Brexit Poll 1/2/16
Poll: Brexit Poll 1/2/16
Total Members Polled: 1469
Discussion
It is all a bit strange mind,internet seems totally at odds with official polls,as I've mentioned before,around 8 of 10 forum polls support leave,I only know one person voting remain and the open poll at poll station has leave at 80 something percent along with a Twitter poll I saw favouring leave.
Maybe were all gobby gits online.
Maybe were all gobby gits online.
Funkycoldribena said:
It is all a bit strange mind,internet seems totally at odds with official polls,as I've mentioned before,around 8 of 10 forum polls support leave,I only know one person voting remain and the open poll at poll station has leave at 80 something percent along with a Twitter poll I saw favouring leave.
Maybe were all gobby gits online.
It's the same as happened in the Scottish independence debate, a small number of very vocal people making a lot of noise, and a much larger number of people saying little but voting for the safe option. Maybe were all gobby gits online.
Leave has concentrated on preaching to the converted with sovereignty and immigration issues, but 'it's the economy, stupid' and the wider electorate aren't persuaded by the 'trust us, what could possibly go wrong...' approach that the faithful lap up.
I can see a stay vote happening. Can't get my head around why anyone would vote for it, but it's looking like a possibility.
As I have mentioned before though, I can't see how a leave vote would be allowed. It just isn't in the best interests of the government and the other power brokers to be faced with a leave majority.
As I have mentioned before though, I can't see how a leave vote would be allowed. It just isn't in the best interests of the government and the other power brokers to be faced with a leave majority.
BlackLabel said:
The actual opinion polls, now that we've had a few, look a bit different to the PH polls. Are we all out of touch here?
Considering most of the vocal types in here seem to have voted UKIP in the GE, I think you may be on to something 
Truth is, this particular backwater of PH forums (a site dedicated to what is, lets face it, pure materialism) is host to a fair number of extremist right wingers who seem to think that their views on here somehow meaningfully reflect those in the real world outside. Then get all shocked & amazed when that clearly isn't the case.
UKIP holding the balance of power in parliament? I clearly remember several nut-job PH'ers all reverentially nodding in agreement to that last year as if a given.
Edited by zygalski on Saturday 21st May 15:08
zygalski said:
Considering most of the vocal types in here seem to have voted UKIP in the GE, I think you may be on to something
Truth is, this particular backwater of PH forums (a site dedicated to what is, lets face it, pure materialism) is host to a fair number of extremist right wingers who seem to think that their views on here somehow meaningfully reflect those in the real world outside. Then get all shocked & amazed when that clearly isn't the case.
UKIP holding the balance of power in parliament? I clearly remember several nut-job PH'ers all reverentially nodding in agreement to that last year as if a given.
So why are the majority of other forums polls similar to here? Are they all right wingers as well?Truth is, this particular backwater of PH forums (a site dedicated to what is, lets face it, pure materialism) is host to a fair number of extremist right wingers who seem to think that their views on here somehow meaningfully reflect those in the real world outside. Then get all shocked & amazed when that clearly isn't the case.
UKIP holding the balance of power in parliament? I clearly remember several nut-job PH'ers all reverentially nodding in agreement to that last year as if a given.
Edited by zygalski on Saturday 21st May 15:08
zygalski said:
Considering most of the vocal types in here seem to have voted UKIP in the GE, I think you may be on to something
Truth is, this particular back water of PH forums (a site dedicated to what is, lets face pure materialism) is host to a fair number of extremist right wingers who seem to think that their views on here somehow hold sway in the real world outside.
Thank god that clearly isn't the case!
Many of us right wingers want to remain in the EU, this isn't a left/right issue. There will be plenty of city types anxious about the prospect of losing access to the EU market via passporting, and many of us capitalist swine who've done very well competing in the single market will be unconvinced by the 'they need us more than we need them' reassurances from the leave side.Truth is, this particular back water of PH forums (a site dedicated to what is, lets face pure materialism) is host to a fair number of extremist right wingers who seem to think that their views on here somehow hold sway in the real world outside.
Thank god that clearly isn't the case!
Edited by zygalski on Saturday 21st May 15:03
Just as in the Scottish debate, those with different views get shouted down and insulted so stop posting, the debate is then dominated by posters who are largely in agreement with each other giving the illusion of unanimity.
Funkycoldribena said:
So why are the majority of other forums polls similar to here? Are they all right wingers as well?
I think it's thisRYH64E said:
Just as in the Scottish debate, those with different views get shouted down and insulted so stop posting, the debate is then dominated by posters who are largely in agreement with each other giving the illusion of unanimity.
The leavers seem to be more evangelical about the cause than the remainers. Same with UKIP and the scot referendum and also Labour supporters on twitter ahead of last year's election. There does appear to be a fervour amongst those who want Brexit on here that isn't matched by those who want to stay in. I am on the fence/leaning towards vote leave but don't get that involved in the debate on here as some of the Brexiteers seem a little loony, and life's too short.Funkycoldribena said:
zygalski said:
Considering most of the vocal types in here seem to have voted UKIP in the GE, I think you may be on to something
Truth is, this particular backwater of PH forums (a site dedicated to what is, lets face it, pure materialism) is host to a fair number of extremist right wingers who seem to think that their views on here somehow meaningfully reflect those in the real world outside. Then get all shocked & amazed when that clearly isn't the case.
UKIP holding the balance of power in parliament? I clearly remember several nut-job PH'ers all reverentially nodding in agreement to that last year as if a given.
So why are the majority of other forums polls similar to here? Are they all right wingers as well?Truth is, this particular backwater of PH forums (a site dedicated to what is, lets face it, pure materialism) is host to a fair number of extremist right wingers who seem to think that their views on here somehow meaningfully reflect those in the real world outside. Then get all shocked & amazed when that clearly isn't the case.
UKIP holding the balance of power in parliament? I clearly remember several nut-job PH'ers all reverentially nodding in agreement to that last year as if a given.
Edited by zygalski on Saturday 21st May 15:08
To which other polls which have similar results do you refer to?
Funkycoldribena said:
Shouty types might put off people posting but I doubt it puts them off voting in the poll on whatever forum.
But what percentage of PH posters even visit this section of the website? I don't know but I guess it would be low. Most people are here to talk about cars so your average casual observer, and probably remainer, is probably not even aware this poll exists.Most people I know think forums are for weirdos anyway so I don't think polls on them are ever going to be representative of the wider populace.
If we leave its economic breakdown, ww3 and bendy bananas.
That's the leave story, but it suggests nothing will change if we stay. So nothing about giving a mandate for stronger political integration, issues with the euro or the immigrant crisis looming with Turkey and Albanian joining.
Either option has change but lets remember we are the fifth largest global economy, we trade more outside europe than within, figures for exports are skewed by the use of Dutch ports, we are one of Germany and Frances biggest export markets, why isn't Thi discussed?
As for the ukip vote last time, lets remember overall they got the 2nd highest number of votes.
I'm for brexit but wont cry if we remain. I may however start looking at contracts outside the eu
That's the leave story, but it suggests nothing will change if we stay. So nothing about giving a mandate for stronger political integration, issues with the euro or the immigrant crisis looming with Turkey and Albanian joining.
Either option has change but lets remember we are the fifth largest global economy, we trade more outside europe than within, figures for exports are skewed by the use of Dutch ports, we are one of Germany and Frances biggest export markets, why isn't Thi discussed?
As for the ukip vote last time, lets remember overall they got the 2nd highest number of votes.
I'm for brexit but wont cry if we remain. I may however start looking at contracts outside the eu
FWIW and in attempt to provide some answer to some of the questions posted directly above I give as evidence - myself.
I'm right of centre, I'm not in any way shouty or heavily built. I'm not a company director and I don't throw cans of Red Bull. I doubt many of my friends, family or colleagues would consider me to be obnoxious. My academic training was in Politics. Over the years I have learnt that political threads on PH are frequently horrible places so tend to ignore them. As an example this is the first time I have read or posted on any of the numerous threads on the topic of the EU referendum because rightly or wrongly I had made prejudicial assumptions about its tone and content. I have only read the current "last" page. I have not voted in the Poll.
I will not be voting Leave. For the removal of doubt that is not because I believe the EU to be an unqualified success or indisputably A Good Thing. I sincerely believe a big old chunk of it is bad or worse. Yet I do not believe leaving it would be wise. I hope Remain prevails but also hope the powers that be don't mistake that as unequivocal support from the British nation. I am under no illusion, however, that my preferred version of the EU would ever be realised so I will have to put up with the least worst option available to me and that is to Remain.
So I'm another of the silent Remainers. At least I was.
My prediction is of a very tight vote for Remain. Possibly made tighter by a good turnout for the Leavers and a lower turnout for the Remainers. I have a genuine fear the vote may go the other way, mind.
I'm right of centre, I'm not in any way shouty or heavily built. I'm not a company director and I don't throw cans of Red Bull. I doubt many of my friends, family or colleagues would consider me to be obnoxious. My academic training was in Politics. Over the years I have learnt that political threads on PH are frequently horrible places so tend to ignore them. As an example this is the first time I have read or posted on any of the numerous threads on the topic of the EU referendum because rightly or wrongly I had made prejudicial assumptions about its tone and content. I have only read the current "last" page. I have not voted in the Poll.
I will not be voting Leave. For the removal of doubt that is not because I believe the EU to be an unqualified success or indisputably A Good Thing. I sincerely believe a big old chunk of it is bad or worse. Yet I do not believe leaving it would be wise. I hope Remain prevails but also hope the powers that be don't mistake that as unequivocal support from the British nation. I am under no illusion, however, that my preferred version of the EU would ever be realised so I will have to put up with the least worst option available to me and that is to Remain.
So I'm another of the silent Remainers. At least I was.
My prediction is of a very tight vote for Remain. Possibly made tighter by a good turnout for the Leavers and a lower turnout for the Remainers. I have a genuine fear the vote may go the other way, mind.
zygalski said:
To which other polls which have similar results do you refer to?
Not directed at me but I thought we'd had this open poll on one of the threads, with commentary form PHers.http://www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/poll/
Remain 14%
Leave 82%
54678 votes
I sincerely hope that if the vote is to remain, the media, voters and political parties will continue to put our membership of the EU under much more scrutiny. For far too long the EU has been running along in the background, now much good has come of the Union, however there are many, many negatives as we are all well aware. It is time now that the EU becomes a long term political topic of key importance, not just have the referendum be the hot topic and then 1 year post-vote end up with the EU being a second tier news topic. There must be much more importance attached to elections for MEPs; what the country's MEPs are doing; what decisions are being made; how decisions are being made (and if democracy is at the heart of how those decisions have come to be) and so on. This for me should be the key lesson for the country & our politicians if the vote is to remain.
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