Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

[don4l]

p1stonhead said:

See im not convinced we will leave the single market or do away with the free movement of people. At least not fully (but it remains to be seen if this will be possible). This opens a lot more possibilities.

The next few months will be very interesting.

I suspect that you are younger than I am.

It is very easy to do away with the "free movement of people".

My wife is Spanish. We got married before Spain joined the EEC. We turned up at Heathrow with a Spanish wedding certificate. It took 5 minutes to get her passport stamped with a residency visa. The immigration official told us that we could use the "UK" channel in future.

I mentioned this before, and apparently it is more difficult these days.

[p1stonhead]

don4l said:

p1stonhead said:

See im not convinced we will leave the single market or do away with the free movement of people. At least not fully (but it remains to be seen if this will be possible). This opens a lot more possibilities.

The next few months will be very interesting.

I suspect that you are younger than I am.

It is very easy to do away with the "free movement of people".

My wife is Spanish. We got married before Spain joined the EEC. We turned up at Heathrow with a Spanish wedding certificate. It took 5 minutes to get her passport stamped with a residency visa. The immigration official told us that we could use the "UK" channel in future.

I mentioned this before, and apparently it is more difficult these days.

I never said it wasn't possible, I just don't think the government wants it and will try to keep it somehow. As i said, not sure how they would go about it but I think they will try.

[davepoth]

p1stonhead said:

I never said it wasn't possible, I just don't think the government wants it and will try to keep it somehow. As i said, not sure how they would go about it but I think they will try.

It's not possible; the EU won't let us, and for Theresa May it's tantamount to political suicide.

[don4l]

p1stonhead said:

don4l said:

p1stonhead said:

See im not convinced we will leave the single market or do away with the free movement of people. At least not fully (but it remains to be seen if this will be possible). This opens a lot more possibilities.

The next few months will be very interesting.

I suspect that you are younger than I am.

It is very easy to do away with the "free movement of people".

My wife is Spanish. We got married before Spain joined the EEC. We turned up at Heathrow with a Spanish wedding certificate. It took 5 minutes to get her passport stamped with a residency visa. The immigration official told us that we could use the "UK" channel in future.

I mentioned this before, and apparently it is more difficult these days.

I never said it wasn't possible, I just don't think the government wants it and will try to keep it somehow. As i said, not sure how they would go about it but I think they will try.

davepoth has explained it succinctly.

I'm not sure what the government wants, but if they don't deliver what the people want, then we will have Nigel Farage as the next PM.

I think that Theresa May understands this, and she will act accordingly.

[don'tbesilly]

don4l said:

p1stonhead said:

don4l said:

p1stonhead said:

See im not convinced we will leave the single market or do away with the free movement of people. At least not fully (but it remains to be seen if this will be possible). This opens a lot more possibilities.

The next few months will be very interesting.

I suspect that you are younger than I am.

It is very easy to do away with the "free movement of people".

My wife is Spanish. We got married before Spain joined the EEC. We turned up at Heathrow with a Spanish wedding certificate. It took 5 minutes to get her passport stamped with a residency visa. The immigration official told us that we could use the "UK" channel in future.

I mentioned this before, and apparently it is more difficult these days.

I never said it wasn't possible, I just don't think the government wants it and will try to keep it somehow. As i said, not sure how they would go about it but I think they will try.

davepoth has explained it succinctly.

I'm not sure what the government wants, but if they don't deliver what the people want, then we will have Nigel Farage as the next PM.

I think that Theresa May understands this, and she will act accordingly.

It looks like Labour are finally getting the message also, and for some this won't go down very well:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brex...

[B'stard Child]

///ajd said:

FiF said:

I think you find I've already answered your questions in a post to another. Your questions were pathetic as they demonstrated you know absolutely nothing about the subject. Usually you are either ignored or laughed at, but this time it was appropriate someone stood up to you, and called you out on the utterly biased twaddle you posted. Now sod off and report me to the moderators for speaking the truth.

No thanks, I'll just point out why your blind hatred of the EU is clouding your objectivity. See above.

it always tickles me when people label any complaints about the EU as "Blind Hatred"

I quite like the allocation of MEP's - it's quite like the USA college and stops the major player from having to much influence - effectively we have the same with Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales

Member States	MEP's	Population	1 MEP per
Germany	96	80,682,351	840,441
France	74	64,668,129	873,894
U.K.	73	65,111,143	891,933
Italy	73	59,801,004	819,192
Spain	54	46,064,604	853,048
Poland	51	38,593,161	756,729
Romania	32	19,372,734	605,398
Netherlands	26	16,979,729	653,067
Greece	21	10,919,459	519,974
Belgium	21	11,371,928	541,520
Portugal	21	10,304,434	490,687
Czech Republic	21	10,548,058	502,288
Hungary	21	9,821,318	467,682
Sweden	20	9,851,852	492,593
Austria	18	8,569,633	476,091
Bulgaria	17	7,097,796	417,517
Denmark	13	5,690,750	437,750
Slovakia	13	5,429,418	417,648
Finland	13	5,523,904	424,916
Ireland	11	4,713,993	428,545
Croatia	11	4,225,001	384,091
Lithuania	11	2,850,030	259,094
Slovenia	8	2,069,362	258,670
Latvia	8	1,955,742	244,468
Estonia	6	1,309,104	218,184
Cyprus	6	1,176,598	196,100
Luxembourg	6	576,243	96,041
Malta	6	419,615	69,936
TOTAL	766	505,697,093	660,179

However whilst MEP's and representation of the countires of the EU are one thing - the five presidents and the commission well that's a different ball game

[catso]

richie99 said:

Sorry to have to tell you that there will be no bonfire of nutty EU laws.

I agree, we dot the i's and cross the t's on all the rules whilst some other EU countries interpret them more liberally.

If anything I expect more repressive regulation and enforcement of silly rules, such as the 'snoopers charter' and endless other laws, particularly 'compliance' rules where there is money to be made.

Bring on the bottom inspectors...

[B'stard Child]

I found a guardian article I like

https://www.theguardian.com/money/blog/2016/jun/18...

Of course actions have consequences

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/dec/29/u...

So he's a selfish st like me

[nightcruiser]

Not sure if this has been posted yet... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/01/j...

[basherX]

The attached article, by Andrew Marr of all people and in the New Statesman of all places, articulates quite nicely the rationale for why I chose to vote to leave and why I think that, as people start to understand the options that have opened up, a u-turn is increasingly unlikely.

An optimist's guide to Brexit

Andrew Marr said:

Wouldn’t it be healthier to decide that the Leave side’s victory was about what it said on the tin – reclaiming political control – and then ask ourselves what we can now do with that extra freedom?

For all of us who believe in British democratic culture, there can be exciting times ahead. The winds of change can be invigorating, not simply bloody cold.

[davepoth]

basherX said:

The attached article, by Andrew Marr of all people and in the New Statesman of all places, articulates quite nicely the rationale for why I chose to vote to leave and why I think that, as people start to understand the options that have opened up, a u-turn is increasingly unlikely.

An optimist's guide to Brexit

A very good article indeed - he's put a lot of thought into that.

[cloggy]

It will be alright on the night.

Feck Juncker and Schults the Germans and the French.

The EU is fooked, the French want out, the Dutch want out the Euro is a disaster.

I am glad the Brits told them to do one.

The whole card of house will collapse soon.

Believe me.

[///ajd]

Believe me?

[basherX]

///ajd said:

Believe me?

Isn't the logical consequence of this that we should just hand over decision making to a professional political class and be done with it? Or are you advocating five-yearly elections for airline pilots?

[///ajd]

basherX said:

///ajd said:

Believe me?

Isn't the logical consequence of this that we should just hand over decision making to a professional political class and be done with it?

No.

basherX said:

Or are you advocating five-yearly elections for airline pilots?

No.

[basherX]

///ajd said:

No.

Ah, so it's just another weak and inaccurate analogy passing as reasoned debate.

[///ajd]

basherX said:

///ajd said:

No.

Ah, so it's just another weak and inaccurate analogy passing as reasoned debate.

No.

Is it really that hard to grasp?

It seems so.

[basherX]

///ajd said:

basherX said:

///ajd said:

No.

Ah, so it's just another weak and inaccurate analogy passing as reasoned debate.

No.

Is it really that hard to grasp?

It seems so.

That we rely on qualified expertise for mass transit and democratic agreement for matters of governance? Not really.

Would you be posting that if the UK had voted to remain? (or rather, ripping off a tired meme from twitter/facebook) Of course not.

Petulant. Weak.

[don4l]

basherX said:

That we rely on qualified expertise for mass transit and democratic agreement for matters of governance? Not really.

Would you be posting that if the UK had voted to remain? (or rather, ripping off a tired meme from twitter/facebook) Of course not.

Petulant. Weak.

The conversation took a turn for the better on the last page because everyone was ignoring him.

For the first time in 6 months we were actually starting to have a proper discussion.

[///ajd]

basherX said:

///ajd said:

basherX said:

///ajd said:

No.

Ah, so it's just another weak and inaccurate analogy passing as reasoned debate.

No.

Is it really that hard to grasp?

It seems so.

That we rely on qualified expertise for mass transit and democratic agreement for matters of governance? Not really.

Would you be posting that if the UK had voted to remain? (or rather, ripping off a tired meme from twitter/facebook) Of course not.

Petulant. Weak.

Its more of a comment on the times we live in where increasingly some sections of society are rejecting the establishment and placing their hopes on some individuals that promise to solve all their ills. They do this by rubbishing those who maybe specialists in their field and use (often blatently nationalistic) techniques to win their flock over with pleasing soundbites but without tackling the real issues at stake.

There is irony in your accusation that the cartoon is weak in that such techniques tend to work most effectively on the weak minded. After all, you'd have to be a bit weak on critical thinking skills to let any old bloke fly an aircraft with no demonstrable training or skills. But he seems a decent sort that drinks pints and smokes tabs, so why not let him try, eh? Whats the worst that can happen, crash?