Hmmmm... not good....Stolen airliners in Libya...
Discussion
BlackLabel said:
How much damage could you cause to the world's economy if you just forced all commercial planes to be grounded for say 24 hours? You would not even need a target. Just take to the skies and fly in random directions all over the globe. Keep a couple back in a hanger somewhere to keep folks guessing. Governments rush to shut down airspace and you've then pretty much distrupted the lives of thousands of people and cost them a shed load of money in the process.
Or have I been watching too much tv?
No, that is a plausible scenarion. Or have I been watching too much tv?
mouseymousey said:
Can't believe we haven't heard more about this if it's true and there's a link here suggesting it's not credible
http://www.janes.com/article
It does sound like a load of rubbish doesn't it, but the Daily Mail are reporting it (they probably got the story from PH though).http://www.janes.com/article
Maybe the Caliphate is setting up a flag carrier.
Magog said:
It does sound like a load of rubbish doesn't it, but the Daily Mail are reporting it (they probably got the story from PH though).
Maybe the Caliphate is setting up a flag carrier.
If I was to tell you they also have Humvees and weapons that can blow planes out of the sky you would probably think that is rubbish too. There is a reason they are doing a good job at fighting the Syrian army who have their hands tied behind their back. Maybe the Caliphate is setting up a flag carrier.
Moonhawk said:
First of all - you have the small problem of getting an internet connection on board an airliner.
Second - how 'live' and accurate is this map. I clicked on a few ships on this map - and it appears that the transponder signals are sent intermittently. Some of the ships I found had uploaded positional data as long ago as 40 minutes. At a cruising speed of 12 knots that could put the ships position out by over 9 miles.
Hitting a ship that you know is there is one thing - but finding a ship (let alone a specific one) from a commercial airliner is a whole different ballgame.
You'd have to have a pretty specific targets to cause major disruption. Hitting a cargo ship full of rubber dog s#it out of Hong Kong is unlikely to impact anyone except joke shop owners in Blackpool.
there are satellite phones with Internet accessSecond - how 'live' and accurate is this map. I clicked on a few ships on this map - and it appears that the transponder signals are sent intermittently. Some of the ships I found had uploaded positional data as long ago as 40 minutes. At a cruising speed of 12 knots that could put the ships position out by over 9 miles.
Hitting a ship that you know is there is one thing - but finding a ship (let alone a specific one) from a commercial airliner is a whole different ballgame.
You'd have to have a pretty specific targets to cause major disruption. Hitting a cargo ship full of rubber dog s#it out of Hong Kong is unlikely to impact anyone except joke shop owners in Blackpool.
map isn't accurate but will give them idea where the ship is roughly, ships are easily visible from airplane on a clear day even from cruising altitude let alone if they were flying low, hitting a huge slow maneauvering ship coming from behind is fairly easy I guess, the hardest part is obtaining a will to die which obviously doesn't pose any problems for them
AreOut said:
there are satellite phones with Internet access
map isn't accurate but will give them idea where the ship is roughly, ships are easily visible from airplane on a clear day even from cruising altitude let alone if they were flying low, hitting a huge slow maneauvering ship coming from behind is fairly easy I guess, the hardest part is obtaining a will to die which obviously doesn't pose any problems for them
The pilots might be reading up on the Pacific War as we speak. I agree, this really wouldn't be hard although I think they might try something else more land based.map isn't accurate but will give them idea where the ship is roughly, ships are easily visible from airplane on a clear day even from cruising altitude let alone if they were flying low, hitting a huge slow maneauvering ship coming from behind is fairly easy I guess, the hardest part is obtaining a will to die which obviously doesn't pose any problems for them
Grumfutock said:
AreOut said:
there are satellite phones with Internet access
map isn't accurate but will give them idea where the ship is roughly, ships are easily visible from airplane on a clear day even from cruising altitude let alone if they were flying low, hitting a huge slow maneauvering ship coming from behind is fairly easy I guess, the hardest part is obtaining a will to die which obviously doesn't pose any problems for them
The pilots might be reading up on the Pacific War as we speak. I agree, this really wouldn't be hard although I think they might try something else more land based.map isn't accurate but will give them idea where the ship is roughly, ships are easily visible from airplane on a clear day even from cruising altitude let alone if they were flying low, hitting a huge slow maneauvering ship coming from behind is fairly easy I guess, the hardest part is obtaining a will to die which obviously doesn't pose any problems for them
BlackLabel said:
How much damage could you cause to the world's economy if you just forced all commercial planes to be grounded for say 24 hours? You would not even need a target. Just take to the skies and fly in random directions all over the globe. Keep a couple back in a hanger somewhere to keep folks guessing. Governments rush to shut down airspace and you've then pretty much distrupted the lives of thousands of people and cost them a shed load of money in the process.
Or have I been watching too much tv?
i'd say you've not watched enough, a CIA operative would pilot an F16 and eject out onto the wing of the hijacked plane where he would disable an engine, then fight is way inside once a bad guy opened the door to take him out.Or have I been watching too much tv?
once inside his gun would jam and he would have to kill 4 armed hijakers with plastic cutlery from the food troly before landing the plane on a dessert in north africa.
Prawnboy said:
BlackLabel said:
How much damage could you cause to the world's economy if you just forced all commercial planes to be grounded for say 24 hours? You would not even need a target. Just take to the skies and fly in random directions all over the globe. Keep a couple back in a hanger somewhere to keep folks guessing. Governments rush to shut down airspace and you've then pretty much distrupted the lives of thousands of people and cost them a shed load of money in the process.
Or have I been watching too much tv?
i'd say you've not watched enough, a CIA operative would pilot an F16 and eject out onto the wing of the hijacked plane where he would disable an engine, then fight is way inside once a bad guy opened the door to take him out.Or have I been watching too much tv?
once inside his gun would jam and he would have to kill 4 armed hijakers with plastic cutlery from the food troly before landing the plane on a dessert in north africa.
Gaz. said:
If you need to move 300 nutters 5000 miles without flagging international security agencies at airports, why not have your own Airbus? I know IS have loads of American weapons including anti-aircraft rockets and even Abrams tanks left over from Iraq, but have they got enough fuel for these aircraft? It's a lot of juice to store.
You do realise they have control of oil fields? They are a multi billion dollar organisation. photosnob said:
If I was to tell you they also have Humvees and weapons that can blow planes out of the sky you would probably think that is rubbish too. There is a reason they are doing a good job at fighting the Syrian army who have their hands tied behind their back.
Who is 'they', the various militias in Libya or ISIS? Both have access to sophisticated modern weaponry that they've captured from state forces, or has been in the possession of defecting units, so that's clearly not rubbish.The question is where have the Libyan militias taken these 11 missing planes? My guess is that they are still on the ground at those airports, likely damaged and unserviceable and the Daily Mail/Free Beacon are talking rubbish.
That's how we roll in the Obamanation dude! 
Prawnboy said:
BlackLabel said:
How much damage could you cause to the world's economy if you just forced all commercial planes to be grounded for say 24 hours? You would not even need a target. Just take to the skies and fly in random directions all over the globe. Keep a couple back in a hanger somewhere to keep folks guessing. Governments rush to shut down airspace and you've then pretty much distrupted the lives of thousands of people and cost them a shed load of money in the process.
Or have I been watching too much tv?
i'd say you've not watched enough, a CIA operative would pilot an F16 and eject out onto the wing of the hijacked plane where he would disable an engine, then fight is way inside once a bad guy opened the door to take him out.Or have I been watching too much tv?
once inside his gun would jam and he would have to kill 4 armed hijakers with plastic cutlery from the food troly before landing the plane on a dessert in north africa.
Prawnboy said:
i'd say you've not watched enough, a CIA operative would pilot an F16 and eject out onto the wing of the hijacked plane where he would disable an engine, then fight is way inside once a bad guy opened the door to take him out.
once inside his gun would jam and he would have to kill 4 armed hijakers with plastic cutlery from the food troly before landing the plane on a dessert in north africa.
Now come on. Even when said CIA operative retakes the plane, if they were going to have a hard time hitting a oil tanker then finding and landing on a Banana split in the Sahara is getting just a tad silly. once inside his gun would jam and he would have to kill 4 armed hijakers with plastic cutlery from the food troly before landing the plane on a dessert in north africa.
Grumfutock said:
Steve_W said:
Grumfutock said:
Oil platforms would make a great economic target or a cruise ship a propaganda one for example.
An LPG tanker would make the biggest bang I'd imagineTTwiggy said:
An AIS receiver would be more accurate. Whether you could get one to work from the air, I have no idea.
AIS is line of sight via VHF, so receiving it in an aircraft is easy.
oh yea.......still anythings possible in hollywood.For anyone who does twitter, follow this chap @Libyanpilot. He was until 3 weeks ago, a pilot with Afriqyah and was given daily/hourly updates on the situation in Tripoli at the time of the invasion of the airport. Him and his colleagues managed to get 2 planes safely to Malta.
This is just scaremongering. No planes were stolen. Planes that werent removed from the airport were destroyed by the terrorists.
This is just scaremongering. No planes were stolen. Planes that werent removed from the airport were destroyed by the terrorists.
Edited by Eclassy on Wednesday 3rd September 18:58
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