Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

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mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

257 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2015/2/17/s...

Scotnats in Jumping Before You Think shocker...the stupidity is strong in this one...rofl

BGARK

5,495 posts

248 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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Can anyone please explain to me why certain people in the UK are so interested in decimating our energy production facilities and killing our old/poor people?

Are people really so stupid not to realise what is happening in the rest of the world and that the atmosphere is actually connected?



LongQ

13,864 posts

235 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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BGARK said:
Can anyone please explain to me why certain people in the UK are so interested in decimating our energy production facilities and killing our old/poor people?

Are people really so stupid not to realise what is happening in the rest of the world and that the atmosphere is actually connected?

Nice graphic.

The answers.

UK coal too difficult to get at (for now) and so too expensive. Cheap imports are useful but will become less cheap when that lot above are built. Wind is, as we all know, entirely free so not using coal helps the balance of payments situation TODAY and will be seen as very forward thinking in the near future - see above.

Killing people.

Cuts the unaffordable pension and health care costs significantly. Better to lose a few now than later when it would be blamed on Energy Policy and the uptick in the graph would look so much steeper if more vulnerable people had been kept alive for longer.

If things really work out well the effects would also apply to well-off older people thus bringing forward access to their savings and investments for tax assessment and re-activating the economy via transfer of the "parked" funds back into the active economy as inherited wealth becomes available for re-cycling.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

276 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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LongQ said:
Wind is, as we all know, entirely free so not using coal helps the balance of payments situation TODAY and will be seen as very forward thinking in the near future
Come again?

Wind is far from free?

BGARK

5,495 posts

248 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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LongQ said:
Nice graphic.

The answers.

UK coal too difficult to get at (for now) and so too expensive. Cheap imports are useful but will become less cheap when that lot above are built. Wind is, as we all know, entirely free so not using coal helps the balance of payments situation TODAY and will be seen as very forward thinking in the near future - see above.

Killing people.

Cuts the unaffordable pension and health care costs significantly. Better to lose a few now than later when it would be blamed on Energy Policy and the uptick in the graph would look so much steeper if more vulnerable people had been kept alive for longer.

If things really work out well the effects would also apply to well-off older people thus bringing forward access to their savings and investments for tax assessment and re-activating the economy via transfer of the "parked" funds back into the active economy as inherited wealth becomes available for re-cycling.
I have no idea what you just said, are you ok?

Scuffers

20,887 posts

276 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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Ps. Coal is going down in price and has been for the last few years.

The problem is green taxes on it.

hidetheelephants

25,323 posts

195 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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LongQ has been possessed by the spirit of Ed Davey.

chris watton

22,477 posts

262 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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BGARK said:
LongQ said:
Nice graphic.

The answers.

UK coal too difficult to get at (for now) and so too expensive. Cheap imports are useful but will become less cheap when that lot above are built. Wind is, as we all know, entirely free so not using coal helps the balance of payments situation TODAY and will be seen as very forward thinking in the near future - see above.

Killing people.

Cuts the unaffordable pension and health care costs significantly. Better to lose a few now than later when it would be blamed on Energy Policy and the uptick in the graph would look so much steeper if more vulnerable people had been kept alive for longer.

If things really work out well the effects would also apply to well-off older people thus bringing forward access to their savings and investments for tax assessment and re-activating the economy via transfer of the "parked" funds back into the active economy as inherited wealth becomes available for re-cycling.
I have no idea what you just said, are you ok?
I understand perfectly what LongQ wrote - are YOU OK?

smile

hidetheelephants

25,323 posts

195 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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Scuffers said:
Ps. Coal is going down in price and has been for the last few years.

The problem is green taxes on it.
Coal price is down because of weak demand and US mining companies dumping as they're losing domestic market share to shale gas.

AreOut

3,658 posts

163 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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LongQ said:
If things really work out
yupp, so jsut like throwing a dice

BGARK

5,495 posts

248 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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chris watton said:
I understand perfectly what LongQ wrote - are YOU OK?

smile
Clearly not, I am a simple engineer and only understand numbers and facts. Fluffy words are meaningless to me. wobble

LongQ

13,864 posts

235 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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Sorry. Seem to have mislaid the irony emoji-con-thingy.

Will edit it in if I find it.

ETA: Unless I really have turned into Ed Davey, in which case ignore what I just wrote above.

LongQ

13,864 posts

235 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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BGARK said:
LongQ said:
Nice graphic.

The answers.

UK coal too difficult to get at (for now) and so too expensive. Cheap imports are useful but will become less cheap when that lot above are built. Wind is, as we all know, entirely free so not using coal helps the balance of payments situation TODAY and will be seen as very forward thinking in the near future - see above.

Killing people.

Cuts the unaffordable pension and health care costs significantly. Better to lose a few now than later when it would be blamed on Energy Policy and the uptick in the graph would look so much steeper if more vulnerable people had been kept alive for longer.

If things really work out well the effects would also apply to well-off older people thus bringing forward access to their savings and investments for tax assessment and re-activating the economy via transfer of the "parked" funds back into the active economy as inherited wealth becomes available for re-cycling.
I have no idea what you just said, are you ok?
My apologies.

It does rather seem that people in the Westminster Political bubble and a sub group that live mostly in Brighton are indeed less then bright and fail to see anything connected anywhere. As with all these situations they think they are super smart. And it seems that all the "major" players agree with each other on this particular subject.

Worrying isn't it?

But then I think even this shabby lot can't do damage quickly enough to have much effect in my lifetime. I do feel for my kids and the challenges they will likely face but they seem to be used to ignoring politics completely.

I don't think of the Grandchildren. They may never exist.

However I have enormous sympathy for anyone concerned about recently arrived grandchildren and the stupidity they will be faced with.

"O brave new world,
That has such people in't."






Jacobyte

4,730 posts

244 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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dickymint

24,615 posts

260 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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Jacobyte said:
Comments are hilarious - here's one "Don't worry he says there is a 97% consensus that he has done nothing inappropriate
"

QuantumTokoloshi

4,228 posts

219 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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dickymint said:
Comments are hilarious - here's one "Don't worry he says there is a 97% consensus that he has done nothing inappropriate
"
I quite like the "railway engineer goes off the rails" comment.

I am sure the handwritten notes were also hacked, these hackers are getting very sophisticated now days.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

172 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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Even more bizarre, he seems to have gone all Alan Titchmarsh with a '50 shades of green' effort.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/...

Blib

44,407 posts

199 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Even more bizarre, he seems to have gone all Alan Titchmarsh with a '50 shades of green' effort.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/...
Even the headline's misleading. He's not a scientist.

Foppo

2,344 posts

126 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Gandahar said:
Oh please, stop the Daily Wail diatribe. Economic suicide for UK due to green policies, er, no. The main economic downside at the moment is Europe and the political machinations that are happening. And even that will not be economic suicide for the UK.

Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 14th February 14:04
Economic suicide = putting yourself at a severe disadvantage to the opposition. It's an obvious, irrefutable, consequence of a pointless unnecessary policy.
Can you imagine how prosperous this country would be unhindered by debt - instead of spending the same amount on useless green tripe?
And yes, unless something is pulled out the hat fast, lights will go out at some point as a consequence of this ideological unscientific trash.

Edited by Mr GrimNasty on Saturday 14th February 14:43
That useless green tripe according to you is creating plenty of jobs here in Yorkshire.Doggerbank new wind turbines to be build also Siemens is starting soon.What we are short of is apprentices to take on this challenge.Under investments for years and big companies not giving enough young people a change has been hindering our prosperity.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

172 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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Foppo said:
That useless green tripe according to you is creating plenty of jobs here in Yorkshire.Doggerbank new wind turbines to be build also Siemens is starting soon.What we are short of is apprentices to take on this challenge.Under investments for years and big companies not giving enough young people a change has been hindering our prosperity.
How is a communist tractor factory mentality creating prosperity?

These aren't proper jobs, they are a fraud leeched off other hard working people, for nothing, not energy security, not saving the planet, nothing.

So you're all right Jack because you are on the gravy train. Well done. Enjoy your parasitic job whilst old people are dieing in misery.

And it's been well proven 'green' jobs COST far more jobs than they create, like any parasitic drain on free enterprise.
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