EU President & Germany both call for creation of an EU army
Discussion
Mrr T said:
So as an example please show me where you deal with how UK financial services companies continue to operate within the EU without a passport. Since only the EEA and Switzerland have a trade area with the EU covering financial services and UKIP will join neither.Or are we back to that mythical treaty.
Presumably we will no longer be effected by the EU 'Alternative Investment Fund Managers Directive' which has caused some Fund Managers to move to Switzerland and abroad. Switzerland has negotiated it's own treaties with the EU - the UK would do similar.Scuffers said:
Soov535 said:
Hilarious.
Try doing some reading. All this has been set out in full. Google for it.
Typical anti UKIP bluster
exactly.Try doing some reading. All this has been set out in full. Google for it.
Typical anti UKIP bluster
takes less than 5 seconds to Google it:
UKIP Site said:
Agriculture and Fishing
– By leaving the EU, the UK will leave the Common Agricultural Policy. Outside the EU UKIP will institute a British Single Farm Payment for farms.
– UKIP will let the British parliament vote on GM foods.
– UKIP will leave the Common Fisheries Policy and reinstate British territorial waters.
– Foreign trawlers would have to apply for and purchase fishing permits to fish British waters when fish stocks have returned to sustainable levels.
– Food must be labelled to include the country of origin, method of production, method of slaughter, hormones and any genetic additives.
– UKIP will abolish the export of live animals for slaughter
then another 5 seconds to find it on youtube.– By leaving the EU, the UK will leave the Common Agricultural Policy. Outside the EU UKIP will institute a British Single Farm Payment for farms.
– UKIP will let the British parliament vote on GM foods.
– UKIP will leave the Common Fisheries Policy and reinstate British territorial waters.
– Foreign trawlers would have to apply for and purchase fishing permits to fish British waters when fish stocks have returned to sustainable levels.
– Food must be labelled to include the country of origin, method of production, method of slaughter, hormones and any genetic additives.
– UKIP will abolish the export of live animals for slaughter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHbmMo8wINk
Did you miss the bit:
Mrr T said:
Ironically the UKIP plan was just to renounce the treaties.
The problem with that plan is:
1. What happens the CAP payments?
2. Who clears the fishing grounds.
3. How do UK financial institutions continue to operate in the EU with out a EU passport.
4. How do we export to the EU.
5. What do we do about checking EU imports.
It was all madness.
Notice the word WAS.The problem with that plan is:
1. What happens the CAP payments?
2. Who clears the fishing grounds.
3. How do UK financial institutions continue to operate in the EU with out a EU passport.
4. How do we export to the EU.
5. What do we do about checking EU imports.
It was all madness.
The EU preaches democracy if I'm not wrong,..... I seem to remember seeing a lot about this issue when Ukraine was in the news.
Why then would the EU block/prevent or generally make it impossible for the people of Britain to vote ourselves out of their club?
That doesn't strike me as very democratic.
Why then would the EU block/prevent or generally make it impossible for the people of Britain to vote ourselves out of their club?
That doesn't strike me as very democratic.
Scuffers said:
Mrr T said:
You mean look up a reply which exists only in UKIP land.
So as an example please show me where you deal with how UK financial services companies continue to operate within the EU without a passport. Since only the EEA and Switzerland have a trade area with the EU covering financial services and UKIP will join neither.Or are we back to that mythical treaty.
you really are laughable!So as an example please show me where you deal with how UK financial services companies continue to operate within the EU without a passport. Since only the EEA and Switzerland have a trade area with the EU covering financial services and UKIP will join neither.Or are we back to that mythical treaty.
remind us again which are the largest financial centres on the planet, in order?
how come none of them are in the Euro Zone?
if we leave the EU, who do you think is going to have the bigger issue should the EU start to try and play tariff games?
the city and business are way bigger than governments, you only have to look just how scared the euro zone is every time the markets squeak at them.
Might not knock the position of London as a financial market?
Mrr T said:
So the fact UK regulated bank, this includes all the American banks who are based in London, could not sell any of their services to and company in the EU. UK financial services could not sell investments any where is the EU.
Might not knock the position of London as a financial market?
Jesus wept!Might not knock the position of London as a financial market?
to even consider that as a possible scenario is laughable, actually, no, it's just plain sad that you seem to have no concept of how this stuff works.
Looking away from the political argument for a second, I wonder how the MoD will re-package the recruitment to make the idea of serving Europe appealing? I for one would find it difficult to continue serving under EU rule, and believe it or not young men and women still join up to serve their country. Would serving their continent/ federation change their willingness to join up?
selym said:
Looking away from the political argument for a second, I wonder how the MoD will re-package the recruitment to make the idea of serving Europe appealing? I for one would find it difficult to continue serving under EU rule, and believe it or not young men and women still join up to serve their country. Would serving their continent/ federation change their willingness to join up?
They'll probably bring back conscription, you know like Adolf did.AA999 said:
The EU preaches democracy if I'm not wrong,..... I seem to remember seeing a lot about this issue when Ukraine was in the news.
Why then would the EU block/prevent or generally make it impossible for the people of Britain to vote ourselves out of their club?
That doesn't strike me as very democratic.
You do understand the EU is governed by a number of treaties. If there was no way to exit the treaties then blame our government who signed them.Why then would the EU block/prevent or generally make it impossible for the people of Britain to vote ourselves out of their club?
That doesn't strike me as very democratic.
Its ironic the the Lisbon treaty was the first to include a way to exit.
The problem remains unwinding ourselves from the EU in the 2 years envisaged by the Lisbon treaty is impractical. So the best exit plan is to remain in the EEA after leaving. This resolves most of the issues and gives up more control of UK regulation.
The one issue it does not resolve if the free movement of labour, so UKIP will never accept the idea.
Soov535 said:
selym said:
Looking away from the political argument for a second, I wonder how the MoD will re-package the recruitment to make the idea of serving Europe appealing? I for one would find it difficult to continue serving under EU rule, and believe it or not young men and women still join up to serve their country. Would serving their continent/ federation change their willingness to join up?
They'll probably bring back conscription, you know like Adolf did.With this and what's going on with Russia at the moment, we are seriously in danger of slipping into the next world war.
Scuffers said:
Mrr T said:
So the fact UK regulated bank, this includes all the American banks who are based in London, could not sell any of their services to and company in the EU. UK financial services could not sell investments any where is the EU.
Might not knock the position of London as a financial market?
Jesus wept!Might not knock the position of London as a financial market?
to even consider that as a possible scenario is laughable, actually, no, it's just plain sad that you seem to have no concept of how this stuff works.
selym said:
Looking away from the political argument for a second, I wonder how the MoD will re-package the recruitment to make the idea of serving Europe appealing? I for one would find it difficult to continue serving under EU rule, and believe it or not young men and women still join up to serve their country. Would serving their continent/ federation change their willingness to join up?
I have thought about this recentlyish. If the need for conscription arose again, I'm pretty sure it would be on behalf of the EU, not the UK. I, and I think many others would not go to war for the EU.Slightly aside, but I wonder if the need arose again, would women also be conscripted?
Esseesse said:
I have thought about this recentlyish. If the need for conscription arose again, I'm pretty sure it would be on behalf of the EU, not the UK. I, and I think many others would not go to war for the EU.
Slightly aside, but I wonder if the need arose again, would women also be conscripted?
I wouldn't have signed up for an EU controlled Army. Not a chance. Slightly aside, but I wonder if the need arose again, would women also be conscripted?
Asterix said:
Esseesse said:
I have thought about this recentlyish. If the need for conscription arose again, I'm pretty sure it would be on behalf of the EU, not the UK. I, and I think many others would not go to war for the EU.
Slightly aside, but I wonder if the need arose again, would women also be conscripted?
I wouldn't have signed up for an EU controlled Army. Not a chance. Slightly aside, but I wonder if the need arose again, would women also be conscripted?
(Bit like having a referendum?)
You said that UK financial services will not be effected by leaving the EU.
I pointed out they would.
to even consider that as a possible scenario is laughable, actually, no, it's just plain sad that you seem to have no concept of how this stuff works.I asked how you would avoid the problem and you say:
I pointed out they would.
Mrr T said:
Scuffers said:
Mrr T said:
So the fact UK regulated bank, this includes all the American banks who are based in London, could not sell any of their services to and company in the EU. UK financial services could not sell investments any where is the EU.
Might not knock the position of London as a financial market?
Jesus wept!Might not knock the position of London as a financial market?
to even consider that as a possible scenario is laughable, actually, no, it's just plain sad that you seem to have no concept of how this stuff works.
Scuffers said:
leave.
simples really.
Do you read posts?simples really.
Scuffers said:
Mrr T said:
Do you read posts?
no, you seem to have created a fictional problem you then want others to dismiss?So are you say that the UK leaving the EU without a creating a free trade area with the EU would mean all UK financial institutions would have to stop doing business with the EU is a fictional problem???
Mrr T said:
OK so now you have confirmed you do not read posts.
So are you say that the UK leaving the EU without a creating a free trade area with the EU would mean all UK financial institutions would have to stop doing business with the EU is a fictional problem???
is this your way of some sad game?So are you say that the UK leaving the EU without a creating a free trade area with the EU would mean all UK financial institutions would have to stop doing business with the EU is a fictional problem???
do you really think playing sad games is how business and finance operate?
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