Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Respectfully, why do you keep mentioning this as if it means something when it wasn't that sort of election?
To be fair - the Yes side have also been speaking in these terms:http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/...
Speaking after the Glasgow result, Nicola Sturgeon refused to admit Yes had been beaten.
“I’m not going to concede anything at the moment. Obviously we’ve had some spectacular wins like the one here in Glasgow and we’ve seen a number of Labour heartlands voting Yes."
Since it's not that sort of election - a 'Glasgow win' is meaningless. It's simply the name of a pot that the votes went into before being counted towards the total.
Edited by Moonhawk on Monday 22 September 12:49
Moonhawk said:
To be fair - the Yes side have also been speaking in these terms:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/...
Speaking after the Glasgow result, Nicola Sturgeon refused to admit Yes had been beaten.
“I’m not going to concede anything at the moment. Obviously we’ve had some spectacular wins like the one here in Glasgow and we’ve seen a number of Labour heartlands voting Yes."
Since it's not that sort of election - a 'Glasgow win' is meaningless. It's simply the name of a pot that the votes went into before being counted towards the total.
Yeah, I was finding it quite funny how many people I knew said they were going to move from, say, Greenock, to Dundee, since "Dundee voted yes", even though there were far, far more No voters in Dundee than Inverclyde.http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/...
Speaking after the Glasgow result, Nicola Sturgeon refused to admit Yes had been beaten.
“I’m not going to concede anything at the moment. Obviously we’ve had some spectacular wins like the one here in Glasgow and we’ve seen a number of Labour heartlands voting Yes."
Since it's not that sort of election - a 'Glasgow win' is meaningless. It's simply the name of a pot that the votes went into before being counted towards the total.
the 'yes' group are really in denial
they will not accept any result other than what they see as the 'right result' in their myopic view
face the facts - the yes group LOST
move on rather than trying any further to induce a split in Scottish society?
some of the yes posters on here are quite frankly total idiots in total denial - get over yourselves
the people of Scotland have made their views very clear - the yes camp are NOT a special case - maybe special needs?
they will not accept any result other than what they see as the 'right result' in their myopic view
face the facts - the yes group LOST
move on rather than trying any further to induce a split in Scottish society?
some of the yes posters on here are quite frankly total idiots in total denial - get over yourselves
the people of Scotland have made their views very clear - the yes camp are NOT a special case - maybe special needs?
Direct lift from BBC News:
The £900,000 gamble A London-based trader who bet a total of £900,000 on a 'No' vote in the referendum has been on BBC Radio 2's Jeremy Vine show.
The man, who wanted to remain anonymous, collected £1,093,333.33 - including his stake.
He says it was a "reasoned wager" based on "a series of statistical observations".
It is "not something you should lightly", he adds.
The £900,000 gamble A London-based trader who bet a total of £900,000 on a 'No' vote in the referendum has been on BBC Radio 2's Jeremy Vine show.
The man, who wanted to remain anonymous, collected £1,093,333.33 - including his stake.
He says it was a "reasoned wager" based on "a series of statistical observations".
It is "not something you should lightly", he adds.
grand cherokee said:
they will not accept any result other than what they see as the 'right result' in their myopic view
I hope their rantings are opening the eyes of people on both sides of the fence - as to just what an independent Scotland could have been like under the leadership of such people.This fair and democratic society that the Yes campaign was peddling was I suspect, rather different to what the reality would have been like. It seems that if the people in power don't like what the majority vote for - don't worry - they'll just dismiss it and explore "other options".
The way Salmond et-al are sounding more and more dictatorial........
Couple of the guys around me in work were YES voters. Not particularly active, outspoken ones, but had said they were voting yes from about 6 months ago. We weren't interested in debating it amongst ourselves though.
They are both totally embarrassed by this "45" stuff, and just want it all to go away, accepting defeat.
Considering during the campaigning the YES campain all shouted about how the world was watching Scotland and all eyes were on them, do they not realise that the same will be said now, as the world watches a minority of voters defying what was, in the immediate aftermath, called one of the best displays of peaceful democracy in the Western world in recent times?
To be honest, I'm genuinely starting to get a bit creeped out by how cult like some of these groups are becoming. Has anyone seen the video of the food bank donations being handed over at George Square yesterday? A wonderful display, I'll give them that. Some No voters i kno turned out to donate aswell. The only thing was right next to it was a bunch of people brought by the organisers who appeared to be queuing up to take turns to swing a saltire round, while proclaiming to the crowd "THIS IS A YES FLAG, NOT A NO FLAG" ad infintum. There was something so bizarre about that. Can't fault the reason they were there though.
They are both totally embarrassed by this "45" stuff, and just want it all to go away, accepting defeat.
Considering during the campaigning the YES campain all shouted about how the world was watching Scotland and all eyes were on them, do they not realise that the same will be said now, as the world watches a minority of voters defying what was, in the immediate aftermath, called one of the best displays of peaceful democracy in the Western world in recent times?
To be honest, I'm genuinely starting to get a bit creeped out by how cult like some of these groups are becoming. Has anyone seen the video of the food bank donations being handed over at George Square yesterday? A wonderful display, I'll give them that. Some No voters i kno turned out to donate aswell. The only thing was right next to it was a bunch of people brought by the organisers who appeared to be queuing up to take turns to swing a saltire round, while proclaiming to the crowd "THIS IS A YES FLAG, NOT A NO FLAG" ad infintum. There was something so bizarre about that. Can't fault the reason they were there though.
Moonhawk said:
I hope their rantings are opening the eyes of people on both sides of the fence - as to just what an independent Scotland could have been like under the leadership of such people.
This fair and democratic society that the Yes campaign was peddling was I suspect, rather different to what the reality would have been like. It seems that if the people in power don't like what the majority vote for - don't worry - they'll just dismiss it and explore "other options".
The way Salmond et-al are sounding more and more dictatorial........
maybe Salmond's resignation means he has another agenda with the likes of that lunatic Sillars?This fair and democratic society that the Yes campaign was peddling was I suspect, rather different to what the reality would have been like. It seems that if the people in power don't like what the majority vote for - don't worry - they'll just dismiss it and explore "other options".
The way Salmond et-al are sounding more and more dictatorial........
they may in fact actually believe they can make a Declaration of Independence?
that is a prospect that is truly frightening!
grand cherokee said:
maybe Salmond's resignation means he has another agenda with the likes of that lunatic Sillars?
they may in fact actually believe they can made a Declaration of Independence?
that is a prospect that is truly frightening!
It'll never happen.......can you imagine the repercussions if they tried to pull that. they may in fact actually believe they can made a Declaration of Independence?
that is a prospect that is truly frightening!
Would the UK/EU/US stand for the creation of a western dictatorship?
///ajd said:
Thinking out loud here, but isn't it time that Scots showed some real commitment to the union?
Nope, I remain firmly of the opinion that all the constituent nations, England included, would be best served by the end of the UK and all its corrupt organs of state.FPTP is fundamentally undemocratic, the House of Lords gets more corrupt with every reform, hereditary monarchy with theocratic underpinnings is an affront to all that is decent, the superpower posturing is embarrassing and does nothing for our security, ...
There is no merit I can see in maintaining the UK.
Moonhawk said:
grand cherokee said:
maybe Salmond's resignation means he has another agenda with the likes of that lunatic Sillars?
they may in fact actually believe they can made a Declaration of Independence?
that is a prospect that is truly frightening!
It'll never happen.......can you imagine the repercussions if they tried to pull that. they may in fact actually believe they can made a Declaration of Independence?
that is a prospect that is truly frightening!
Would the UK/EU/US stand for the creation of a western dictatorship?
The current theory is because salmond signed the edinburgh agreement he is bound by it.
Once he resigns the new leader of scotland is no longer bound by the agreement so we can become have FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm without any of this pesky democracy stuff
fluffnik said:
I remain firmly of the opinion that all the constituent nations, England included, would be best served by the end of the UK and all its corrupt organs of state.
Accepting that there's a lot of self-serving corrupt crap in the 'organs of state', you can't just get rid of them. They need to be replaced with something less corrupt; know you of such an 'organ'?fluffnik said:
There is no merit I can see in maintaining the UK.
How about "Because it's what people want"?fluffnik said:
///ajd said:
Thinking out loud here, but isn't it time that Scots showed some real commitment to the union?
Nope, I remain firmly of the opinion that all the constituent nations, England included, would be best served by the end of the UK and all its corrupt organs of state.FPTP is fundamentally undemocratic, the House of Lords gets more corrupt with every reform, hereditary monarchy with theocratic underpinnings is an affront to all that is decent, the superpower posturing is embarrassing and does nothing for our security, ...
There is no merit I can see in maintaining the UK.
In many places other than Glasgow - they don't agree with you by quite a large margin.
What is it like living somewhere you thought you knew ( because you thought independence would win comfortably) when it turns out that you don't really know your countrymen at all?
Maybe you should get out more and meet other folk.
fluffnik said:
Nope, I remain firmly of the opinion that all the constituent nations, England included, would be best served by the end of the UK and all its corrupt organs of state.
FPTP is fundamentally undemocratic, the House of Lords gets more corrupt with every reform, hereditary monarchy with theocratic underpinnings is an affront to all that is decent, the superpower posturing is embarrassing and does nothing for our security, ...
There is no merit I can see in maintaining the UK.
truth be told I'm sure that I'm not alone in being sick to the teeth of the crap you post?FPTP is fundamentally undemocratic, the House of Lords gets more corrupt with every reform, hereditary monarchy with theocratic underpinnings is an affront to all that is decent, the superpower posturing is embarrassing and does nothing for our security, ...
There is no merit I can see in maintaining the UK.
I can respect the views of others but you are just negative about everything in the UK and you will not enter into any realistic discussion - you represent the worst of the ideologically driven idiots who think they are so smart they cannot be 'bothered' to even try to understand the views of the 'other side'
can I respectfully suggest you f
k off from these shores and go back to your 'roots' - Eire?because you are now a bore of the highest magnitude
Or leave. If being ruled by Westminster bothers the yes crowd so much - there are around 190 odd other countries in the world free from such terror.
Including Norway, which seems to be a favourite of the yes camp.
Why not move there? Why spend your time being miserable and so upset about the issue in Scotland? It's trivial to fix for an individual if it's that much of a concern.
If the answer to that is something to do with 'fixing' the country you're in now or along similar lines then you need to take a good look at yourself and the real reasons behind that thinking.
Including Norway, which seems to be a favourite of the yes camp.
Why not move there? Why spend your time being miserable and so upset about the issue in Scotland? It's trivial to fix for an individual if it's that much of a concern.
If the answer to that is something to do with 'fixing' the country you're in now or along similar lines then you need to take a good look at yourself and the real reasons behind that thinking.
eztiger said:
Or leave. If being ruled by Westminster bothers the yes crowd so much - there are around 190 odd other countries in the world free from such terror.
Including Norway, which seems to be a favourite of the yes camp.
Why not move there? Why spend your time being miserable and so upset about the issue in Scotland? It's trivial to fix for an individual if it's that much of a concern.
If the answer to that is something to do with 'fixing' the country you're in now or along similar lines then you need to take a good look at yourself and the real reasons behind that thinking.
this is the answerIncluding Norway, which seems to be a favourite of the yes camp.
Why not move there? Why spend your time being miserable and so upset about the issue in Scotland? It's trivial to fix for an individual if it's that much of a concern.
If the answer to that is something to do with 'fixing' the country you're in now or along similar lines then you need to take a good look at yourself and the real reasons behind that thinking.
LEAVE
if the vote had gone the other way i would of resigned from my job today and would be job hunting in england
toppstuff said:
In many places other than Glasgow - they don't agree with you by quite a large margin.
Even Glasgow cannot be held up as a beacon. If the Yessers believe that a 10.6% difference in the final result is insignificant enough to ignore it - then surely the 6.98% 'win' by Yes in Glasgow is even more so?The only place where Yes 'won' by a larger margin than No won in the final result was Dundee (where the difference between Yes and No was 14.7%)
technodup said:
The sovereign will of the Scottish people. Remember that? Salmond said it often enough.
They voted no. Accept it. Get over it. The genie went back in the bottle around 6am on Friday.
The public (the 55, you know, the majority) won't stand for another referendum, and you can forget about the 'other ways' of declaring independence. If the 45 want to split Scotland for a generation, hamper investment and get nowhere then they're going the right way about it.
And BTW I didn't vote no for more powers either. I'd disband Holyrood given the chance, so how anyone can claim we voted for devo max is beyond me.
Why "disband Holyrood given the chance" ?They voted no. Accept it. Get over it. The genie went back in the bottle around 6am on Friday.
The public (the 55, you know, the majority) won't stand for another referendum, and you can forget about the 'other ways' of declaring independence. If the 45 want to split Scotland for a generation, hamper investment and get nowhere then they're going the right way about it.
And BTW I didn't vote no for more powers either. I'd disband Holyrood given the chance, so how anyone can claim we voted for devo max is beyond me.
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