Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
whoami said:
imagineifyeswill said:
whoami said:
Efbe said:
Honestly, it looks like a crap attempt at satire.
Satire?I think not.
t, on his forehead, who was very nearly decapitated by his murderers, is not satire.eharding said:
whoami said:
imagineifyeswill said:
whoami said:
Efbe said:
Honestly, it looks like a crap attempt at satire.
Satire?I think not.
t, on his forehead, who was very nearly decapitated by his murderers, is not satire.Vile.
SpeedMattersNot said:
I kept checking at the time on this topic, but what was the general opinion on here regarding the unionists activities reported in the media?
On my Facebook, all Scots I knew were objecting to the antics performed by the apparent 'no' voters who were acting in an unsavoury manor despite getting the result they wanted?
Not many, compared with the lunatics on the 'yes' side. There were a few, certainly, but nowhere near as many. On my Facebook, all Scots I knew were objecting to the antics performed by the apparent 'no' voters who were acting in an unsavoury manor despite getting the result they wanted?
whoami said:
eharding said:
whoami said:
imagineifyeswill said:
whoami said:
Efbe said:
Honestly, it looks like a crap attempt at satire.
Satire?I think not.
t, on his forehead, who was very nearly decapitated by his murderers, is not satire.Vile.
Lots of talk from 'the 45' that we voted no because of the vow of greater devolution. The polls suggest that this is nonsense because most people had made up their mind before Brown made 'that' speech. Some polls even suggest that in the last couple of weeks there was a greater shift from undecided to yes than from undecided to no. Brown's speech and the subsequent promises made by Dave, Ed, and Clegg did not change the outcome of the poll.
davepoth said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
I kept checking at the time on this topic, but what was the general opinion on here regarding the unionists activities reported in the media?
On my Facebook, all Scots I knew were objecting to the antics performed by the apparent 'no' voters who were acting in an unsavoury manor despite getting the result they wanted?
Not many, compared with the lunatics on the 'yes' side. There were a few, certainly, but nowhere near as many. On my Facebook, all Scots I knew were objecting to the antics performed by the apparent 'no' voters who were acting in an unsavoury manor despite getting the result they wanted?
These people were just looking for an excuse to behave like thugs. In this instance the referendum was used as an excuse. In a month or 2 they will be doing the same over football, or perhaps an EDL/far right march. Then it will be over some orange order event. And round and round we go.
Drunken idiots will be drunken idiots!
SpeedMattersNot said:
I kept checking at the time on this topic, but what was the general opinion on here regarding the unionists activities reported in the media?
On my Facebook, all Scots I knew were objecting to the antics performed by the apparent 'no' voters who were acting in an unsavoury manor despite getting the result they wanted?
On my Facebook, all Scots I knew were objecting to the antics performed by the apparent 'no' voters who were acting in an unsavoury manor despite getting the result they wanted?
whoami said:
I sincerely hope so.
Vile.
Indeed.Vile.
On a broader note, and more cheerful, I do wonder if the extreme sectarian paramilitary organisations we saw in the starting in the late 1960's could even gain a toe-hold today, given the ultimate conflicting craving of the personality types involved for recognition.
Back in the day, drunkenly mouthing-off in the local pub, full of like-minded folk, didn't matter for much - in fact, it was the basis for recruitment and onward advancement.
Today, the equivalent rant on FB gets you noticed in a heartbeat, and Facebook and Google aren't the only organisations with a deep and abiding interest in analysing your social networks.
fluffnik said:
Getting rid of a foreign power that's stealing your resources has always been a good enough case for me.
I don't despise the UKofGB&NI, the State, any less than I did last week, or last century.
Not being funny but your rather extreme views are cancelled out by such views on the opposite extreme.I don't despise the UKofGB&NI, the State, any less than I did last week, or last century.
I'm sure wingsoverscotland.com have equivalents on the other side.
At the end of the day, far more moderate opinion prevailed & like it or lump it, things will stay as they are for your & my life time.
The UKofGB&NI(incl Scotland) are here to stay, as voted for by the majority of Scots.
The SNP were very divisive & damaged Scotland (Big Business will desert you to avoid being screwed if we are by chance here again in 20 years). They have also potentially delivered Tory rule to the rest of the UK for the coming decades.
How does that sit with SNP conscience, the so called needy & oppressed are not confined to North of the Border. Of are the Scots only concerned about the oppressed North of the Border & tough luck to the rest?
RYH64E said:
The settled will of the people of Scotland is to stick with said foreign power, so we must be doing something right.
You mean the majority of voters over 65, who were constantly misinformed/ lied to by the BBC and the printed press. The majority of people in this demographic do not have the access to alternative media like the younger generations do. In 15 to 20 years those who hold the union dear will be far fewer in number. It was fear over their pensions which drove most elderly people to vote no. The only thing Westminster has been able to do is terrify vulnerable pensioners.....and that makes you proud to be British? If that makes you proud to be British.....you're a shower of white.I have to say it's quite depressing returning to this thread and reading the posts since last week's referendum. I was hoping that, in the event of a 'No' vote, the mud-slinging and threats would go away, and that the Nationalists would respect the decision of their countrymen and get on with the task of attempting to heal the scars and wounds suffered by the country whilst the referendum was decided. To read the comments by fluffnik, et al., I can't help but see a bleak future for Scotland.
Sadly, these people, IMHO, will never realise the lasting damage they are doing to 'their' part of the UK. What big businesses, with a probable 10-15 year business plan, will want to settle in a malcontent Scotland now, knowing they may well have to uproot again if things turn nasty? Scotland may well get some more government sector jobs as some kind of appeasement, but I don't see any real investment in Scotland whilst the situation remains as it is. At best, I see a divided Scotland taking shape, with pro- and anti-unionists fighting politically to gain power - wasted energy and time in a competitive world. So much for the promised, and much repeated here, "settled will of the Scottish people".
In the event of this, who will get the blame for resulting the lack of investment and jobs in Scotland, I wonder, from the nationalists? I have a suspicion that they will never see themselves as the problem - to date, it's always been someone else's fault.
Sadly, these people, IMHO, will never realise the lasting damage they are doing to 'their' part of the UK. What big businesses, with a probable 10-15 year business plan, will want to settle in a malcontent Scotland now, knowing they may well have to uproot again if things turn nasty? Scotland may well get some more government sector jobs as some kind of appeasement, but I don't see any real investment in Scotland whilst the situation remains as it is. At best, I see a divided Scotland taking shape, with pro- and anti-unionists fighting politically to gain power - wasted energy and time in a competitive world. So much for the promised, and much repeated here, "settled will of the Scottish people".
In the event of this, who will get the blame for resulting the lack of investment and jobs in Scotland, I wonder, from the nationalists? I have a suspicion that they will never see themselves as the problem - to date, it's always been someone else's fault.
technodup said:
's bks anyway. The Yes lot are shouting that 79% of 16/17 year olds voted Yes. It seems this was from the Ashcroft poll and the sample size was 14. When altered to include a proper sample of 16-24 year olds it was 51% Yes.
So I've every faith in a few years that group will be back to 'the 45' like the rest of them.
I think it's time for the Yessers to retreat to their 45 Facebook groups and argue amongst themselves. The 55 aren't interested any more.
The majority of the 55 don't have access to online media.....and newspapers and TV was their only source of information on the referendum..... Don't you mean you're not interested anymore? Don't presume to judge others by your own low standards.ks anyway. The Yes lot are shouting that 79% of 16/17 year olds voted Yes. It seems this was from the Ashcroft poll and the sample size was 14. When altered to include a proper sample of 16-24 year olds it was 51% Yes.So I've every faith in a few years that group will be back to 'the 45' like the rest of them.
I think it's time for the Yessers to retreat to their 45 Facebook groups and argue amongst themselves. The 55 aren't interested any more.
xjsdriver said:
You mean the majority of voters over 65, who were constantly misinformed/ lied to by the BBC and the printed press. The majority of people in this demographic do not have the access to alternative media like the younger generations do. In 15 to 20 years those who hold the union dear will be far fewer in number. It was fear over their pensions which drove most elderly people to vote no. The only thing Westminster has been able to do is terrify vulnerable pensioners.....and that makes you proud to be British? If that makes you proud to be British.....you're a shower of white.
Of course that is complete bollucks.Let's start from the basic principle that it's been voted for by 'the majority of voters over 65', that's made up stuff.
The only thing you or anyone else knows is that the vote went No and not Yes. You don't know who voted what, nobody knows - it is not information that is recorded.
xjsdriver said:
RYH64E said:
The settled will of the people of Scotland is to stick with said foreign power, so we must be doing something right.
You mean the majority of voters over 65, who were constantly misinformed/ lied to by the BBC and the printed press. The majority of people in this demographic do not have the access to alternative media like the younger generations do. In 15 to 20 years those who hold the union dear will be far fewer in number. It was fear over their pensions which drove most elderly people to vote no. The only thing Westminster has been able to do is terrify vulnerable pensioners.....and that makes you proud to be British? If that makes you proud to be British.....you're a shower of white.andymadmak said:
fluffnik said:
imagineifyeswill said:
I dont think anyone believes last nights debacle in George Square was representative off your average NO voter anymore than some of the worst YES campaign behavior was typical of the majority off YES voters.
They are stereotypically British though. 
SpeedMattersNot said:
I kept checking at the time on this topic, but what was the general opinion on here regarding the unionists activities reported in the media?
On my Facebook, all Scots I knew were objecting to the antics performed by the apparent 'no' voters who were acting in an unsavoury manor despite getting the result they wanted?
There was a poster on here, who'd enlightened us all by informing us it was just some right wing neds causing trouble (a nothing to see here moment - if you will). Imagine the uproar if it had been Saltire waving Nationalists.........causing trouble instead.On my Facebook, all Scots I knew were objecting to the antics performed by the apparent 'no' voters who were acting in an unsavoury manor despite getting the result they wanted?
xjsdriver said:
You mean a clear majority of over 65s who may have more nostalgia for the union and the royal family? The rest of us see them as parasites....and we know the union is on its last legs.
So where do you get that from? People go into a ballot, they vote, there is no measurement of who voted what.You come up with this 'clear majority', how? On what basis are you making that assumption?
Why am I wrong to suggest that you and/or the people spouting rhetoric at you are making it up?
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