israel at it again .....
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audidoody said:
Take a five-minute break to the anti-Israel rhetoric to ask yourself:
If it WAS Israel Air Force planes they would have to overfly Egyptian and/or Saudi air space. How did they do this without being detected by state-of-the-art air defence systems? Unless: (a) they weren't IAF planes (b) had permission to overfly the area.
Now - back to the ranting.
Is Egypts stuff that state of the art? I would have thought it was at best mostly 1970/80's era Soviet designed stuff.If it WAS Israel Air Force planes they would have to overfly Egyptian and/or Saudi air space. How did they do this without being detected by state-of-the-art air defence systems? Unless: (a) they weren't IAF planes (b) had permission to overfly the area.
Now - back to the ranting.
Edited by audidoody on Friday 26th October 15:26
audidoody said:
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If it WAS Israel Air Force planes they would have to overfly Egyptian and/or Saudi air space. How did they do this without being detected by state-of-the-art air defence systems? Unless: (a) they weren't IAF planes (b) had permission to overfly the area.
The Saudi and Israeli governments are friends, after a fashion. They have a powerful common enemy in Iran. Saudi because of the Sunni/Shia split, Israel because they don't wasn't to become a glass car park.If it WAS Israel Air Force planes they would have to overfly Egyptian and/or Saudi air space. How did they do this without being detected by state-of-the-art air defence systems? Unless: (a) they weren't IAF planes (b) had permission to overfly the area.
Edited by audidoody on Friday 26th October 15:26
Serendipity72 said:
audidoody said:
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If it WAS Israel Air Force planes they would have to overfly Egyptian and/or Saudi air space. How did they do this without being detected by state-of-the-art air defence systems? Unless: (a) they weren't IAF planes (b) had permission to overfly the area.
The Saudi and Israeli governments are friends, after a fashion. They have a powerful common enemy in Iran. Saudi because of the Sunni/Shia split, Israel because they don't wasn't to become a glass car park.If it WAS Israel Air Force planes they would have to overfly Egyptian and/or Saudi air space. How did they do this without being detected by state-of-the-art air defence systems? Unless: (a) they weren't IAF planes (b) had permission to overfly the area.
Edited by audidoody on Friday 26th October 15:26
Serendipity72 said:
The Saudi and Israeli governments are friends, after a fashion. They have a powerful common enemy in Iran. Saudi because of the Sunni/Shia split, Israel because they don't wasn't to become a glass car park.
Who knows what goes on behind closed doors? Golda Meir was having fireside chats with King Abdullah of Jordan in 1948 at the same time the Arab Legion and Haganah were shooting seven shades of sh*t out of each other in Jerusalem. So anything is possible. There's pretty much little doubt that luminous radioactive dinosaurs would be back roaming the wasteland that Iran would become if Israel even so much as sniffed a nuke was headed in its direction. Israelis have all climbed Mount Meggido (AKA Har Meggido , AKA Armageddon) at some time or another.
kuzushi said:
Muntu said:
menguin said:
Are people seriously suggesting that Israel has done no wrong since its inception?
What about the Bedouin people?
They have been pretty well behaved tooWhat about the Bedouin people?
I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting that Israel has done no wrong since it's inception, but I do know that they have higher IQs than anyone else (Ashkenazic Jews have an average IQ of one standard deviation above the mean, or an average IQ of 115), so perhaps we should give them a bit of credit/respect for that, and trust them to know what they're doing.
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000 or 20% of the world population = 4 Nobel Prizes.
The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000 or about 0.02% of the world population = over 130 Nobel Prizes.
U never cease to amaze me with ur nonsense
This guy starts talking about ratios of nobel prizes to population
and how much smarter jews are
U really are a clown
Where do u copy and paste all this information from
vonuber said:
Question I've always wondered about - can you be Jewish through religion or only through birth?
One's Mum has to be Jewish apparently. But you can convert apparently. Although why one would want to convert from one heap of God nonsense to another is beyond me. Best not get involved in the first place.
audidoody said:
Take a five-minute break to the anti-Israel rhetoric to ask yourself:
If it WAS Israel Air Force planes they would have to overfly Egyptian and/or Saudi air space. How did they do this without being detected by state-of-the-art air defence systems? Unless: (a) they weren't IAF planes (b) had permission to overfly the area.
Now - back to the ranting.
They wouldn't HAVE to overfly anybody's airspace.If it WAS Israel Air Force planes they would have to overfly Egyptian and/or Saudi air space. How did they do this without being detected by state-of-the-art air defence systems? Unless: (a) they weren't IAF planes (b) had permission to overfly the area.
Now - back to the ranting.
Edited by audidoody on Friday 26th October 15:26
Eilat -Gulf of Aqaba-Red Sea takes you to Sudan.
DJRC said:
Israel is our ally due to geo-political reality and business links.
Complete rubbish.The amount of business we do with the Arabs far outweighs the business we do with Israel. If the Gulf States ever got their act together and started threatening embargoes we'd drop Israel quicker than a bowl of kitty litter.
Countdown said:
DJRC said:
Israel is our ally due to geo-political reality and business links.
Complete rubbish.The amount of business we do with the Arabs far outweighs the business we do with Israel. If the Gulf States ever got their act together and started threatening embargoes we'd drop Israel quicker than a bowl of kitty litter.
Countdown said:
Muntu said:
Alternatively, we would go across there and kick their arses yet again, in order to make them behave
Of course we would. Just look at how are last two attempst have fared.Still, a vast improvement, from the West's point of view, over the regime changes they contrive to manage 'themselves'.
Muntu said:
Iraq looks OK and functional.
It's OK as long as we don't p155 Iran off too much And until Syria calms down. The proxy war between the Sunnis and the Shias is currently taking place in Syria, but you probably knew that Muntu said:
Afghanistan probably would have benefiited from a Clintonian strategey in hindsight.
Still, a vast improvement, from the West's point of view, over the regime changes they contrive to manage 'themselves'.
Several hundred British soldiers killed, billions of pounds wasted,and we'll be lucky if the current regime lasts six months after ISAF leave. Yes, a "vast" improvement.Still, a vast improvement, from the West's point of view, over the regime changes they contrive to manage 'themselves'.
Countdown said:
Muntu said:
Iraq looks OK and functional.
It's OK as long as we don't p155 Iran off too much And until Syria calms down. The proxy war between the Sunnis and the Shias is currently taking place in Syria, but you probably knew that The fact that the islamotards are squabbling amongst themselves doesn't really give me any sleepless nights, as long as they do it over there.
Countdown said:
Muntu said:
Afghanistan probably would have benefiited from a Clintonian strategey in hindsight.
Still, a vast improvement, from the West's point of view, over the regime changes they contrive to manage 'themselves'.
Several hundred British soldiers killed, billions of pounds wasted,and we'll be lucky if the current regime lasts six months after ISAF leave. Yes, a "vast" improvement.Still, a vast improvement, from the West's point of view, over the regime changes they contrive to manage 'themselves'.
Perhaps a solution would be that some of the 'moderates' we hear so much about could form a coalition and deploy some form of peacekeeping force there if required?
It might be good PR actually, you know, 'The Religion of Peace' and all that..
CBR JGWRR said:
kuzushi said:
hesnotthemessiah said:
I have no axe to grind either way but look at it another way. They're (give or take) 3m Jews/Israelis surrounded by (give or take) 300m Muslims/Arabs.....every single one of them wants their annihilation.
The Palestinians (et al) don't want peace, that's the last thing they want. Every deal that's ever been brokered its never enough, every concession given is never enough. They don't want Israel to exist period.
There are how many muslim Arab nations? About 20.The Palestinians (et al) don't want peace, that's the last thing they want. Every deal that's ever been brokered its never enough, every concession given is never enough. They don't want Israel to exist period.
There are how many Jewish nations? Just one.
The Palestinians could easily be absorbed into any of the many Arab nations that exist, but the Arab league refuses to allow them to become citizens of any other Arab country purely so that they can remain a thorn in Israel's side and keep the pressure up on Israel.
I love how all you hear about from the usual suspects is how horrible things are for the Palestinians and how they stand with them.
Will they let them into their countries? No.
Meanwhile the US gives more aid per capita to Palestinians than anyone else on earth. And the US sends more foreign aid to them than the entire Arab league combined, ditto the EU.
Muntu said:
The fact that the islamotards are squabbling amongst themselves doesn't really give me any sleepless nights, as long as they do it over there.
Muntu said:
Perhaps a solution would be that some of the 'moderates' we hear so much about could form a coalition and deploy some form of peacekeeping force there if required?
It might be good PR actually, you know, 'The Religion of Peace' and all that..
You've kind of wandered off into your own fantasy world somehow. My posts were in your response to you suggesting we'd be able to simply "go over there and kick some ass if those pesky arabs got uppity". Easy to say (especially by armchair warriors). Much harder to do.It might be good PR actually, you know, 'The Religion of Peace' and all that..
Countdown said:
You've kind of wandered off into your own fantasy world somehow. My posts were in your response to you suggesting we'd be able to simply "go over there and kick some ass if those pesky arabs got uppity". Easy to say (especially by armchair warriors). Much harder to do.
I was answering your (off topic) points. I think we have achieved our objectives in both places. Someting we could do again if required - no armchair warriorism required, just a statement of fact.It seems that when we leave, the locals tend to revert to kind, hence the peacekeepers train of thought.
HTH
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