Tories pressing the self-destruct button?
Discussion
Housing is one area that could, very easily, be altered to be fairer and cheaper.
There are several HA homes near me, most are very nice 3/4 bed semis in a very desirable village, one is occupied by a couple whose kids flew the nest years ago, he has his own business and buys a new Audi convertible every year, holidays etc. Another with a similar home lives with his girlfriend in her home and allows his two teenage sons to live in in the HA one, he has his own business and enjoys regular cruises on the most expensive ships. Across the road a family moved in to another yet seem to appear for the odd weekend only, a local lass nips in to clean once a week. Another lives in a house which is under her fathers name, he actually lives in the pub that he manages. All of these people are taking the piss and draining the resources that are supposed to support the needy, a review of all occupants resources and incomes should put a stop to this
There are several HA homes near me, most are very nice 3/4 bed semis in a very desirable village, one is occupied by a couple whose kids flew the nest years ago, he has his own business and buys a new Audi convertible every year, holidays etc. Another with a similar home lives with his girlfriend in her home and allows his two teenage sons to live in in the HA one, he has his own business and enjoys regular cruises on the most expensive ships. Across the road a family moved in to another yet seem to appear for the odd weekend only, a local lass nips in to clean once a week. Another lives in a house which is under her fathers name, he actually lives in the pub that he manages. All of these people are taking the piss and draining the resources that are supposed to support the needy, a review of all occupants resources and incomes should put a stop to this
markcoznottz said:
To put the icing on the cake they got a 5.2% increase last year. Nice work if you can get it. I thought the Tories were going to clamp down on spongers?, or was that hot air. Still people are off work with bad backs and the like, sort these 
s out, who signs them off?
trouble is, now there are way too many working in the public sector, and way too many out of work claiming benefits - any government knows that addressing this to some kind of economic equalibrium (affordable) will lose the next election - the MSM will also rip into them, without a doubt.s out, who signs them off? We are too fragmented now, so I do not know if things will ever be put right. It is strange that we are told that we must pay more taxes to 'help tackle climate change', and use emotive words like 'think of our children', and yet the same people are willingly selling our children's future into financial slavery by not addressing real world problems we have now - like not enough tax reciepts from the private sector to pay for the public sector and welfare, which is why we're still borrowing billions a year more than 5 years ago. It's crazy!
martin84 said:
I've been unemployed. That £50 a week they give you doesn't go far to be honest. You seem to think the unemployed have this jet setters life of luxury, clearly you've never lived in the real world or get your information from the ranting Daily-Mailers who are barely halfway along that ape-to-man evolutionary chart.
You seem to have fundamentally misunderstood evolution. Apes are not less evolved than humans, we both have had the same amount of evolution since our last common ancestor.Humans are not evolved from modern apes, any more than you are evolved from your cousin.
NorthernBoy said:
martin84 said:
I've been unemployed. That £50 a week they give you doesn't go far to be honest. You seem to think the unemployed have this jet setters life of luxury, clearly you've never lived in the real world or get your information from the ranting Daily-Mailers who are barely halfway along that ape-to-man evolutionary chart.
You seem to have fundamentally misunderstood evolution. Apes are not less evolved than humans, we both have had the same amount of evolution since our last common ancestor.Humans are not evolved from modern apes, any more than you are evolved from your cousin.
and then they wheel out some even more spurious 'evidence' (they love their evidence) that was prepared with an agenda in mind.
you can't have your cake and eat it boys...try and debase anyone's opinion that counters your own by associating them with a middle of the road newspaper whilst simultaneously backing up your own contentions with academic theory that has more agenda than every tabloid put together.
as others have said, the facts are pretty clear, we were living on borrowed money in this country for a hell of a long time, and for a while, various factors compounded to hide this issue. now it's there for us all to see.
Topic should really be changed, at least in terms of where this thread is heading, bringing back some balance and facts to the debate the ONS reports in May :
The unemployment rate was 8.2 per cent of the economically active population for January-March 2012, down 0.2 on the quarter. There were 2.63 million unemployed people, down 45,000 on the quarter.
The inactivity rate for those aged from 16 to 64 was 23.0 per cent for January-March 2012, down 0.1 on the quarter. There were 9.25 million economically inactive people aged from 16 to 64, down 35,000 on the quarter.
src: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-st...
Equally there are the following interesting facts :
In 2010 352,000 households in the UK had never worked
Excluding students leaves 269,000 households in 2010 that had never worked
Across the UK in 2010, Inner London had the highest percentage of households that had never worked at 6.5 per cent.
Which while not a large number in broad terms agains the reported Economically Inactive does point to a very worrying trend :
What I find interesting is the explosion of Economically Inactive, even with gaming on stats aside by the journalistic sensationalistic rags out there, we need to come back to reality. Any economy run on the basis that Expenses greater than Income being sustainable is beyond belief, in real terms this needs tackled robustly without reliance on growth to back into expense reduction to mask the effects the only option is to cut outgoing expenditure. The benefits area is out of control, but is not the only area requiring deep restructuring.
To Illustrate, simply used as this Guardian chart (disclaimer : not a Guardian reader) easily highlights how screwed up our current situation is :
In Summary :
While we have the current political setup, irrespective of which parties hold the control, in this country disconnected to the basic economic management principles that even my 10 year old daughter can work to then we will not be able to correct the balance. Anyway, we all know this needs fixed, how is another debate with many other threads running so back on topic.
There needs to be tighter fiscal control, this is the new "war" footing, the politicians that get this and actually mobilise to defeat the enemy within will do more for my, our, children's future than the current media-circus we have.
The current charade of our political circus goats the hell out of me, society has a large part to play in this but lacks leadership and direction.
The unemployment rate was 8.2 per cent of the economically active population for January-March 2012, down 0.2 on the quarter. There were 2.63 million unemployed people, down 45,000 on the quarter.
The inactivity rate for those aged from 16 to 64 was 23.0 per cent for January-March 2012, down 0.1 on the quarter. There were 9.25 million economically inactive people aged from 16 to 64, down 35,000 on the quarter.
src: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-st...
Equally there are the following interesting facts :
In 2010 352,000 households in the UK had never worked
Excluding students leaves 269,000 households in 2010 that had never worked
Across the UK in 2010, Inner London had the highest percentage of households that had never worked at 6.5 per cent.
Which while not a large number in broad terms agains the reported Economically Inactive does point to a very worrying trend :
What I find interesting is the explosion of Economically Inactive, even with gaming on stats aside by the journalistic sensationalistic rags out there, we need to come back to reality. Any economy run on the basis that Expenses greater than Income being sustainable is beyond belief, in real terms this needs tackled robustly without reliance on growth to back into expense reduction to mask the effects the only option is to cut outgoing expenditure. The benefits area is out of control, but is not the only area requiring deep restructuring.
To Illustrate, simply used as this Guardian chart (disclaimer : not a Guardian reader) easily highlights how screwed up our current situation is :
In Summary :
While we have the current political setup, irrespective of which parties hold the control, in this country disconnected to the basic economic management principles that even my 10 year old daughter can work to then we will not be able to correct the balance. Anyway, we all know this needs fixed, how is another debate with many other threads running so back on topic.
There needs to be tighter fiscal control, this is the new "war" footing, the politicians that get this and actually mobilise to defeat the enemy within will do more for my, our, children's future than the current media-circus we have.
The current charade of our political circus goats the hell out of me, society has a large part to play in this but lacks leadership and direction.
Apache said:
Housing is one area that could, very easily, be altered to be fairer and cheaper.
There are several HA homes near me, most are very nice 3/4 bed semis in a very desirable village, one is occupied by a couple whose kids flew the nest years ago, he has his own business and buys a new Audi convertible every year, holidays etc. Another with a similar home lives with his girlfriend in her home and allows his two teenage sons to live in in the HA one, he has his own business and enjoys regular cruises on the most expensive ships. Across the road a family moved in to another yet seem to appear for the odd weekend only, a local lass nips in to clean once a week. Another lives in a house which is under her fathers name, he actually lives in the pub that he manages. All of these people are taking the piss and draining the resources that are supposed to support the needy, a review of all occupants resources and incomes should put a stop to this
Housing is indeed another joke area. I will relate the story of a guy who I knew via work and his dealing with the HA. He sold up here and spent £200K on a villa in Spain for him and his family to live in. They basically didn't get on very well in Spain and half the family wanted to return to the UK while the others wanted to stay. Not wanting to spilt the family up they all returned from Spain and rented a home privately and husband and wife got jobs along with one of the two kids.There are several HA homes near me, most are very nice 3/4 bed semis in a very desirable village, one is occupied by a couple whose kids flew the nest years ago, he has his own business and buys a new Audi convertible every year, holidays etc. Another with a similar home lives with his girlfriend in her home and allows his two teenage sons to live in in the HA one, he has his own business and enjoys regular cruises on the most expensive ships. Across the road a family moved in to another yet seem to appear for the odd weekend only, a local lass nips in to clean once a week. Another lives in a house which is under her fathers name, he actually lives in the pub that he manages. All of these people are taking the piss and draining the resources that are supposed to support the needy, a review of all occupants resources and incomes should put a stop to this
Second kid is in a wheelchair and had just left school. Not liking the idea of paying £750 a month to rent a home, he goes to the Council and puts them on the HA waiting list and pushes the fact his son is in a wheelchair so they go to the top of the list. For a while he doesn't get anything and the Council tell him their is a massive shortage of homes suitable for a person in a wheelchair. He gets pissed and writes to the local MP and before long a brand new home on a nice new estate is allocated to them for silly cheap money despite 3 of them in good jobs.
Now the Council just took his word that he had nothing and owned nothing when he forgot to mention his Spanish villa. Bad enough you might think, but after a year, his son in the wheelchair gets loved-up with someone and decides he wants out and into a place of their own , so goes tot he Council and of course they find him and his girlfriend a home pronto because he is in a wheelchair. The rest of the family don't get moved out of their adapted home they moaned so much about having to have and said is wasn't good enough when told of the shortage of adapted homes for disabled, they are still there on cheap rent and the latest plan is for the husband and wife to retire to Spain and pass the 4 bed home onto the daughter to live in.
The husband doesn't see anything wrong in this, his attitude sums up the whole benifit and free hosuing system nicely - if someone is silly enough to offer it to you, take it.
Apache said:
Housing is one area that could, very easily, be altered to be fairer and cheaper.
There are several HA homes near me, most are very nice 3/4 bed semis in a very desirable village, one is occupied by a couple whose kids flew the nest years ago, he has his own business and buys a new Audi convertible every year, holidays etc. Another with a similar home lives with his girlfriend in her home and allows his two teenage sons to live in in the HA one, he has his own business and enjoys regular cruises on the most expensive ships. Across the road a family moved in to another yet seem to appear for the odd weekend only, a local lass nips in to clean once a week. Another lives in a house which is under her fathers name, he actually lives in the pub that he manages. All of these people are taking the piss and draining the resources that are supposed to support the needy, a review of all occupants resources and incomes should put a stop to this
A friend of mine runs over 300 properties in London, built up over 40 years. There are several HA homes near me, most are very nice 3/4 bed semis in a very desirable village, one is occupied by a couple whose kids flew the nest years ago, he has his own business and buys a new Audi convertible every year, holidays etc. Another with a similar home lives with his girlfriend in her home and allows his two teenage sons to live in in the HA one, he has his own business and enjoys regular cruises on the most expensive ships. Across the road a family moved in to another yet seem to appear for the odd weekend only, a local lass nips in to clean once a week. Another lives in a house which is under her fathers name, he actually lives in the pub that he manages. All of these people are taking the piss and draining the resources that are supposed to support the needy, a review of all occupants resources and incomes should put a stop to this
The stories he tells are shocking. The abuse of the system is epidemic and endemic.
He gets amazing yields by buying the turdest flat in an area but is able to rent it out at the peak rent for the area. The LAs define the market!!!!!!!
Vast numbers of properties are given to families who then fake a break up where the wife is 'aggressively' thrown out with the kids. She is given another home. The happy couple then decide which one to live in and which one to sub let.
Tennents sell the white goods and furniture which the landlord then replaces and bills the LA for.
The housing bill could be practically halved by weeding out the thieves and forcing LAs to negotiate with landlords.
The stupidity is that we have hundreds of thousands of landlords who would have absolutely no choice but to accept new and aggressive terms from LAs.
The home for life concept has to go. As does right to buy. Rent has to increase towards full market value and then above as a household income rises to encourage the successful to move into the private sector.
Remove all payments for children as this will begin to keep household sizes down.
People who damage property are de-homed and ultimately forced into state family dorms.
Problem families blight asset values and social outlooks. To protect the many they must be extracted from their homes and placed in a state run family dorm.
When we have over 500k itinerant immigrant workers in the UK as a minimum there is absolutely no arguement that there is not enough work. The simple problem is that there is no need for people to work.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Sunday 17th June 11:35
shocks said:
The current charade of our political circus goats the hell out of me, society has a large part to play in this but lacks leadership and direction.
it doesn't lack leadership or direction, the manipulation of the current system put in by modern political parties shows it has both; disingenuous leadership and misguided direction, but society has these.society lacks self respect and motivation.
it has inherited a truculent ability to hide facts behind lots of procedures.
shocks said:
Topic should really be changed, at least in terms of where this thread is heading, bringing back some balance and facts to the debate the ONS reports in May :
The unemployment rate was 8.2 per cent of the economically active population for January-March 2012, down 0.2 on the quarter. There were 2.63 million unemployed people, down 45,000 on the quarter.
The inactivity rate for those aged from 16 to 64 was 23.0 per cent for January-March 2012, down 0.1 on the quarter. There were 9.25 million economically inactive people aged from 16 to 64, down 35,000 on the quarter.
src: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-st...
Equally there are the following interesting facts :
In 2010 352,000 households in the UK had never worked
Excluding students leaves 269,000 households in 2010 that had never worked
Across the UK in 2010, Inner London had the highest percentage of households that had never worked at 6.5 per cent.
Which while not a large number in broad terms agains the reported Economically Inactive does point to a very worrying trend :
What I find interesting is the explosion of Economically Inactive, even with gaming on stats aside by the journalistic sensationalistic rags out there, we need to come back to reality. Any economy run on the basis that Expenses greater than Income being sustainable is beyond belief, in real terms this needs tackled robustly without reliance on growth to back into expense reduction to mask the effects the only option is to cut outgoing expenditure. The benefits area is out of control, but is not the only area requiring deep restructuring.
To Illustrate, simply used as this Guardian chart (disclaimer : not a Guardian reader) easily highlights how screwed up our current situation is :
In Summary :
While we have the current political setup, irrespective of which parties hold the control, in this country disconnected to the basic economic management principles that even my 10 year old daughter can work to then we will not be able to correct the balance. Anyway, we all know this needs fixed, how is another debate with many other threads running so back on topic.
There needs to be tighter fiscal control, this is the new "war" footing, the politicians that get this and actually mobilise to defeat the enemy within will do more for my, our, children's future than the current media-circus we have.
The current charade of our political circus goats the hell out of me, society has a large part to play in this but lacks leadership and direction.
Apache said:The unemployment rate was 8.2 per cent of the economically active population for January-March 2012, down 0.2 on the quarter. There were 2.63 million unemployed people, down 45,000 on the quarter.
The inactivity rate for those aged from 16 to 64 was 23.0 per cent for January-March 2012, down 0.1 on the quarter. There were 9.25 million economically inactive people aged from 16 to 64, down 35,000 on the quarter.
src: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-st...
Equally there are the following interesting facts :
In 2010 352,000 households in the UK had never worked
Excluding students leaves 269,000 households in 2010 that had never worked
Across the UK in 2010, Inner London had the highest percentage of households that had never worked at 6.5 per cent.
Which while not a large number in broad terms agains the reported Economically Inactive does point to a very worrying trend :
What I find interesting is the explosion of Economically Inactive, even with gaming on stats aside by the journalistic sensationalistic rags out there, we need to come back to reality. Any economy run on the basis that Expenses greater than Income being sustainable is beyond belief, in real terms this needs tackled robustly without reliance on growth to back into expense reduction to mask the effects the only option is to cut outgoing expenditure. The benefits area is out of control, but is not the only area requiring deep restructuring.
To Illustrate, simply used as this Guardian chart (disclaimer : not a Guardian reader) easily highlights how screwed up our current situation is :
In Summary :
While we have the current political setup, irrespective of which parties hold the control, in this country disconnected to the basic economic management principles that even my 10 year old daughter can work to then we will not be able to correct the balance. Anyway, we all know this needs fixed, how is another debate with many other threads running so back on topic.
There needs to be tighter fiscal control, this is the new "war" footing, the politicians that get this and actually mobilise to defeat the enemy within will do more for my, our, children's future than the current media-circus we have.
The current charade of our political circus goats the hell out of me, society has a large part to play in this but lacks leadership and direction.
Housing is one area that could, very easily, be altered to be fairer and cheaper.
There are several HA homes near me, most are very nice 3/4 bed semis in a very desirable village, one is occupied by a couple whose kids flew the nest years ago, he has his own business and buys a new Audi convertible every year, holidays etc. Another with a similar home lives with his girlfriend in her home and allows his two teenage sons to live in in the HA one, he has his own business and enjoys regular cruises on the most expensive ships. Across the road a family moved in to another yet seem to appear for the odd weekend only, a local lass nips in to clean once a week. Another lives in a house which is under her fathers name, he actually lives in the pub that he manages. All of these people are taking the piss and draining the resources that are supposed to support the needy, a review of all occupants resources and incomes should put a stop to this
Housing is indeed another joke area. I will relate the story of a guy who I knew via work and his dealing with the HA. He sold up here and spent £200K on a villa in Spain for him and his family to live in. They basically didn't get on very well in Spain and half the family wanted to return to the UK while the others wanted to stay. Not wanting to spilt the family up they all returned from Spain and rented a home privately and husband and wife got jobs along with one of the two kids.
Second kid is in a wheelchair and had just left school. Not liking the idea of paying £750 a month to rent a home, he goes to the Council and puts them on the HA waiting list and pushes the fact his son is in a wheelchair so they go to the top of the list. For a while he doesn't get anything and the Council tell him their is a massive shortage of homes suitable for a person in a wheelchair. He gets pissed and writes to the local MP and before long a brand new home on a nice new estate is allocated to them for silly cheap money despite 3 of them in good jobs.
Now the Council just took his word that he had nothing and owned nothing when he forgot to mention his Spanish villa. Bad enough you might think, but after a year, his son in the wheelchair gets loved-up with someone and decides he wants out and into a place of their own , so goes tot he Council and of course they find him and his girlfriend a home pronto because he is in a wheelchair. The rest of the family don't get moved out of their adapted home they moaned so much about having to have and said is wasn't good enough when told of the shortage of adapted homes for disabled, they are still there on cheap rent and the latest plan is for the husband and wife to retire to Spain and pass the 4 bed home onto the daughter to live in.
The husband doesn't see anything wrong in this, his attitude sums up the whole benifit and free hosuing system nicely - if someone is silly enough to offer it to you, take it.
My thanks to Apache and shocks who have presented interesting anecdotal evidence and considerable detail into the argument.
The fervour of the defenders of the Benefit Society that the UK has become, worry's me. The intensity of their belief that an individual choosing to not bother with working and scrounging permanently from the UK taxpayer has an absolute right to do so is seriously worrying.
I believe that every individual on the UK has a duty to earn their own living. No individual has a right to opt out of the need to earn a living and scrounge off the Benefit's system.
It is the extent of the fiddling that worries me and the use of education and intelligence to maximise the benefits obtained, with clever form filling and neatly omitting the unpalatable truth of property ownership, deliberately undeclared, as in the case quoted above, that I think identifies the seriousness of the problem, of the Benefits Society the UK has become.
I have just one question for those seeking to justify the Benefits Society continuing. How are they going to pay for it?
The UK overall budget is NOT in balance. There is a desperate need to cut public expenditure. The Benefits Society cost within the UK reached epidemic proportions long ago. It is unaffordable and completely unrealistic.
So just one question, please. Look at the pie chart supplied kindly by others above and tell me, is this affordable?
I know it is not and we either change the Benefits Society or the country will join the defaulters already sinking within the EU. We cannot afford this.
heppers75 said:
There is another interesting dynamic now from a political standpoint, that is there is now so many of this kind of person being supported by the state in their entirety that they now represent a huge voting block and to curtail them would almost be political suicide.
This ^^ is why we need to change the morale compass of society outlook, political will and establish a fundamental change if our desire is to sustain the future for our children. Hell I'd even advocate the removal of voting rights for those in the Economically Inactive category, or those abusing the "system" of benefits to neutralise such political malaise.
If my business ran in such a manner I'd be staring at a P45 before long but not before having added to the unemployment ranks many more people due to my inaction in addressing the basic of Income greater than Expenses. Yes it's that simple in the real world. Adding in the piss-boiler, the folks impacted myself included, would not be "ineligible" for state assistance owing to asset ownership, redundancy payments and liquidity on hand. But that is the system.
Don't blame the player, fix the game.
heppers75 said:
There is another interesting dynamic now from a political standpoint, that is there is now so many of this kind of person being supported by the state in their entirety that they now represent a huge voting block and to curtail them would almost be political suicide.
From my experience these people can't be arsed to vote and others would see it as Cameron actually doing something positive to reduce the benefits burdenheppers75 said:
There is another interesting dynamic now from a political standpoint, that is there is now so many of this kind of person being supported by the state in their entirety that they now represent a huge voting block and to curtail them would almost be political suicide.
I don't see the Tory Party getting back in, not because of Leveson or LOL texts and that stuff, more because it's going to take the full term to get some kinda order from the the current situation.If Dave does just one thing of note in his 5 years, it will be to just change the whole ethic towards actually working and stopping the benefits culture. Basically, the country needs to hit a huge reset button to stop the rot. He won't get back in by doing so, it might just be the greatest thing he could do for the country though.
jaedba2604 said:
iphonedyou said:
jaedba2604 said:
Steffan, you're wasting your time on here. before long the usual suspects will be all over this thread quoting marxian academics and left wing think tank conclusions.
it is as simple as you say, this country cannot sustain its infrastructure AND support long term dependant claimants, unfortunately, there are adequate people in number who think we should just keep it up, unaware that the national debt is at a fairly critical point. these are quite possibly the same people who are grumbling that £50 a week is inadequate to support them in attending job interviews.
any economy, micro or macro, requires prudence built in. our government cannot keep borrowing and borrowing against a debt in the hope the good times will return, they probably won't, as we face stiff competition from countries whose denizens are prepared to work fking hard. so it can keep borrowing and promising public sector workers generous pensions, the long term unemployed an adequate amount to sustain their lifestyles without moving from their sofa much. or it can tighten the purse strings and build a buffer into the uk economy so we don't end up like other eu countries.
unfortuntely the reason why £50 isn't enough to attend job interviews is the same reason why people think the government should keep spending. if i lost my job tomorrow i have enough saved in the bank to pay my own way to interviews. i say this notwithstanding individuals' personal situations.
the fundamentals of socialism are a redistribution of the means of production. seems somewhere along the 20th century it was decided they were a redistribution of the rewards of production.
Your last statement is very succinctly put. Made me think!it is as simple as you say, this country cannot sustain its infrastructure AND support long term dependant claimants, unfortunately, there are adequate people in number who think we should just keep it up, unaware that the national debt is at a fairly critical point. these are quite possibly the same people who are grumbling that £50 a week is inadequate to support them in attending job interviews.
any economy, micro or macro, requires prudence built in. our government cannot keep borrowing and borrowing against a debt in the hope the good times will return, they probably won't, as we face stiff competition from countries whose denizens are prepared to work f
king hard. so it can keep borrowing and promising public sector workers generous pensions, the long term unemployed an adequate amount to sustain their lifestyles without moving from their sofa much. or it can tighten the purse strings and build a buffer into the uk economy so we don't end up like other eu countries.unfortuntely the reason why £50 isn't enough to attend job interviews is the same reason why people think the government should keep spending. if i lost my job tomorrow i have enough saved in the bank to pay my own way to interviews. i say this notwithstanding individuals' personal situations.
the fundamentals of socialism are a redistribution of the means of production. seems somewhere along the 20th century it was decided they were a redistribution of the rewards of production.
Edited by jaedba2604 on Sunday 17th June 10:22
JOBS pure and simple.Mojocvh said:
Indeed, why don't you actually read what people are trying to tell you. JOBS pure and simple.
But 'real' jobs, as in making a net contribution to the financial state of the country, or 'pretend' jobs, that exist by state (read tax from the private sector and borrowing) subsidy alone? JOBS pure and simple.Apache said:
Housing is one area that could, very easily, be altered to be fairer and cheaper.
There are several HA homes near me, most are very nice 3/4 bed semis in a very desirable village, one is occupied by a couple whose kids flew the nest years ago, he has his own business and buys a new Audi convertible every year, holidays etc. Another with a similar home lives with his girlfriend in her home and allows his two teenage sons to live in in the HA one, he has his own business and enjoys regular cruises on the most expensive ships. Across the road a family moved in to another yet seem to appear for the odd weekend only, a local lass nips in to clean once a week. Another lives in a house which is under her fathers name, he actually lives in the pub that he manages. All of these people are taking the piss and draining the resources that are supposed to support the needy, a review of all occupants resources and incomes should put a stop to this
Shop the ******,having been to the "edge, I wouldn't hesitate. There are several HA homes near me, most are very nice 3/4 bed semis in a very desirable village, one is occupied by a couple whose kids flew the nest years ago, he has his own business and buys a new Audi convertible every year, holidays etc. Another with a similar home lives with his girlfriend in her home and allows his two teenage sons to live in in the HA one, he has his own business and enjoys regular cruises on the most expensive ships. Across the road a family moved in to another yet seem to appear for the odd weekend only, a local lass nips in to clean once a week. Another lives in a house which is under her fathers name, he actually lives in the pub that he manages. All of these people are taking the piss and draining the resources that are supposed to support the needy, a review of all occupants resources and incomes should put a stop to this
Question.
How does someone with a disabled badge manage to cut their grass, maintain their gardens, lop branches from their trees and generally "get about"??
Mojocvh said:
Apache said:
Housing is one area that could, very easily, be altered to be fairer and cheaper.
There are several HA homes near me, most are very nice 3/4 bed semis in a very desirable village, one is occupied by a couple whose kids flew the nest years ago, he has his own business and buys a new Audi convertible every year, holidays etc. Another with a similar home lives with his girlfriend in her home and allows his two teenage sons to live in in the HA one, he has his own business and enjoys regular cruises on the most expensive ships. Across the road a family moved in to another yet seem to appear for the odd weekend only, a local lass nips in to clean once a week. Another lives in a house which is under her fathers name, he actually lives in the pub that he manages. All of these people are taking the piss and draining the resources that are supposed to support the needy, a review of all occupants resources and incomes should put a stop to this
Shop the ******,having been to the "edge, I wouldn't hesitate. There are several HA homes near me, most are very nice 3/4 bed semis in a very desirable village, one is occupied by a couple whose kids flew the nest years ago, he has his own business and buys a new Audi convertible every year, holidays etc. Another with a similar home lives with his girlfriend in her home and allows his two teenage sons to live in in the HA one, he has his own business and enjoys regular cruises on the most expensive ships. Across the road a family moved in to another yet seem to appear for the odd weekend only, a local lass nips in to clean once a week. Another lives in a house which is under her fathers name, he actually lives in the pub that he manages. All of these people are taking the piss and draining the resources that are supposed to support the needy, a review of all occupants resources and incomes should put a stop to this
Apache said:
heppers75 said:
There is another interesting dynamic now from a political standpoint, that is there is now so many of this kind of person being supported by the state in their entirety that they now represent a huge voting block and to curtail them would almost be political suicide.
From my experience these people can't be arsed to vote and others would see it as Cameron actually doing something positive to reduce the benefits burdenThen you heap on top of that group the public sector workers who will again vote for the promise of staying on the gravy train then for any party to curtail both groups which is sadly what is needed then any party that does will be gone and they know it, ergo they don't.
Mojocvh said:
Apache said:
Housing is one area that could, very easily, be altered to be fairer and cheaper.
There are several HA homes near me, most are very nice 3/4 bed semis in a very desirable village, one is occupied by a couple whose kids flew the nest years ago, he has his own business and buys a new Audi convertible every year, holidays etc. Another with a similar home lives with his girlfriend in her home and allows his two teenage sons to live in in the HA one, he has his own business and enjoys regular cruises on the most expensive ships. Across the road a family moved in to another yet seem to appear for the odd weekend only, a local lass nips in to clean once a week. Another lives in a house which is under her fathers name, he actually lives in the pub that he manages. All of these people are taking the piss and draining the resources that are supposed to support the needy, a review of all occupants resources and incomes should put a stop to this
Shop the ******,having been to the "edge, I wouldn't hesitate. There are several HA homes near me, most are very nice 3/4 bed semis in a very desirable village, one is occupied by a couple whose kids flew the nest years ago, he has his own business and buys a new Audi convertible every year, holidays etc. Another with a similar home lives with his girlfriend in her home and allows his two teenage sons to live in in the HA one, he has his own business and enjoys regular cruises on the most expensive ships. Across the road a family moved in to another yet seem to appear for the odd weekend only, a local lass nips in to clean once a week. Another lives in a house which is under her fathers name, he actually lives in the pub that he manages. All of these people are taking the piss and draining the resources that are supposed to support the needy, a review of all occupants resources and incomes should put a stop to this
Question.
How does someone with a disabled badge manage to cut their grass, maintain their gardens, lop branches from their trees and generally "get about"??
It is this structured deceit that really concerns me. This is not a few scam merchants fiddling this is the effect of whole swathes of society adopting a dishonest approach to structuring their lives to reap all the available benefits they can scrounge. It has to stop, or the UK will founder.
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