Article 50 ruling due now
Discussion
Oceanic said:
55palfers said:
How much has this pointless charade cost us? We pay Gina's costs too now I guess?
Surely no MP can vote against in Parliament, the public voted for Brexit - bloody well get on with it!
Surely an MP is bound to represent the views of their local constituents first?Surely no MP can vote against in Parliament, the public voted for Brexit - bloody well get on with it!
Don't get me wrong, the referendum is a powerful instrument but to my eyes the result is not clear cut enough for parliament just to "get on with it" without further consideration. The loss of EU funding will set the peace process back 30 years in Northern Ireland, we will likely loose merchant banking passporting from London and Scotland voted yes to force another devolution vote. There are massive opportunities in being able to set our own trade deals and we do need manage our own trade deals but regardless of your views on Brexit these have massive implications for the United Kingdom and are not things we should set in train without oversight, scrutiny and a lot of thought.
Guybrush said:
Greg66 said:
Guybrush said:
Greg66 said:
Mail and the Express behaving in their usual predictable way.
(2) So what?
Oceanic said:
Guybrush said:
The people knew what they were voting for.
I think that is highly disingenuous, yes some, many yes did have a good idea what they were getting into, but many also did not! So its sort of a moot point.
What has to be taken as fact are the figures of the result of the referendum.
55palfers said:
Surely no MP can vote against in Parliament, the public voted for Brexit - bloody well get on with it!
Even those in pro-EU constituencies?It'll be down to MPs to consult with their constituents and consider the issues from all angles.
...Or tow the party line and damn the constituents if thats the way this plays out of course. In many ways however I'd expect parties would feel forcing the issue one way or another would be a no-win and would rather risk a diversity of opinion. Although not the outcome I desire I'd expect a slight majority would end up voting in favour of invoking article 50.
turbobloke said:
Andy Zarse said:
Gargamel said:
I think it is the Lords that will be the tricky part
I thought too, but apparently not. Firstly the Article 50 motion is supported by both Lords front benches so it will pass. In the event of a filibuster or wrecking amendments by atti-Brexit peers, the Govt can use the rarely used procedure of "closure" which allows debates to be curtailed and peers to go straight to a vote. This is contained in House standing orders and any member may now move "that the question now be put" and the Chair must read a set statement and the matter is "put" to a vote without further debate. All of which apparently means the Supreme Court case was completely pointless.
H/T John Rentoul of The Independent, in an article published on Facebook.
So now a motion will be put before the House, it will pass with ease, there can then be no question about Article 50 legitimacy and the folk who brought the case have hilariously shot themselves in the foot. My how we will all laugh.
It has been an object lesson in reminding us of the imperative for the legislature's requirement to abide by the rule of law. In my view all these silly shenannigans serve to show the sysytem is working beautifully.
Well the Lib Dems are already calling for a second referendum on the final deal and the SNP are going to hold a vote in the Scottish parliament too....
But my instinct is that this will make very little difference to the Brexit process - this was the expected outcome of the case after all and MPs would be foolish to block A50 being triggered.
But my instinct is that this will make very little difference to the Brexit process - this was the expected outcome of the case after all and MPs would be foolish to block A50 being triggered.
speedy_thrills said:
55palfers said:
Surely no MP can vote against in Parliament, the public voted for Brexit - bloody well get on with it!
Even those in pro-EU constituencies?It'll be down to MPs to consult with their constituents and consider the issues from all angles.
...Or tow the party line and damn the constituents if thats the way this plays out of course. In many ways however I'd expect parties would feel forcing the issue one way or another would be a no-win and would rather risk a diversity of opinion. Although not the outcome I desire I'd expect a slight majority would end up voting in favour of invoking article 50.
PurpleMoonlight said:
May should resign for trying to act unlawfully.
Ha ha ha. Christ alive, that has to be the most hilarious statement of the day.
And still will be at the end of the day.
Here, have jjlynn trademark.
To be honest, the outcome was predictable and in a strange sort of way I'm rather pleased.
Two boring by-elections coming up where turnout would have been predictably low, may now turn into more voting and letting Miller and her cronies know exactly what the people voted for, what they think, and want.
I'm predicting Labour losing both seats now, one probably by some margin.
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