Does the City deserve a kicking?

[Don]

Baby Huey said:

Don said:

Shame they aren't directing their ire at the people who are actually responsible.

Who's that then?

Certainly isn't me.

I don't believe you. IT IS YOU! It was you all along. Working behind the scenes in your Dr No headquarters planning the downfall of society in your golf cart. Just waiting for the opportunity to...


...oh.

[ATG]

scorp said:

NDA said:

The city contributes an estimated £67.8bn of taxes, 14% of the total UK tax take.

I don't work in the city or in financial services (never have), but it would seem a bit myopic to just say 'feck em all'.

Money is worthless without actual production to match it, apart from monopolising cash and bad risk judgements, what do these city types actually produce ?

Wrong. "Production" has no more intrinsic worth than a "service". You can produce as much as you like, but if no one wants what you're making, it is completely worthless. Money's only worth comes from people's faith in it having worth - end of story. It has nothing to do with being able to back it with anything, be that "production", gold or anything else.

[OJ]

BOR said:

fk the tax take. How come you appologists ALWAYS boil everything down to how much money is involved ?

MONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEY

Any viable alternatives to suggest, or just daily mail fuelled vitriol?

[scotal]

Baby Huey said:

I don't believe there will be any violence towards individuals.

Why do you believe that?

[thehawk]

I really have no problem with making money as I said, it is the attitudes of many in the city that I despise. I guess you could call it the 'City' attitude if you will. I've seen quite a few people enter and within a while they are totally different people.

It even seem to affect semi-normal people, like many in the IT industry I've worked with that suddenly think they are 'all that' earning £100K as a contractor

[Quaint]

OJ said:

BOR said:

fk the tax take. How come you appologists ALWAYS boil everything down to how much money is involved ?

MONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEY

Any viable alternatives to suggest, or just daily mail fuelled vitriol?

Well, apparently on planet BOR £68 billion is a nugatory figure - so I'm not sure why you're expecting any kind of rational thought...

[isee]

Baby Huey said:

isee said:

BOR said:

YES. fk the City. fk the bankers and all the other trough pigs who just can't get enough of it, and who regularly fk it up for the rest of decent society.

Unfortunately, there is only one language these sociopaths understand, so my sympathies to innocent people who get caught up in it.

The worst thing is that this will probably be the one chance the governments have to destroy the influence of the financial organised crime world, but they're not seizing the chance.

It staggers me that the government is mincing around when they could, one way or another, destroy Fred Goodwin, destroy Barcap SCuM and bring the rest to heel.

There should be millions of people on these demos, but we just don't seem to fight back.

Yes indeed, also my sympathies in case your sister, daughter or mother get caught up in it and end up in hospital or dead, but hey, it's the price we must be prepared to pay for mob justice right?

I don't believe there will be any violence towards individuals.

The last time around there were torched cars and smashed mcdonalds... This time around we got more than one group working together so it has every possibility to be worse.
I hope there will be no hooliganesque violence but I am sure there will be

[Zod]

Racingdude009 said:

Tough regulation yes a kicking no !

as your idiot leader pretends he has been saying for ten years, eh?

[ATG]

Baby Huey said:

Don said:

Shame they aren't directing their ire at the people who are actually responsible.

Who's that then?

Certainly isn't me.

How about every individual who has bought a house in the last few years and thereby fueled the asset bubble that has just burst?

[NDA]

ATG said:

Baby Huey said:

Don said:

Shame they aren't directing their ire at the people who are actually responsible.

Who's that then?

Certainly isn't me.

How about every individual who has bought a house in the last few years and thereby fueled the asset bubble that has just burst?

Yes, quite.

All those who have 'got me rights innit' shuffling credit around to buy their plasma screens. But that's the fault of Tarquin at Lloyds of course.

[Zod]

the anti-City commentators in this thread provide plenty of vitriol, but clearly have no clue about what the City really is or what it does. I is just a convenient focus of invective for work-shy socialists who cannot direct their ire at their Labour government.


As for RacingDullard99, you are a dismal example of a Labour apparatchik.

[scotal]

Zod said:

As for RacingDullard99, you are a dismal example of a Labour apparatchik.

Acthally, I'm worried that he's the best they can do.... now that is worrying.

[isee]

Zod said:

the anti-City commentators in this thread provide plenty of vitriol, but clearly have no clue about what the City really is or what it does. I is just a convenient focus of invective for work-shy socialists who cannot direct their ire at their Labour government.


As for RacingDullard99, you are a dismal example of a Labour apparatchik.

Well said that, the lack of city life from those who are against it is startling.
Hence the "everyone who is wearing a suit within the square mile but be the fat cat banker with his snout firmly in the trough" mentality

[Podie]

el stovey said:

I expect the taxpayer bailout has had something to do with it.

The Govt set the rules. The banks played to them.

Whilst the bankers may have stretched the rules, the Govt have done a neat job of sidestepping the blame.

Note that when the Govt are pulled up on stretching the rules for expenses it's OK...

[Maxf]

BOR said:

NDA said:

The city contributes an estimated £67.8bn of taxes, 14% of the total UK tax take.

fk the tax take. How come you appologists ALWAYS boil everything down to how much money is involved ?

MONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEY

Pretty much the same as the antis then.

[OJ]

thehawk said:

I really have no problem with making money as I said, it is the attitudes of many in the city that I despise. I guess you could call it the 'City' attitude if you will. I've seen quite a few people enter and within a while they are totally different people.

It even seem to affect semi-normal people, like many in the IT industry I've worked with that suddenly think they are 'all that' earning £100K as a contractor

I would say that's a matter of perspective. Having lived in an environment surrounded by 'those people' for most of my life, and relatively recently moved out to the middle of nowhere to do a low paid job, I find myself increasingly thinking that Engineers make the world work while the rest of society pushes money around in circles. I'm the one that's changed.

The reality is of course that we're a small island with too many people and too little resources, and our society needs an industry that revolves around expertise rather than raw materials. That industry in our case is finance, and it serves to provide the funding and drive the rest of the weaker industries, especially when we had a strong currency.

In short the finance industry is something of a necessary evil, but some idiots have mugged it within an inch of it's life and thrown it out of balance while Winky Mcfknut has turned a blind eye (no pun intended) and blasted all of the tax proceeds away on socialist vanity projects

[plasticpig]

Yes parts of it deserves a kicking. They deserve a kicking for failing in their fiduciary duties to their shareholders.

[blindswelledrat]

BOR said:

YES. fk the City. fk the bankers and all the other trough pigs who just can't get enough of it, and who regularly fk it up for the rest of decent society.

Unfortunately, there is only one language these sociopaths understand, so my sympathies to innocent people who get caught up in it.

The worst thing is that this will probably be the one chance the governments have to destroy the influence of the financial organised crime world, but they're not seizing the chance.

It staggers me that the government is mincing around when they could, one way or another, destroy Fred Goodwin, destroy Barcap SCuM and bring the rest to heel.

There should be millions of people on these demos, but we just don't seem to fight back.

I've tried over and over again to read this but every time I do I just hear:

BOR said:

I need a wash and a haircut

Over and over again

[juansolo]

OJ said:

BOR said:

fk the tax take. How come you appologists ALWAYS boil everything down to how much money is involved ?

MONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEYMONEY

Any viable alternatives to suggest, or just daily mail fuelled vitriol?

We should all live in state funded bliss! Those that do work will of course have to pay for this in increased taxes, but they won't mind because they're greedy evil capitalist pigs...

Really it's a media fuelled frenzy that the low of intellect have decided they should be worked up about. I dispair for anyone who needs to be told what to think by the media because they're too lazy to think for themselves. The worry is that they seem to believe EVERYTHING that they're told these days. All the spin, all the bias, all the sensationalism, the diversionary scapegoating. Are the masses really this stupid these days?

[OJ]

juansolo said:

Are the masses really this stupid these days?

I present the following evidence to the jury