The PistonHeads Budget

[martin84]

Alex said:

The North needs to learn to stand on its own two feet. And I say that as a born-and-bred Yorkshireman (now living in Surrey).

When the country is set up to suck all the money towards London and the South East, places like Yorkshire need help or they'll cease to exist. Interesting to note you're no longer in Yorkshire, helping it stand on its own two feet

[hornet]

I know Osborne has mentioned infrastructure bonds before now. Given construction is cited as a big reason for the GDP slump, they would seem like a reasonable idea? Not a magic bullet by any means, but not the craziest idea in the world given half our elevated motorways seem to be falling down all of a sudden. I'll even dare to use the word "green" and suggest much more investment in things like a joinded up nationwide recycling system, waste to power plants, bio-refineries and electric vehicle recharging networks, especially in big cities - a sort of "Boris Bike+" scheme if you will.

[anonymous-user]

we need to invest in infrastructure. to do thqt we need to cut expenditure. to do that we just cap public sector pension payments, including the retired, at level with the basic state pension. double pensions are more than enough.

[PugwasHDJ80]

Alex said:

Actually. Yes.

yep straight away.

it used to frustrate me intensely as a small business owner that roughly 25% of my takings were going straight to the Tax man in VAT and NICers.

with that 25% i would have given my staff a 20% payrise, employed 10% more staff, and given myself about 10% more. Everybody would have won including the government and the population at large.

[otolith]

Alex said:

The North needs to learn to stand on its own two feet. And I say that as a born-and-bred Yorkshireman (now living in Surrey).

A born and bred Lancastrian (now living in Wiltshire) agrees with you.

(And the sucking of money is in the opposite direction - it's talent that the South East sucks in, due to a lack of opportunity elsewhere. A self-perpetuating cycle that won't be fixed by people in the North sitting around moaning about Thatcher, nor by those in the South East scoffing at anything that isn't on their doorstep.)

[tim2100]

Reduce Euro Spending
Reduce foreign Aid

In North set up Nuclear & Gas power which must belong to UK companies, creating vast employment and investment
Tax breaks in R&D, Engineering, Manufacturing and technology.

Simplify Income Tax to a simple 20%

Invest in telecommunications Infrastructure.

Change road investment so that roads are built properly instead of the pot holed crap we have now.

Reduce Londoncentric emphasis.

[crankedup]

toppstuff said:

crankedup said:

Replace the Chancellor with somebody who has a clue would be a good place to start. Slow down the cuts and activate some growth policies. Might, just might take us forward rather than go backwards as last two years have shown, IMPO.

You are Ed Balls AICMFP.

Nah, couldn't survive on his income ;

[Jasandjules]

martin84 said:

Alex said:

I'm guessing: Growth.

So...slash VAT...slash taxes = instant growth?

Riiiiiight.

Yup.

Along with investment from overseas I suspect.

[crankedup]

Jackleman said:

crankedup said:

Replace the Chancellor with somebody who has a clue would be a good place to start. Slow down the cuts and activate some growth policies. Might, just might take us forward rather than go backwards as last two years have shown, IMPO.

The economy is still growing and has been, it is just the rate of growth that has slowed.

One of the big reasons for this is the Euro crisis which is caused by countries with far to much debt, are you suggesting we join these countries in building our debt to even more unsustainable levels?

All depends on where the growth money comes from. Banks and the big Corporations are sitting on multi billions to afraid to start spending or loaning. This needs to be freed up. Growth = jobs = income = spending = tax revenue increase. Just need to work out the details now.

[eccles]

toppstuff said:

Steffan said:

. Who would not want to work with Vince Cable on business? The man is a treasure.

I have quite enjoyed some of your posts here Steffan , but this one has me worried.

I hope you are being ironic. But I don't think you are.

Vince Cable's ascendency is completely inexplicable to me. His so called "sage insight " at the time of the start of the financial crises were just the reheated words of others. I don't think he has uttered a word that is original.

A pointless politician IMO.

You claim they are others words,but at least he spoke out. All the other politicians (on all sides) were too busy riding the gravy train to speak out.

[Ali G]

turbobloke said:

4. Cut corporation tax further than planned, 22% next year, 20% the year after, receipts may well increase and investment/relocations likewise

Why not Cut corporation tax to 0%?

Some reasons for doing so..

Increased dividends for those making profit (recipients taxed on income tax rates)
Increased PAT for companies - able to recruit more (employees taxed on income tax rates + NI)
Attract more companies to UK - win, win win!
We are now 'Growing the Economy!' and making more dosh for the UK too..

Would need to do the maffs

[Steffan]

toppstuff said:

Steffan said:

. Who would not want to work with Vince Cable on business? The man is a treasure.

I have quite enjoyed some of your posts here Steffan , but this one has me worried.

I hope you are being ironic. But I don't think you are.

Vince Cable's ascendency is completely inexplicable to me. His so called "sage insight " at the time of the start of the financial crises were just the reheated words of others. I don't think he has uttered a word that is original.

A pointless politician IMO.

I do seem to interest some on PH and then depart from their view of the future which is all part of debate IMO. Everyone has different ideas and events can suddenly change all preconceptions.

Interestingly (or not depending on your view) my suggestion on the strengths of Vince Cable has been made by others in the Beeb.

See: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18987491

I do think his star is in the ascendancy but as Mr Harold Wilson said in the 1960s, a week in politics can be a very long time.

I think Nick Clegg is transparently out of his depth. I think his wife is a real powerhouse but not in Politics sadly. Nick Clegg is which is unfortunate: he would be much better at home whilst she earns the corn.

I will put my mind to a structured economic proposal. I would not hold your breath. It can be a long job. And not very productive at that.

[turbobloke]

Steffan said:

toppstuff said:

Steffan said:

. Who would not want to work with Vince Cable on business? The man is a treasure.

I have quite enjoyed some of your posts here Steffan , but this one has me worried.

I hope you are being ironic. But I don't think you are.

Vince Cable's ascendency is completely inexplicable to me. His so called "sage insight " at the time of the start of the financial crises were just the reheated words of others. I don't think he has uttered a word that is original.

A pointless politician IMO.

I think Nick Clegg is transparently out of his depth. I think his wife is a real powerhouse but not in Politics sadly.

There are other considered opinions that say the same about Cable. I would guess they won't con-vince you

Unravelling Cable

[Steffan]

turbobloke said:

Steffan said:

toppstuff said:

Steffan said:

. Who would not want to work with Vince Cable on business? The man is a treasure.

I have quite enjoyed some of your posts here Steffan , but this one has me worried.

I hope you are being ironic. But I don't think you are.

Vince Cable's ascendency is completely inexplicable to me. His so called "sage insight " at the time of the start of the financial crises were just the reheated words of others. I don't think he has uttered a word that is original.

A pointless politician IMO.

I think Nick Clegg is transparently out of his depth. I think his wife is a real powerhouse but not in Politics sadly.

There are other considered opinions that say the same about Cable. I would guess they won't con-vince you

Unravelling Cable

I am not sure my opinions are at all considered. Interesting link I will read it and see. In a while. As I do. Thank you.

[powerstroke]

martin84 said:

trashbat said:

Hey OP, can you change your post to, 'give us your right wing ideas regardless of whether they relate to growth'?

I was thinking that myself. Some of the ideas here are pure fantasy. Getting out of the EU, repealing climate change acts etc. Never going to happen. Maybe we should stick to working within realistic boundaries?

Yes aggree this is because the mongs will vote labour and the clots will vote tory, and they are in the majority so its diferent alternating isipid dross goverments for ever...we will be discusing the same topics in 10 + years time..

[vonuber]

A special tax for people who quote, link, read or otherwise endorse The Daily Mail.

[powerstroke]

A champagne socialist tax !!! on all the pontificatiting humbug hipocrite
windbag leftys... that would pay down the deficit quickly

[powerstroke]

vonuber said:

A special tax for people who quote, link, read or otherwise endorse The Daily Mail.

Yes but only if you also include mirror and guardian readers ....

[toppstuff]

Steffan said:

Interestingly (or not depending on your view) my suggestion on the strengths of Vince Cable has been made by others in the Beeb.

Yeah, funny that. It was the BBC that created the pedestal and then proceeded to place him on it. Cause for deep cynicism for just that reason as far as I am concerned. The Beeb even tried to make him a "man of the people" and boost his popularity by making him dance for the public for goodness sake. Not metaphorically, but quite literally !! I think the BBC regard Vince as their man. Which is not a good thing, I may add.

[toppstuff]

eccles said:

You claim they are others words,but at least he spoke out. All the other politicians (on all sides) were too busy riding the gravy train to speak out.

Cable was a fringe politician inside a fringe party. It was his job to be as contrary as possible. Prior to 2007 he had achieved very little. After all, his deep intellect was not exactly shining a light of insight on the world beforehand was it?

Nah, his rise was opportunistic politics, pure and simple. Peston is on the telly, the BBC are desperate to find some talking heads, so Vince steps up. Prior to this he was doing a great job at being invisible.

And his angles were totally unoriginal. Economists such as Roger Bootle had been raising the issues that Cable started recycling long before he had taken off his ballroom dancing shoes and was told he was going to be on the telly...