Islam and the West
Discussion
Countdown said:
HoHoHo said:
Perhaps we have some leaders who simply refuse to 'develop' a country as quickly as they could for their own gain?
I lived in Iran in the 70's and can assure you on a day-to-day basis it was pretty developed.
That was prior to Khomeini who had different ideas of how to run a country.
Genuine question - if it was that good why was the Shah overthrown?I lived in Iran in the 70's and can assure you on a day-to-day basis it was pretty developed.
That was prior to Khomeini who had different ideas of how to run a country.
However I'm sure the Shah did rule by fear and the Savak (savac?) were a force you didn't messed with. We certainly had one visit whilst we were away from our in Tehran flat and you simply accepted the fact they went through your personal items looking for whatever.
The Shah (and Pahlavi family) it would appear had many members of the general public who were disillusioned with the way the country was being governed and I'm pretty sure they simply saw Khomeini as a saviour from their day-to-day life, perhaps not so corrupt and not so 'in bed' with the Americans. However the day he arrived back from France Iran as a country went back years, decades more so which was a great shame.
I remember as a youngster one of the first questions we were always asked in any shop in Tehran was 'are you American?' If you said no we are English they accepted you, not so if you were a yank! Interesting the question of America being a trouble maker and disliked was already happening all those years ago, certainly not just recently!
No doubt there's much more to the answer than I can write but that's a view from me.
Nothing to worry about and everything is just rosy:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-280938...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-280938...
gpo746 said:
Nothing to worry about and everything is just rosy:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-280938...
Nothing to see here, just another rogue school. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-280938...
Excellent news.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28104499
"The others are stopped by Kent Police and questioned for hours. The group has 3,000 miles (4,830km) to travel to Syria, but at the moment they cannot get past Dover.
Eventually more news comes through from the rest of the group and it is not good.
"They've had a total of £25,000 in cash confiscated, which was meant for the people of Syria," Mr Jameel reports
Well done. Good Police work
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28104499
"The others are stopped by Kent Police and questioned for hours. The group has 3,000 miles (4,830km) to travel to Syria, but at the moment they cannot get past Dover.
Eventually more news comes through from the rest of the group and it is not good.
"They've had a total of £25,000 in cash confiscated, which was meant for the people of Syria," Mr Jameel reports
Well done. Good Police work
gpo746 said:
Excellent news.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28104499
"The others are stopped by Kent Police and questioned for hours. The group has 3,000 miles (4,830km) to travel to Syria, but at the moment they cannot get past Dover.
Eventually more news comes through from the rest of the group and it is not good.
"They've had a total of £25,000 in cash confiscated, which was meant for the people of Syria," Mr Jameel reports
Well done. Good Police work
thing is they're damned if they do damned if they don't... seriously what can they do?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28104499
"The others are stopped by Kent Police and questioned for hours. The group has 3,000 miles (4,830km) to travel to Syria, but at the moment they cannot get past Dover.
Eventually more news comes through from the rest of the group and it is not good.
"They've had a total of £25,000 in cash confiscated, which was meant for the people of Syria," Mr Jameel reports
Well done. Good Police work
KareemK said:
gpo746 said:
Well done. Good Police work
What, stopping a humanitarian aid convoy and taking their cash???Read that article again...these are 'good guys' who liased with police prior to departure.
In fact EXCELLENT Police work
Seizure of 25K cash - excellent.
gpo746 said:
KareemK said:
gpo746 said:
Well done. Good Police work
What, stopping a humanitarian aid convoy and taking their cash???Read that article again...these are 'good guys' who liased with police prior to departure.
In fact EXCELLENT Police work
Seizure of 25K cash - excellent.
KareemK said:
gpo746 said:
KareemK said:
gpo746 said:
Well done. Good Police work
What, stopping a humanitarian aid convoy and taking their cash???Read that article again...these are 'good guys' who liased with police prior to departure.
In fact EXCELLENT Police work
Seizure of 25K cash - excellent.
Bleeding hearts, "right on" attitudes/ benefit of the doubt has turned this country into a soft gullible one. Time for the situation to change and whilst cuddles Karim bay may love to take tins of beans over to the starving villagers in terrorist town it will and does arouse suspicion. 25 K I wonder how he raised all that ?
Seems funny that some people can show kinship with someone they dunno in a country far away on the pretext that they are all "brothers" but not bat two eyelids when his immediate indigenous population neighbour gets to be the victim of terrorism in the same country he lives in.
KareemK said:
gpo746 said:
KareemK said:
gpo746 said:
Well done. Good Police work
What, stopping a humanitarian aid convoy and taking their cash???Read that article again...these are 'good guys' who liased with police prior to departure.
In fact EXCELLENT Police work
Seizure of 25K cash - excellent.
popo "thanks AtDT, keep us posted"
AtDT "hi mr popo in a month I'll be driving to Syria to help out"
popo "that's cool AtDT, just remind us on the day"
AtDT "hi popo, it'smee"
popo "no worries AtDT, though you go"....
one month later AtDT, wow this boom vest is a really tight fi... "BOOM!"
a little childish I'll agree but surely you can see just because someone liaises with the powers that be doesn't mean they're automatically 'goodies'
irocfan said:
Abdul the dead terrorist: "hello mr police-man, in 2 months I'll be driving to Syria to help my brothers and sisters in faith in their fight against the murderously oppressive Western backed regime sorry I miss-spoke, their fight for survival. I'll be taking medicines etc"
popo "thanks AtDT, keep us posted"
AtDT "hi mr popo in a month I'll be driving to Syria to help out"
popo "that's cool AtDT, just remind us on the day"
AtDT "hi popo, it'smee"
popo "no worries AtDT, though you go"....
one month later AtDT, wow this boom vest is a really tight fi... "BOOM!"
a little childish I'll agree but surely you can see just because someone liaises with the powers that be doesn't mean they're automatically 'goodies'
How is Abdul talking if he is dead ? popo "thanks AtDT, keep us posted"
AtDT "hi mr popo in a month I'll be driving to Syria to help out"
popo "that's cool AtDT, just remind us on the day"
AtDT "hi popo, it'smee"
popo "no worries AtDT, though you go"....
one month later AtDT, wow this boom vest is a really tight fi... "BOOM!"
a little childish I'll agree but surely you can see just because someone liaises with the powers that be doesn't mean they're automatically 'goodies'
gpo746 said:
Well happen your the sort who thinks this all smells prim and proper.
Unless you can demonstrate otherwise? And in this instance can you?gpo746 said:
I don't simple as that and for that reason I think its good nay excellent police work and it prevents 25k getting into the hands of people I wouldn't wish to be near I am all in favour.
Well hopefully the desperate people this was meant for can receive it by other means.gpo746 said:
Bleeding hearts, "right on" attitudes/ benefit of the doubt has turned this country into a soft gullible one.
LOLgpo746 said:
Time for the situation to change and whilst cuddles Karim bay may love to take tins of beans over to the starving villagers in terrorist town it will and does arouse suspicion. 25 K I wonder how he raised all that?
The article spelled out how THEY raised that. It's all part of something that died out long ago in this country. gpo746 said:
Seems funny that some people can show kinship with someone they dunno in a country far away on the pretext that they are all "brothers" but not bat two eyelids when his immediate indigenous population neighbour gets to be the victim of terrorism in the same country he lives in.
Wow, so er you know the people concerned then and what their feelings, thoughts and political/religious affiliations are?Cool.
Well hopefully they'll find another way of getting the money out to those in desperate need of it then you wont have to worry yourself.
KareemK said:
gpo746 said:
Well happen your the sort who thinks this all smells prim and proper.
Unless you can demonstrate otherwise? And in this instance can you?The fact the money was confiscated could be a clue
gpo746 said:
I don't simple as that and for that reason I think its good nay excellent police work and it prevents 25k getting into the hands of people I wouldn't wish to be near I am all in favour.
Well hopefully the desperate people this was meant for can receive it by other means.yes via proper charities
gpo746 said:
Bleeding hearts, "right on" attitudes/ benefit of the doubt has turned this country into a soft gullible one.
LOLit's not LOL it's fact many people don't comment on these threads as they are worried about being labelled rascist
gpo746 said:
Time for the situation to change and whilst cuddles Karim bay may love to take tins of beans over to the starving villagers in terrorist town it will and does arouse suspicion. 25 K I wonder how he raised all that?
The article spelled out how THEY raised that. It's all part of something that died out long ago in this country. the article mentions how they raised it but giving to charity is a fine british tradition that is far from dead and definitely hasn't dried out in this country
gpo746 said:
Seems funny that some people can show kinship with someone they dunno in a country far away on the pretext that they are all "brothers" but not bat two eyelids when his immediate indigenous population neighbour gets to be the victim of terrorism in the same country he lives in.
Wow, so er you know the people concerned then and what their feelings, thoughts and political/religious affiliations are?No but then again you don't know them either do you chuck?
I think the point is perfectly valid some Islammist followers seem to think they have kinship with people they have never met, are not related to and live in countries many miles away and with totally different traditions and behaviour rather than with people in similar situations to themselves in the country in which they abide
Cool.
I am cool mates think I'm cool, and I am glad to think they are cool to think that. I am quite content to stand up for what I believe in and dismiss the politically correct crap that has made people feel the#y cannot comment for fear of being called rascist
Well hopefully they'll find another way of getting the money out to those in desperate need of it then you wont have to worry yourself.
They could use a proper charity and make a donation eh ?
I am not worried and certainly not as upset as you appear to be I am just delighted that our Police force is on the ball and is doing this Its great that they are and as I said before is IMHO excellent Police work
Edited by gpo746 on Wednesday 2nd July 15:30
Well when the extremists use this case of the confiscation of ordinary Muslims funds as evidence that the UK is anti-Islam in their radicalisation videos you'll have helped them achieve exactly what they want. You'll notice that they haven't been arrested or stopped from travelling which tells you all you need to know.
As for the "The fact the money was confiscated could be a clue" comment again LOL. The Police and other UK authorities can and do confiscate goods and cash all the time without having any hard evidence. Ask the people who had their cars crushed at Dover a few years back when the couldn't 'prove' the ciggs and booze were for themselves and family. The EU had to step in there to get that practice stopped.
Yes, they could donate to charity but we all know that long before that money ever reached the needy on the street it will have been creamed off by percentages taken in 'admin' costs and then end up - months bloody later - in the hands of some corrupt overseas organisation who totally fail to get it to where it's really needed. They've decided to take it over and distribute it themselves. To be honest nowadays thats what I'd do too if I felt strongly enough to go out and try an help.
Again your "No but then again you don't know them either do you chuck?" isn't valid. I'm not the one casting aspertions because they happen to be muslims talking about their 'brothers'.
As for the "The fact the money was confiscated could be a clue" comment again LOL. The Police and other UK authorities can and do confiscate goods and cash all the time without having any hard evidence. Ask the people who had their cars crushed at Dover a few years back when the couldn't 'prove' the ciggs and booze were for themselves and family. The EU had to step in there to get that practice stopped.
Yes, they could donate to charity but we all know that long before that money ever reached the needy on the street it will have been creamed off by percentages taken in 'admin' costs and then end up - months bloody later - in the hands of some corrupt overseas organisation who totally fail to get it to where it's really needed. They've decided to take it over and distribute it themselves. To be honest nowadays thats what I'd do too if I felt strongly enough to go out and try an help.
Again your "No but then again you don't know them either do you chuck?" isn't valid. I'm not the one casting aspertions because they happen to be muslims talking about their 'brothers'.
KareemK said:
Well when the extremists use this case of the confiscation of ordinary Muslims funds as evidence that the UK is anti-Islam in their radicalisation videos you'll have helped them achieve exactly what they want. You'll notice that they haven't been arrested or stopped from travelling which tells you all you need to know.
As for the "The fact the money was confiscated could be a clue" comment again LOL. The Police and other UK authorities can and do confiscate goods and cash all the time without having any hard evidence. Ask the people who had their cars crushed at Dover a few years back when the couldn't 'prove' the ciggs and booze were for themselves and family. The EU had to step in there to get that practice stopped.
Yes, they could donate to charity but we all know that long before that money ever reached the needy on the street it will have been creamed off by percentages taken in 'admin' costs and then end up - months bloody later - in the hands of some corrupt overseas organisation who totally fail to get it to where it's really needed. They've decided to take it over and distribute it themselves. To be honest nowadays thats what I'd do too if I felt strongly enough to go out and try an help.
Again your "No but then again you don't know them either do you chuck?" isn't valid. I'm not the one casting aspertions because they happen to be muslims talking about their 'brothers'.
The extremists are exquisitely sensitive to any critisism/comment about Islam. It really doesn't matter what we do they will take offence. Our very existence offends them. As for the "The fact the money was confiscated could be a clue" comment again LOL. The Police and other UK authorities can and do confiscate goods and cash all the time without having any hard evidence. Ask the people who had their cars crushed at Dover a few years back when the couldn't 'prove' the ciggs and booze were for themselves and family. The EU had to step in there to get that practice stopped.
Yes, they could donate to charity but we all know that long before that money ever reached the needy on the street it will have been creamed off by percentages taken in 'admin' costs and then end up - months bloody later - in the hands of some corrupt overseas organisation who totally fail to get it to where it's really needed. They've decided to take it over and distribute it themselves. To be honest nowadays thats what I'd do too if I felt strongly enough to go out and try an help.
Again your "No but then again you don't know them either do you chuck?" isn't valid. I'm not the one casting aspertions because they happen to be muslims talking about their 'brothers'.
We've tried appeasement. Time for a new approach.
KareemK said:
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Yes, they could donate to charity but we all know that long before that money ever reached the needy on the street it will have been creamed off by percentages taken in 'admin' costs and then end up - months bloody later - in the hands of some corrupt overseas organisation who totally fail to get it to where it's really needed. They've decided to take it over and distribute it themselves. To be honest nowadays thats what I'd do too if I felt strongly enough to go out and try an help.
Again your "No but then again you don't know them either do you chuck?" isn't valid. I'm not the one casting aspertions because they happen to be muslims talking about their 'brothers'.
The British have their brothers here at home who could do with a bit of charity. So are these guys Muslim 1st, and then British? Yes, they could donate to charity but we all know that long before that money ever reached the needy on the street it will have been creamed off by percentages taken in 'admin' costs and then end up - months bloody later - in the hands of some corrupt overseas organisation who totally fail to get it to where it's really needed. They've decided to take it over and distribute it themselves. To be honest nowadays thats what I'd do too if I felt strongly enough to go out and try an help.
Again your "No but then again you don't know them either do you chuck?" isn't valid. I'm not the one casting aspertions because they happen to be muslims talking about their 'brothers'.
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