Bristol East Postal Vote Scandal!! STAND UP AND BE HEARD!
Discussion
Jovial Joe said:
It appears the ARO doesn't really want to get involved.
Dear Stephen
Many thanks as to your prompt response, as I mentioned in my email I'm
well
aware of the current police investigation into the allegations
surrounding
Miss McCarthy and as such understand and appreciate that you're unable
to
comment in detail.
However can you clarify as to whether or not she has been asked to
stand
down as a candidate?
Many thanks
Joe Hale
Dear Mr Hale,
I have discussed your question with Mr McNamara, and he tells me that
he has no knowledge of whether or not Ms McCarthy has been asked to
stand down.
Yvonne Dawes
That'll be a "no" then, another whitewash. Discusting.Dear Stephen
Many thanks as to your prompt response, as I mentioned in my email I'm
well
aware of the current police investigation into the allegations
surrounding
Miss McCarthy and as such understand and appreciate that you're unable
to
comment in detail.
However can you clarify as to whether or not she has been asked to
stand
down as a candidate?
Many thanks
Joe Hale
Dear Mr Hale,
I have discussed your question with Mr McNamara, and he tells me that
he has no knowledge of whether or not Ms McCarthy has been asked to
stand down.
Yvonne Dawes
sjn2004 said:
I got this today
"Please see message from Mr McNamara:
Dear Mr xxxxx
I have, as the acting Returning Officer, made a complaint to the police.
This is now a police matter and therefore I forwarded your email to them
regards
It's no bloody wonder that she felt she would get away with posting PV's on Twitter early, when there's such sloppy governance around critical aspects of life, such as correct punctuation. "Please see message from Mr McNamara:
Dear Mr xxxxx
I have, as the acting Returning Officer, made a complaint to the police.
This is now a police matter and therefore I forwarded your email to them
regards
For what it's worth, I've sent my email to register my absolute disgust at the deliberate breach of known and constantly re-affirmed political protocol & law. IMO, she should be strung up for such an open breach of trust.
Edited by schmalex on Saturday 1st May 19:19
Edited by schmalex on Saturday 1st May 20:20
Well, this is quite serious, not only for her but the Returning Officer as well.
I'm on the Postal Count for my constituency at the moment.
Here is how the process works.
You put everything into a bundle of 50. You remove the Postal Vote Statement (PVS) from the envelope containing the ballot. The PVS goes to an identity check, and if it passes, then we open the ballot envelope, place the ballot face down, mark off the batch. The bundle of ballots go straight to the ballot box. Any rejects are logged along the way, and AO and Returning Officer will decide if a reject can go in the ballot. They may investigate a couple of votes later in the week (eg the 96 year old who couldn't remember their D-O-B on Tuesday).
Now although the candidate is allowed in the room, there is nowhere for them to get a sample of any ballots. A candidate can't just intercept the ballots going to the box, or help out with the batch processes that are running.
The only people who can see the ballots are the people like me, and we're too busy to be doing any type of counting of votes.
The AOs (Adjudicating Officers) can see the ballots, but they are generally too busy to be helping any candidate sample a batch of ballots. And why would they?
Lets make this very clear also.
This is all imprisonable. They make this very clear when you enter the room. The Act is printed and left on all the desks. The Act is remarkably clear as to what you should and shouldn't do and you are encouraged to read it.
And the Returning Officer is also on the line. The whole election in a constituency is on his shoulders. If there is a f
k Up, it comes to his door personally. And I mean personally. He can go to prison, and any fines go to him personally, and not the Council or Election Office. He gets it in the nuts if this thing goes wrong.
Which means that this criminal offense occurred under his watch, and he is personally liable for what she did. Trust me, he will be spitting feathers right now.
It poses some interesting questions.
What process did they have running for a candidate to be able to see the ballots and conduct a sampling?
Was anyone working with the candidate to get this information? Like an AO or just a Postal Count pleb like me?
Why was the candidate or candidates representative even at the Postal Count? We haven't seen one all week! And we're told we're not likely to either.
I'm on the Postal Count for my constituency at the moment.
Here is how the process works.
You put everything into a bundle of 50. You remove the Postal Vote Statement (PVS) from the envelope containing the ballot. The PVS goes to an identity check, and if it passes, then we open the ballot envelope, place the ballot face down, mark off the batch. The bundle of ballots go straight to the ballot box. Any rejects are logged along the way, and AO and Returning Officer will decide if a reject can go in the ballot. They may investigate a couple of votes later in the week (eg the 96 year old who couldn't remember their D-O-B on Tuesday).
Now although the candidate is allowed in the room, there is nowhere for them to get a sample of any ballots. A candidate can't just intercept the ballots going to the box, or help out with the batch processes that are running.
The only people who can see the ballots are the people like me, and we're too busy to be doing any type of counting of votes.
The AOs (Adjudicating Officers) can see the ballots, but they are generally too busy to be helping any candidate sample a batch of ballots. And why would they?
Lets make this very clear also.
This is all imprisonable. They make this very clear when you enter the room. The Act is printed and left on all the desks. The Act is remarkably clear as to what you should and shouldn't do and you are encouraged to read it.
And the Returning Officer is also on the line. The whole election in a constituency is on his shoulders. If there is a f
k Up, it comes to his door personally. And I mean personally. He can go to prison, and any fines go to him personally, and not the Council or Election Office. He gets it in the nuts if this thing goes wrong.Which means that this criminal offense occurred under his watch, and he is personally liable for what she did. Trust me, he will be spitting feathers right now.
It poses some interesting questions.
What process did they have running for a candidate to be able to see the ballots and conduct a sampling?
Was anyone working with the candidate to get this information? Like an AO or just a Postal Count pleb like me?
Why was the candidate or candidates representative even at the Postal Count? We haven't seen one all week! And we're told we're not likely to either.
theironduke said:
tinman0 said:
mondeoman said:
Ooooh - the plot thickens then: should we complain to the police re Mr McNamara??
By virtue of his complaint to the Police, he's more or less reported himself.schmalex said:
To be fair, I would assume that once the process commences, that would all come out in the wash, so no point pushing a point too far.
I really hope it does, publicly, in the media.However, as far as we are aware Ms McCarthy is still the standing candidate for Labour, her name will still be on the ballot papers on thursday...this is the issue i want clarifying!!
Will she still be standing on thursday? if so WTF is going on???
I got a reply from the Returning Officer saying my email had been passed to the police.
Dear Mr Bennett,
I have as the acting Returning Officer made a complaint to the police.
This is now a police matter and therefore I forwarded your email to them
regards
I still suspect nothing will happen.
Dear Mr Bennett,
I have as the acting Returning Officer made a complaint to the police.
This is now a police matter and therefore I forwarded your email to them
regards
I still suspect nothing will happen.
Might be a better idea to email the Tories and Lid Dems re this.
Contact details for Bristol East Tories:
http://www.yournextmp.com/candidates/adeela_shafi
Ditto for Lib Dems:
http://www.bristoleastlibdems.org.uk/
Or one of the Tory bloggers like Iain Dale or Tim Montgomerie.
tim@conservativehome.com
iain AT iaindale DOT com
You would think they'd be on the case anyway but a reminder would not do any harm.
Contact details for Bristol East Tories:
http://www.yournextmp.com/candidates/adeela_shafi
Ditto for Lib Dems:
http://www.bristoleastlibdems.org.uk/
Or one of the Tory bloggers like Iain Dale or Tim Montgomerie.
tim@conservativehome.com
iain AT iaindale DOT com
You would think they'd be on the case anyway but a reminder would not do any harm.
5unny said:
Might be a better idea to email the Tories and Lid Dems re this.
Contact details for Bristol East Tories:
http://www.yournextmp.com/candidates/adeela_shafi
Ditto for Lib Dems:
http://www.bristoleastlibdems.org.uk/
Or one of the Tory bloggers like Iain Dale or Tim Montgomerie.
tim@conservativehome.com
iain AT iaindale DOT com
You would think they'd be on the case anyway but a reminder would not do any harm.
Good work, on it now.Contact details for Bristol East Tories:
http://www.yournextmp.com/candidates/adeela_shafi
Ditto for Lib Dems:
http://www.bristoleastlibdems.org.uk/
Or one of the Tory bloggers like Iain Dale or Tim Montgomerie.
tim@conservativehome.com
iain AT iaindale DOT com
You would think they'd be on the case anyway but a reminder would not do any harm.
Another Labour politician, this time the Justice Secretary, breaks electoral law?
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/04/jac...
Craig Murray,former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, is a bit of a tinfoil hat man at times but he claims to have affidavits to prove what he is saying here. Lets see if the mainstream media picks up on this.
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/04/jac...
Craig Murray,former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, is a bit of a tinfoil hat man at times but he claims to have affidavits to prove what he is saying here. Lets see if the mainstream media picks up on this.
Edited by 5unny on Saturday 1st May 23:41
Edited by 5unny on Saturday 1st May 23:42
Count me in
Worth a complaint here as well http://www2.labour.org.uk/contact, "As a lifelong Labour voter..."
Worth a complaint here as well http://www2.labour.org.uk/contact, "As a lifelong Labour voter..."
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