Muslim protests in UK
Discussion
Marf said:
Read this earlier. Lunatics. Religion used to justify a bit of random theft, violence and hatred.There's also the consistent use of modern tools yet the hatred and vilification of those said tools. I saw a picture yesterday of Abu Hamza, one of his sidekicks / minders / henchmen was wearing an Armani beanie hat. I regularly see women in a hijab or burkha trailing men in Nikes etc.
Do as I say not do as I do seems to be the rule here.
"I want my wife in the middle ages but I get to shop in JD innit"
Hackney said:
Marf said:
Read this earlier. Lunatics. Religion used to justify a bit of random theft, violence and hatred.
Good to see the Bangladeshi Govt have condemned it and are trying to make reparations.
Without wishing to harp on, it's a bit like saying that UK "Yoof" were protesting against the "System" when they rioted last year. No, that's a pathetic half-excuse. They rioted because generally there were scrotes and they saw an opportunity to benefit themselves.
Hackney said:
Read this earlier. Lunatics. Religion used to justify a bit of random theft, violence and hatred.
There's also the consistent use of modern tools yet the hatred and vilification of those said tools. I saw a picture yesterday of Abu Hamza, one of his sidekicks / minders / henchmen was wearing an Armani beanie hat. I regularly see women in a hijab or burkha trailing men in Nikes etc.
Do as I say not do as I do seems to be the rule here.
"I want my wife in the middle ages but I get to shop in JD innit"
My wife wasn't raised in the UK and doesn't wear the Burka. However my cousin's wife is a Nurse, born and bred in the UK, and she DOES wear a Burka. My cousin isn't religious at all. he'd prefer that she didn't as "it's like walking around with a lamppost". The thing is, she's free to make her own choices, he can't force her NOT to wear it. damned if you do, damned if you don't There's also the consistent use of modern tools yet the hatred and vilification of those said tools. I saw a picture yesterday of Abu Hamza, one of his sidekicks / minders / henchmen was wearing an Armani beanie hat. I regularly see women in a hijab or burkha trailing men in Nikes etc.
Do as I say not do as I do seems to be the rule here.
"I want my wife in the middle ages but I get to shop in JD innit"
ps IME it's more the UK born and bred muslim girls who seem to be keen on traditional dress.
Mermaid said:
Countdown said:
IME it's more the UK born and bred muslim girls who seem to be keen on traditional dress.
Exercise the freedom here because you can in a tolerant society. How would they cope in Pakistan - would that society look down at the western attitudes of these girls?Countdown said:
My wife wasn't raised in the UK and doesn't wear the Burka. However my cousin's wife is a Nurse, born and bred in the UK, and she DOES wear a Burka. My cousin isn't religious at all. he'd prefer that she didn't as "it's like walking around with a lamppost". The thing is, she's free to make her own choices, he can't force her NOT to wear it. damned if you do, damned if you don't
ps IME it's more the UK born and bred muslim girls who seem to be keen on traditional dress.
That doesn't say a whole lot to me, other than she is mentally ill. ps IME it's more the UK born and bred muslim girls who seem to be keen on traditional dress.
I'm sorry, you may well think that I'm just being abusive, perhaps racist or islamaphobic. But to walk around dressed as a pepper pot for whatever reason and whether you are forced/expected to or not, is just to be mentally ill and insireped by her religion to do so.
Edited by Mr_B on Monday 1st October 15:35
Mr_B said:
That doesn't say a whole lot to me, other than she is mentally ill.
I'm sorry, you may well think that I'm just being abusive, perhaps racist or islamaphobic. But to walk around dressed as a pepper pot for whatever reason and weather you are forced/expected to or not, is just to be mentally ill and insireped by her religion to do so.
Islam is not a race..I'm sorry, you may well think that I'm just being abusive, perhaps racist or islamaphobic. But to walk around dressed as a pepper pot for whatever reason and weather you are forced/expected to or not, is just to be mentally ill and insireped by her religion to do so.
Art0ir said:
Mr_B said:
That doesn't say a whole lot to me, other than she is mentally ill.
I'm sorry, you may well think that I'm just being abusive, perhaps racist or islamaphobic. But to walk around dressed as a pepper pot for whatever reason and weather you are forced/expected to or not, is just to be mentally ill and insireped by her religion to do so.
Islam is not a race..I'm sorry, you may well think that I'm just being abusive, perhaps racist or islamaphobic. But to walk around dressed as a pepper pot for whatever reason and weather you are forced/expected to or not, is just to be mentally ill and insireped by her religion to do so.
Countdown said:
I posted links from the MCB earlier on. There was condemnation from the Quillam Foundation. I know that the Lancashire Council of Mosques have issued stuff condemning the the grooming gangs. Along similar lines this is stuff that is happening in Bradford;
Bradford Islamic Forum
I'm not really sure what else you want. If you're asking why there haven't been widescale marches by the "moderate majority" of muslims, its probably for the same reason why there haven't been widescale marches by the moderate majority of Christians (unless of course you view the BNP or EDL as being representative of the moderate majority).
A slightly disingenuous argument, to be fair.Bradford Islamic Forum
I'm not really sure what else you want. If you're asking why there haven't been widescale marches by the "moderate majority" of muslims, its probably for the same reason why there haven't been widescale marches by the moderate majority of Christians (unless of course you view the BNP or EDL as being representative of the moderate majority).
I can see no way that marches by 'the moderate majority of christians' protesting against acts by muslims would not be misinterpreted.
However, as you mention the BNP and EDL, I can remember large marches by predominantly white people protesting against them. I took part in a couple.
If there is a (perceived or otherwise) ethnic divide on these issues, is not condemnation by members of the same community a far more effective weapon than that by another?
robm3 said:
I thought his response was quite interesting actually. The (accepted) diversity of PH makes this such a great forum.
Agreed. I'd like to see more posts from 968 and people from a similar ethnic background. To be honest he seems like a thouroughly well to do nice chap. The more opinions the better, it makes for interesting reading.
I never see any issues being discussed to this level in such an unmoderated way. Its refreshing.
Mr_B said:
That doesn't say a whole lot to me, other than she is mentally ill.
I'm sorry, you may well think that I'm just being abusive, perhaps racist or islamaphobic. But to walk around dressed as a pepper pot for whatever reason and weather you are forced/expected to or not, is just to be mentally ill and insireped by her religion to do so.
I've not really spoken to her tbh. However my understanding is that she considers it a "respectable" form of dress. I.e not like a trollop. I definitely don't see her as mentally ill, any more than I consider women in miniskirts and crop tops mentally ill. Our country permits freedom of choice for everybody, not freedom of choice "as long as you dress like we do".I'm sorry, you may well think that I'm just being abusive, perhaps racist or islamaphobic. But to walk around dressed as a pepper pot for whatever reason and weather you are forced/expected to or not, is just to be mentally ill and insireped by her religion to do so.
Same with freedom if speech. Not "we can say what we like but you can't".
Countdown said:
Mr_B said:
That doesn't say a whole lot to me, other than she is mentally ill.
I'm sorry, you may well think that I'm just being abusive, perhaps racist or islamaphobic. But to walk around dressed as a pepper pot for whatever reason and weather you are forced/expected to or not, is just to be mentally ill and insireped by her religion to do so.
I've not really spoken to her tbh. However my understanding is that she considers it a "respectable" form of dress. I.e not like a trollop. I definitely don't see her as mentally ill, any more than I consider women in miniskirts and crop tops mentally ill. Our country permits freedom of choice for everybody, not freedom of choice "as long as you dress like we do".I'm sorry, you may well think that I'm just being abusive, perhaps racist or islamaphobic. But to walk around dressed as a pepper pot for whatever reason and weather you are forced/expected to or not, is just to be mentally ill and insireped by her religion to do so.
Same with freedom if speech. Not "we can say what we like but you can't".
s1962a said:
I would agree with the freedom of choice aspect. I read some reports of people thinking women in the UK wearing hijab or the veil are in someway downtrodden - like they might be in afghanistan, but clearly they've never met women like these as they'd realise how strong minded some of them are who can think for themselves.
Let's be honest. Islam teaches women to cover themselves up to save themselves the shame of being raped by men that can't keep their lad in their trousers at the sight of an ankle bone.Unless it's some kind of counter-culture thing, I can't see the Hijab being worn by anyone thinking for themselves.
smegmore said:
Then where is the outraged voice of the moderate majority of 'the religion of peace and tolerance' when gang-based child molestation/honour killings/forced marriages occur time after time?
There is a deafening silence within a certain community with a mountain village mentality totally at odds in the western world, or any world beyond that of a thousand years ago, following a philosophy that belongs back in the Stone-Age who don't shout very loudly around my way except when they have some perceived insult from the degenerate kuffar.
The moral of the story here is...either fit in or f
k off. There's plenty of space in Armpitstan or any number of other primitive backwaters where you would be welcomed with open arms as 'brothers' and you can be amongst your own particular brand of pious prehistoric fkwits.
Yes, and the fact is that the VAST majority have fit in and live decent, law abiding lives and get on with their life and contribute to this society. If they didn't there'd be a hell of a lot more problems from the entire 5 million you seem to be able to lump together. It's as ridiculous a notion to lump together, all the white British inhabitants of the UK and equate their actions to that of say Dale Creagan or some other violent psychopath. And before you bang on with righteous indignation about 'deafening silences' I note that already certain members of society have setup facebook pages praising Creagan actions in the same way that Raoul Moat was idolised. Does this represent the true feeling of the 50 million other british people? Of course it doesn't. As a matter of fact there has been a lot of condemnation and discussion about the issues in Rochdale, I know people who live there and work there and worship there and there has been nothing but disgust about the actions of these sick and evil men. There is a deafening silence within a certain community with a mountain village mentality totally at odds in the western world, or any world beyond that of a thousand years ago, following a philosophy that belongs back in the Stone-Age who don't shout very loudly around my way except when they have some perceived insult from the degenerate kuffar.
The moral of the story here is...either fit in or f
k off. There's plenty of space in Armpitstan or any number of other primitive backwaters where you would be welcomed with open arms as 'brothers' and you can be amongst your own particular brand of pious prehistoric fkwits.You're final paragraph does you little credit and represents the dimwitted and rather cretinous attitude of the BNP/EDL. I hope the inarticulate nature of if is simply the lack of control that anger brings. I could have been a lot more rude to you, with the accusations you liberally throw around, but I haven't been, perhaps you should extend the same courtesy when discussing such an issue to other posters, no matter what their origins are.
Art0ir said:
s1962a said:
I would agree with the freedom of choice aspect. I read some reports of people thinking women in the UK wearing hijab or the veil are in someway downtrodden - like they might be in afghanistan, but clearly they've never met women like these as they'd realise how strong minded some of them are who can think for themselves.
Let's be honest. Islam teaches women to cover themselves up to save themselves the shame of being raped by men that can't keep their lad in their trousers at the sight of an ankle bone.Unless it's some kind of counter-culture thing, I can't see the Hijab being worn by anyone thinking for themselves.
Incidentally, do you know any women that wear the sheitel or tichel?
Art0ir said:
Let's be honest. Islam teaches women to cover themselves up to save themselves the shame of being raped by men that can't keep their lad in their trousers at the sight of an ankle bone.
Unless it's some kind of counter-culture thing, I can't see the Hijab being worn by anyone thinking for themselves.
No, it doesn't. And most Muslim women don't wear hijab, none of the female members of my family, either in this country or my extended family who live in Pakistan, Kenya and elsewhere in the world wear hijab or have ever worn it. I also inherently feel that the wearing of it is odd and unusual and could not be a choice, but some people I've spoken to are adamant that they find it 'liberating' to not be judged by societal norms and the beauty industry. I've never quite grasped that to be honest, particularly when they are just as likely to be covered in make up underneath!Unless it's some kind of counter-culture thing, I can't see the Hijab being worn by anyone thinking for themselves.
968 said:
Art0ir said:
Let's be honest. Islam teaches women to cover themselves up to save themselves the shame of being raped by men that can't keep their lad in their trousers at the sight of an ankle bone.
Unless it's some kind of counter-culture thing, I can't see the Hijab being worn by anyone thinking for themselves.
No, it doesn't. And most Muslim women don't wear hijab, none of the female members of my family, either in this country or my extended family who live in Pakistan, Kenya and elsewhere in the world wear hijab or have ever worn it. I also inherently feel that the wearing of it is odd and unusual and could not be a choice, but some people I've spoken to are adamant that they find it 'liberating' to not be judged by societal norms and the beauty industry. I've never quite grasped that to be honest, particularly when they are just as likely to be covered in make up underneath!Unless it's some kind of counter-culture thing, I can't see the Hijab being worn by anyone thinking for themselves.
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