Red Ken suspended

[Burwood]

It's very simple. A lot of people want to hate others for their own failings. Not all but for many that failing is financial. There is stereotype that all Jews are rich and another stereotype that they got that wealth through miscreant behaviour and skullduggery . Enter your victim.

Born a Jew myself and indeed coming from a well to do family, I was subjected to the usual crap. Athiest would be my belief but I can't stand hearing Jew bashing ( or any abuse) I'm talking about the cliche stuff not politics. It's vile and has nothing to do with a belief system.

[MarshPhantom]

Everyone's so offended.

[skyrover]

Yes... it's bizarre and I suspect as previously mentioned that they are an easy scape goat by the hard left and feckless as in my experience they tend to be hard working, intelligent and successful people.

I think anti-antisemitism is a bigger problem in Europe/The Middle East than the UK.

Most modern "British" anti-semitism is imported

[Burwood]

MarshPhantom said:

Everyone's so offended.

Give it a rest.

[MrBrightSi]

skyrover said:

Yes... it's bizarre and I suspect as previously mentioned that they are an easy scape goat by the hard left and feckless as in my experience they tend to be hard working, intelligent and successful people.

I think anti-antisemitism is a bigger problem in Europe/The Middle East than the UK.

Most modern "British" anti-semitism is imported

I agree with you there. Unfortunately there has been huge amounts of jewish flight out of europe, it leaves me absolutely flabbergasted that the people who shout "Down with fascism" all that jazz, are the same people who either support people who or themselves hold very 1939-esque views.

It does make me wonder which "Belgian" put this sign up in their shop.


Dogs ok, Jews stay out.

[TTwiggy]

It's a nasty sign and the person who put it up is likely a bit of a st. But it does bear remarking that his issue appears to be with Zionists, not Jews.

[MrBrightSi]

TTwiggy said:

It's a nasty sign and the person who put it up is likely a bit of a st. But it does bear remarking that his issue appears to be with Zionists, not Jews.

Zionists.

[TTwiggy]

MrBrightSi said:

TTwiggy said:

It's a nasty sign and the person who put it up is likely a bit of a st. But it does bear remarking that his issue appears to be with Zionists, not Jews.

Zionists.

Not sure I understand the rolling eyes there. The Zionist movement was established in the 19th century. It's a real thing.

There's a fair chance of course that the person who put the sign up also has an issue with Jews in general – you know, a bit like people who say they don't hate all Muslims, they just have an issue with Islam and extremists...

[MrBrightSi]

Good point, well made.

I just have serious issue with support of Palestine. I remember how they thanked the King of Jordan for his help.

[TTwiggy]

MrBrightSi said:

Good point, well made.

I just have serious issue with support of Palestine. I remember how they thanked the King of Jordan for his help.

I think the situation is too complex to have 'serious issues' with either side. IMHO there really isn't much in the way of moral high ground available for either faction to claim.

[Burwood]

TTwiggy said:

MrBrightSi said:

Good point, well made.

I just have serious issue with support of Palestine. I remember how they thanked the King of Jordan for his help.

I think the situation is too complex to have 'serious issues' with either side. IMHO there really isn't much in the way of moral high ground available for either faction to claim.

It's not too complex to label 'all of them' mad as a box of frogs. The entire middle east is hotbed of crazy

[MrBrightSi]

I'd say that even though Israel might behave a bit heavy handed, i can see that having been beset by enemies on all sides, having the world demand you 'ceed land that allows you greater defence of your very small fledgling country, a country that by comparison to it's neighbours is a lot more identifiable as a decent, open and tolerant society. I do find the settlement stuff wrong, but Palestine by comparison has done a lot worse in my eyes, like i said, their thanks to the King of Jordan for taking in their refugees and the terrorist Yasser Arafat is a good bit of proof toward that. It's a good bit of info to show the problem of mass immigration even if it was to be a temporary home for war-refugees.

[TTwiggy]

Burwood said:

TTwiggy said:

MrBrightSi said:

Good point, well made.

I just have serious issue with support of Palestine. I remember how they thanked the King of Jordan for his help.

I think the situation is too complex to have 'serious issues' with either side. IMHO there really isn't much in the way of moral high ground available for either faction to claim.

It's not too complex to label 'all of them' mad as a box of frogs. The entire middle east is hotbed of crazy

Perhaps. But the situation arguably stems from the French and English carving the region up and telling a bunch of nomads that they now have things called 'borders'. And that, sadly, some of those borders contain 'oil' and others don't.

[Halb]

Burwood said:

It's not too complex to label 'all of them' mad as a box of frogs. The entire middle east is hotbed of crazy

At least when the oil runs out, no-one will care.

[simonrockman]

Livingstone's membership is being assessed, not for his accuracy of historical events, nor for any antisemitism.

There is only one thing which matters here. Does he bring the party into disrepute. And I really can't see how it takes months of investigation and two days of trial to conclude that he does.

At the end of last year I gave Jeremy Corbyn a lift home from an event [Alfa 156 Sportswagon 2.0 twinspark - this is PH] and I really regret not using the time I had alone with him to tell him about my father..

My Grandparents met as members of the communist partly. My father voted Labour all his life. Except on one occasion. He voted for Boris to stop Livingstone winning. Voting Conservative was a very big deal for my father his dislike of Livingstone went well beyon not voting for him, but to voting against him.

Livingstone is deeply, deeply bad for the Labour party. When he gets kicked out today and then appeals, and makes a lot of noise he'll just do them more harm.

[BlackLabel]

Suspended for another year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39498275?ns_...

[Rich_W]

BlackLabel said:

Suspended for another year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39498275?ns_...

Another day.
Another Labour fudge over Anti Semitism


I could have placed a substantial bet they wouldn't have expelled him.

[hoagypubdog]

Can kicking! Just like the EU. see you all in twelve months for more of the same..

[Type R Tom]

He should have been thrown out the party years ago for supporting dodgy Tower Hamlets Mayor Lutfur Rahman who was standing as an independent.

[audidoody]

I wonder if the ridiculous old relic that is Ken Livingstone ever wonders why, in the 92 years that have elapsed since Hitler wrote 'Mein Kampf', no serious historian has ever offered the ludicrous theory that Hitler supported Zionism.

He really appears to have lost his actual marbles with gems such as:

"“The [Nazi] SS set up training camps so that German Jews who were going to go there could be trained to cope with a very different sort of country .... “And then they started selling Mauser pistols to the underground Jewish army.,"

"“He also passed a law that said the Zionist flag and the Swastika were the only flags that could be flown in Germany.? (WTF is the 'Zionst Flag? The Israeli flag came into existence in 1948, three years after Hitler blew his brains out.


Yep. I can see it all now. SS in the full Hugo Boss and Deaths Head kit patiently instructing elderly Jews in the correct way to handle and fire Schmeisser MP40 sub-machine guns.

It's beyond laughable and approaching invoking section 136 of the Mental Health Act.