Brexit Poll 1/2/16

[CaptainSlow]

Probably linked to from another forum. Alternatively, the students have got out of bed.

[CaptainSlow]

anonymous said:

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Very few people want to stay, but many are too scared to leave. Good job the country had more backbone in 1939, but the Germans have got there in the end.

[Scuffers]

anonymous said:

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I know what you mean, I think in the last month I have only meet one person that's in the remain camp, been a few don't knows, but almost all are for exit.

Mind you, this is the same as before the GE in terms of finding a labour voter...

[Mario149]

turbobloke said:

Mario149 said:

Anyone else noticed that the poll initially showed ~70% voting to leave for the first week it was up but is now showing ~50%

Yes it was certainly well above 50% though if we add in 'leaning towards leave' it's still over 70%.

Adding the "leaners" I think it's gone from about ~80% after a week to 72%. Leave Leaners have increased a bit it seems and Leave Absolutes have dropped a bit more

[Esseesse]

Scuffers said:

anonymous said:

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I know what you mean, I think in the last month I have only meet one person that's in the remain camp, been a few don't knows, but almost all are for exit.

Mind you, this is the same as before the GE in terms of finding a labour voter...

I don't bother talking to many people about politics, but from the opinions I do know or overhear, I know of very few who want to leave. Fortunately the one person I know who definitely does agree with me is my OH!

There are rarely comments on my Facebook about the referendum/EU, but when there are it's normally a liberal (often for me from someone quite academia/ivory tower) from school posting something pro-EU.

[anonymous-user]

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[turbobloke]

garyhun said:

Bloody Remainians!

I see what you did there.

[fido]

I sense this Brexit is getting a bit nasty. Having hinted that i'm not a fan of the EU in the past (probably during the Euro elections) one of my Italian colleagues was gloating at the falling £/Euro chart on his screen and made some gestures towards me. To which I blurted "Well at least we can devalue our currency!". This did not go down too well.

[Jimmyarm]

turbobloke said:

Mario149 said:

Anyone else noticed that the poll initially showed ~70% voting to leave for the first week it was up but is now showing ~50%

Yes it was certainly well above 50% though if we add in 'leaning towards leave' it's still over 70%.

It would be interesting to redo the poll, but have a requirement that to vote you have to have been a member for 1 month or more.

That would rule out outside influence, not sure if the mods could/would do it though.

[anonymous-user]

Well so far I am confused, we have two choices stay with the re-negotiated terms or leave.

What exactly does leave mean? Does it mean leave the EU and be part of the EEA (European Economic Area) or be a completely separate country like the US or India, etc.

Thanks

[Mario149]

gottans said:

What exactly does leave mean? Does it mean leave the EU and be part of the EEA (European Economic Area) or be a completely separate country like the US or India, etc.

No-one knows yet....

[Pan Pan Pan]

gottans said:

Well so far I am confused, we have two choices stay with the re-negotiated terms or leave.

What exactly does leave mean? Does it mean leave the EU and be part of the EEA (European Economic Area) or be a completely separate country like the US or India, etc.

Thanks

What re negotiated terms? Unless the so called DEAL that CMD `won' is written into EU treaty, it can be rescinded at any time.
The EU has stated categorically that it is not going change any treaties anytime soon, if at all.

[Pan Pan Pan]

currybum said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

What re negotiated terms? Unless the so called DEAL that CMD `won' is written into EU treaty, it can be rescinded at any time.
The EU has stated categorically that it is not going change any treaties anytime soon, if at all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35653155

When dealing with a corrupt organization which has in the past stated it would amend its corrupt ways, `if' we give them extra billions of UK taxpayers cash every year, on top of the UK already being the second largest net contributor into EU coffers, but which then took the cash, and made no changes whatsoever to its corrupt ways, I would take nothing less than treaty change as being any kind of guarantee. The EU has stated there will be NO treaty change.

[turbobloke]

currybum said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

When dealing with a corrupt organization which has in the past stated it would amend its corrupt ways, `if' we give them extra billions of UK taxpayers cash every year, on top of the UK already being the second largest net contributor into EU coffers, but which then took the cash, and made no changes whatsoever to its corrupt ways, I would take nothing less than treaty change as being any kind of guarantee. The EU has stated there will be NO treaty change.

If you don't believe anything stated from EU officials, then there is really no discussion to be had with you.

If so, surely it means that there's no (meaningful) discussion to be had with EU officials.

[Pan Pan Pan]

currybum said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

When dealing with a corrupt organization which has in the past stated it would amend its corrupt ways, `if' we give them extra billions of UK taxpayers cash every year, on top of the UK already being the second largest net contributor into EU coffers, but which then took the cash, and made no changes whatsoever to its corrupt ways, I would take nothing less than treaty change as being any kind of guarantee. The EU has stated there will be NO treaty change.

If you don't believe anything stated from EU officials, then there is really no discussion to be had with you.

How can I believe anything stated from EU officials, with their factual track record of bullying, lies and corruption? The real wonder is that you, or anyone can find a way of believing `anything' they `say'.

[London424]

currybum said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

When dealing with a corrupt organization which has in the past stated it would amend its corrupt ways, `if' we give them extra billions of UK taxpayers cash every year, on top of the UK already being the second largest net contributor into EU coffers, but which then took the cash, and made no changes whatsoever to its corrupt ways, I would take nothing less than treaty change as being any kind of guarantee. The EU has stated there will be NO treaty change.

If you don't believe anything stated from EU officials, then there is really no discussion to be had with you.

Which politician do we believe though?

http://order-order.com/2016/02/25/hungarian-pm-boa...

[turbobloke]

currybum said:

turbobloke said:

If so, surely it means that there's no (meaningful) discussion to be had with EU officials.

If you have an absolute position regardless of the detail of what is being said or other evidence then there is little point in having a discussion.

Just like if the people you're speaking with are a bit heavy with the terminological inexactitudes and make the rest up as they go along.

Preconceived notions based on track record are resonably held, better known as background information.

[Pan Pan Pan]

currybum said:

turbobloke said:

If so, surely it means that there's no (meaningful) discussion to be had with EU officials.

If you have an absolute position regardless of the detail of what is being said or other evidence then there is little point in having a discussion.

You can't have a meaningful discussion with anyone who has preconceived opinions based on ideology who are unlikely to ever change their mind regardless of changing evidence.

Precisely, So can we now assume you will be voting OUT in the referendum, or are you going to ignore the factual history of our relationship with what has now become the EU?

[Potatoes]

Mario149 said:

gottans said:

What exactly does leave mean? Does it mean leave the EU and be part of the EEA (European Economic Area) or be a completely separate country like the US or India, etc.

No-one knows yet....

From what I understand, and I may be wrong; we're going to vote to leave the EU. If we vote to leave, we become like Norway and Switzerland in that we will be part of the EEA, but not the EU.

[BlackLabel]

The actual opinion polls, now that we've had a few, look a bit different to the PH polls. Are we all out of touch here?



http://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/poll-of-p...




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_...