Another cyclist dies in London
Discussion
WinstonWolf said:
You said you want quicker journey times. Do you want them or do you not?
heebeegeetee said:
While the roads are choked with cars, how are electric vehicles going to be any faster?
Sigh! It's like dealing with 3 year olds. As my post says we need to invest in a proper infrastructure. It does say that in black and white, you may not agree, but to trot out the s
te above as responses is puerile and pathetic! Oh and just for your information the fastest method of transport in London is not the bike, but the tube!
cb1965 said:
WinstonWolf said:
You said you want quicker journey times. Do you want them or do you not?
heebeegeetee said:
While the roads are choked with cars, how are electric vehicles going to be any faster?
Sigh! It's like dealing with 3 year olds. As my post says we need to invest in a proper infrastructure. It does say that in black and white, you may not agree, but to trot out the ste above as responses is puerile and pathetic! Oh and just for your information the fastest method of transport in London is not the bike, but the tube!
What does invest in proper infrastructure mean?
cb1965 said:
Sigh! It's like dealing with 3 year olds. As my post says we need to invest in a proper infrastructure. It does say that in black and white, you may not agree, but to trot out the ste above as responses is puerile and pathetic!
Oh and just for your information the fastest method of transport in London is not the bike, but the tube!
So hold on, we are constantly being told that there isn't room for bicycle infrastructure - but your saying there is room for more cars, or more car infrastructure?te above as responses is puerile and pathetic! Oh and just for your information the fastest method of transport in London is not the bike, but the tube!
We have invested and invested and invested, and built and built and built again, and we have got ourself to the point where average journey times are the same as the horse and cart (in London, anyway. Here in Birmingham my daily commute is normally between 10 and 20 mph. In the evening it's much quicker than that, bit only because I eave work 1 hour later than I'd like to).
The traffic bulletins that we hear on the radio (which never have to mention bicycles, incidentally) are just long reports on delays due to accident. Sally Traffic makes those excellent reports, and listening to her repeated broadcasts it is one long stream of delays. Causes: Accident-accident-accident-accident-break down-accident-accident-accident-accident-road works-accident-accident-accident-accident etc etc.
What is the point in constantly building roads when f
kwits just crash constantly? There is no point. I have up completely on supporting ever more rod building.This isn't an issue we can build out of, we have to think again.
England and the Netherlands vie to be the most congested country in Europe, but there is one key difference. In England, outside of London anyway, when the roads are ground to a halt as they very often are, nobody moves. In the Netherlands, when the roads have ground to a halt just as often as England, there are scores and scores of people still going about their business as normal, because the bicycle can still move.
The car isn't much younger than the bicycle, it is not new technology. Electric vehicles existed at the turn of the last century. It is really stretching a point, too far imo, to think that the motor car is the future. I don't think it is, not in cities.
cb1965 said:
WinstonWolf said:
You said you want quicker journey times. Do you want them or do you not?
heebeegeetee said:
While the roads are choked with cars, how are electric vehicles going to be any faster?
Sigh! It's like dealing with 3 year olds. As my post says we need to invest in a proper infrastructure. It does say that in black and white, you may not agree, but to trot out the ste above as responses is puerile and pathetic! Oh and just for your information the fastest method of transport in London is not the bike, but the tube!
http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/west-london-ne...
http://talklondon.london.gov.uk/getting-about/cycl...
People wouldn't cycle if public transport was quicker.
Your post also says you want shorter journey times *in black and white*.
It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Digby said:
Do any of the regular riders here who have young children let them ride helmet free?
When they're most likely to randomly fall off? I learned to ride without a helmet, never wore one till I was about 45 when my bones started breaking more easily. Learned to ride a motorbike without a helmet too. We were tougher in those days
heebeegeetee said:
What is the point in constantly building roads when fkwits just crash constantly? There is no point. I have up completely on supporting ever more rod building.
This isn't an issue we can build out of, we have to think again.
England and the Netherlands vie to be the most congested country in Europe, but there is one key difference. In England, outside of London anyway, when the roads are ground to a halt as they very often are, nobody moves. In the Netherlands, when the roads have ground to a halt just as often as England, there are scores and scores of people still going about their business as normal, because the bicycle can still move.
There is another key difference. kwits just crash constantly? There is no point. I have up completely on supporting ever more rod building.This isn't an issue we can build out of, we have to think again.
England and the Netherlands vie to be the most congested country in Europe, but there is one key difference. In England, outside of London anyway, when the roads are ground to a halt as they very often are, nobody moves. In the Netherlands, when the roads have ground to a halt just as often as England, there are scores and scores of people still going about their business as normal, because the bicycle can still move.
The Netherlands has a much more extensive motorway network. The A-road network in the Netherlands (which is akin to UK motorways) extends to almost the same length as all the motorways in Great Britain - despite the Netherlands only being 1/5th of the area.
A quick look at Google maps shows how interconnected the Netherlands is by it's motorway network - it forms a web over the whole country. Similar story with France and Germany - albeit it's more spread out.
Great Britain's motorway network on the other hand is mainly concentrated in bands running north south and south east to south west and looks very patchy and disconnected by comparison.
Digby said:
Do any of the regular riders here who have young children let them ride helmet free?
Yes, I do. She doesn't ride on roads yet, just old railway lines and the park and so on. She isn't a very confident cyclist. She has a helmet, and sometimes chooses to wear it. I used to insist on her wearing it when she was learning, as like all of us, she learned by falling off a lot at low speed, which is rather different from being hit by a heavy thing at a higher speed. Now I don't insist, but sometimes she wants to wear it.Why do you ask?
I love cyclists.
Followed one for a while the other day, then he suddenly veered across the road without any indication, causing opposite car to do emergency stop, and then mounted the pedestrian pavement and turned round the corner and continued down the pavement.
Noticed he had earphones in too.
Of course this is probably all mine or the oncoming car owners fault, right?
Followed one for a while the other day, then he suddenly veered across the road without any indication, causing opposite car to do emergency stop, and then mounted the pedestrian pavement and turned round the corner and continued down the pavement.
Noticed he had earphones in too.
Of course this is probably all mine or the oncoming car owners fault, right?
twoblacklines said:
I love cyclists.
Followed one for a while the other day, then he suddenly veered across the road without any indication, causing opposite car to do emergency stop, and then mounted the pedestrian pavement and turned round the corner and continued down the pavement.
Noticed he had earphones in too.
Of course this is probably all mine or the oncoming car owners fault, right?
Says the man who is too fat to cycle...Followed one for a while the other day, then he suddenly veered across the road without any indication, causing opposite car to do emergency stop, and then mounted the pedestrian pavement and turned round the corner and continued down the pavement.
Noticed he had earphones in too.
Of course this is probably all mine or the oncoming car owners fault, right?
blugnu said:
Yes, I do. She doesn't ride on roads yet, just old railway lines and the park and so on. She isn't a very confident cyclist. She has a helmet, and sometimes chooses to wear it. I used to insist on her wearing it when she was learning, as like all of us, she learned by falling off a lot at low speed, which is rather different from being hit by a heavy thing at a higher speed. Now I don't insist, but sometimes she wants to wear it.
Why do you ask?
I was just curious if people thought it offered protection in some form or another.Why do you ask?
twoblacklines said:
I love cyclists.
Followed one for a while the other day, then he suddenly veered across the road without any indication, causing opposite car to do emergency stop, and then mounted the pedestrian pavement and turned round the corner and continued down the pavement.
Noticed he had earphones in too.
Of course this is probably all mine or the oncoming car owners fault, right?
I love motorists.Followed one for a while the other day, then he suddenly veered across the road without any indication, causing opposite car to do emergency stop, and then mounted the pedestrian pavement and turned round the corner and continued down the pavement.
Noticed he had earphones in too.
Of course this is probably all mine or the oncoming car owners fault, right?
Followed one for a while the other day, then he suddenly veered across the bus lane to turn left without any indication, causing a cyclist travelling down it to do emergency stop. Noticed he had a handsfree kit in too.
Of course this is probably all the fault of the cyclist, right?
cb1965 said:
Mave said:
The people who pass the legislations, and increase the penalties aren't everyone are they?
The fact that you refer to them as "stupid militant road safety groups" implies that you don't agree with them.
If everyone pushed for motorists to follow the rules, and for sanctions when they don't then surely there would be no motorists breaking rules, and no complaints on pistonheads about the penalties, would there?
So yes, I'm for real, I don't see everyone pushing for motorists to follow the rules, and for sanctions when they don't.
No I don't agree with them.The fact that you refer to them as "stupid militant road safety groups" implies that you don't agree with them.
If everyone pushed for motorists to follow the rules, and for sanctions when they don't then surely there would be no motorists breaking rules, and no complaints on pistonheads about the penalties, would there?
So yes, I'm for real, I don't see everyone pushing for motorists to follow the rules, and for sanctions when they don't.
saaby93 said:
If HBGT mentions Netherlands one more time can we treat it the same as having said Jehova ?
(where's that pile of rocks)
London isn't the same as Netherlands
In what way do London suburbs differ from any other large suburban setting found widely throughout Europe?(where's that pile of rocks)
London isn't the same as Netherlands
Someone earlier mentioned that London is a medieval city. Like much of Europe isn't.
cb1965 said:
I was assuming we would discount pedestrians as really they are not road users in the sense being discussed here, but of course assuming anything on here is a massive mistake and I should have learned that by now.
>>Research on drivers’ attitudes to cyclists has shown that people in car-centric countries such as the UK sometimes don’t view those on bike and on foot as “proper” road users, and at times treat them as if they shouldn’t be on the road at all.<<https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/sep/28/wil...
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