targetting our girls/young women for decades.

Bottom line is this: many muslim men see the females of other religions as fair game, there purely to be used and abused for their own pleasure. Non-muslims are worthless in their eyes, even though they may not be religious themselves, they still have this instilled in them from a young age.

I'm so relieved that finally the wider British public is seeing what the British Sikh community has been aware of and fighting against since the 70's and 80's.

You really believe that faith is the underlying theme here?

I remember meeting some Sikh young men who felt that they needed to have their daggers draw the blood of a Muslim as a rite of passage.

Indeed I remember that their objections to 'their women' having relationships with Muslim boys was mainly driven by a desire to protect the purity of their heritage.

So easy to making sweeping generalisations, especially when you have an agenda.

[heppers75]

Raja said:

Dav_s said:

Marquis Rex said:

Sorry, but that's politically correct non sense. It's thinking like this that ends up with tarring all asians - Muslim, Hindu, Sikh with the same brush.

So very true - we Sikhs have been aware of this kind of stuff going on for years, as muslims have been targetting our girls/young women for decades.

Bottom line is this: many muslim men see the females of other religions as fair game, there purely to be used and abused for their own pleasure. Non-muslims are worthless in their eyes, even though they may not be religious themselves, they still have this instilled in them from a young age.

I'm so relieved that finally the wider British public is seeing what the British Sikh community has been aware of and fighting against since the 70's and 80's.

You really believe that faith is the underlying theme here?

I remember meeting some Sikh young men who felt that they needed to have their daggers draw the blood of a Muslim as a rite of passage.

Indeed I remember that their objections to 'their women' having relationships with Muslim boys was mainly driven by a desire to protect the purity of their heritage.

So easy to making sweeping generalisations, especially when you have an agenda.

I think when you dilute an issue such as this with purist words like faith I think you are perhaps doing more to detract from the reality than our Sikh friend.

It is a problem, it is endemic and it is born out of the beliefs these folks hold which are at their core the same as those taught to the other x billion of the same denomination.

I do not have an agenda other than acknowledging the truth no matter how unpalatable and distasteful that might prove and I notice you argue not the points made but the inference you draw from them. Which is in and of itself very telling I would surmise.

[Dav_s]

Mojooo said:

Presumably Sikhs are taught to be drug dealers? I only say coz 3 of my sikh mates from school are currently banged up for said activity!

Oh behave! Lol

Every religion has bad apples, but the point here is that over and over again we keep hearing about groups of muslim men grooming young girls and then exploiting them.

[Mojooo]

Dav_s said:

Oh behave! Lol

Every religion has bad apples, but the point here is that over and over again we keep hearing about groups of muslim men grooming young girls and then exploiting them.

Indeed,

I personally don't think their faith played a *significant* factor in it. I think if you are going to shag 11 year olds you probably have a lot of other issues to go with it. And I would suggest there is probably some inherent issue there that would apply regardless of faith.

The fact that Pakistani/muslim men group together and do it is no suprise - quite often when gangs of white men do it they are often all white.

[Mojooo]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I don't really give a toss is every padeo out there is Pakistani - it makes no difference to my life.

That said, I only know of 3 cases of Pakistani paedo rings, this one ,the one we talked about last month and one before that.

I don't doubt there is an issue - but I thought we were trying to find out *why* not *if*

[carmonk]

Mojooo said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I don't really give a toss is every padeo out there is Pakistani - it makes no difference to my life.

That said, I only know of 3 cases of Pakistani paedo rings, this one ,the one we talked about last month and one before that.

I don't doubt there is an issue - but I thought we were trying to find out *why* not *if*

Those three cases are the tip of the iceberg, watch and see. Furthermore, does it not start alarm bells ringing when you realise three of the largest recent paedo rings in the UK originate exclusively from 1.5% of the population?

[Mojooo]

Yes, I have only heard of 3 in the past few years - off the top of my head of course. I don't doubt there may be more occasions but I haven't heard of 10 I would guess.

I don't think we necessarily disagree on the main points anyway.

[dandarez]

Iggle Piggle said:

I find it shocking that they call Oxford "afluent". I lived there for many years and whilst it has its nicer areas they tend to be out in the sticks. It is nothing more than a festering dump that is trading on its history. In fact it is hard to live anywhere in oxford or the surrounding area that is not right next door to an estate that houses the sort of scum that belong in Liverpool.

I lived in Summer town in a lovely house on Bainton road that was probably the nicest of places. Then I lived in the manor house in little Milton, again a nice place but 2/3rds of the housing was actually social. Then Dorchester, oh lovely Dorchester which is spitting distance away from Berrinsfield and Overy. Now Overy was nice except its a hamlet purely made of council houses, fortunately it was next to a sewerage farm so you could smell the miscriants a mile off before they entered the village.

I think you'll find it's 'affluent'!
Affluent people can spell, you know, like Berinsfield, miscreants, and it's Summertown (one word).

Anyway, don't you live in the 'Night Garden'?

[muppets_mate]

dandarez said:

Iggle Piggle said:

I find it shocking that they call Oxford "afluent". I lived there for many years and whilst it has its nicer areas they tend to be out in the sticks. It is nothing more than a festering dump that is trading on its history. In fact it is hard to live anywhere in oxford or the surrounding area that is not right next door to an estate that houses the sort of scum that belong in Liverpool.

I lived in Summer town in a lovely house on Bainton road that was probably the nicest of places. Then I lived in the manor house in little Milton, again a nice place but 2/3rds of the housing was actually social. Then Dorchester, oh lovely Dorchester which is spitting distance away from Berrinsfield and Overy. Now Overy was nice except its a hamlet purely made of council houses, fortunately it was next to a sewerage farm so you could smell the miscriants a mile off before they entered the village.

I think you'll find it's 'affluent'!
Affluent people can spell, you know, like Berinsfield, miscreants, and it's Summertown (one word).

Anyway, don't you live in the 'Night Garden'?

Or maybe effluent in this context?!