Article 50 ruling due now

[williamp]

Amazingly for his bluster, 2 of the lib dem MP's didnt vote against.

Tim Farron. Cant even whip 8 individuals.

[BlueHave]

Sylvaforever said:

BlackLabel said:

Gina Miller and her backers won't be happy.

she's got the brass neck to put herself forwards for the negotiation team though!

No doubt she'll have a few training and coaching sessions with George Soros on what to say and do.

[Deptford Draylons]

BlueHave said:

Any Labour MP that voted against Article 50 from a working class leave majority constituency can effectively kiss goodbye to their political career.

The Stoke by-election is going to test this in a way. While their candidate wasn't an MP and voted against article 50, he couldn't be more clear of what he thinks of Brexit and is now going to try and convince people to vote for him.

[Kermit power]

Einion Yrth said:

against said:

CONSERVATIVES:

Ken Clarke, Rushcliffe

Despicable, anti democratic, has been.

Result of the Brexit referendum for Rushcliffe:

Remain: 40,522

Leave: 29,888

Turnout: 81.5 percent

Feel free to whine all you like about that not exactly representing the boundary of Ken Clarke's constituency, but given that sort of majority in favour of remaining, how exactly is he being undemocratic?

Here's a quick question for you and other people whining that all MPs who voted against the triggering of Article 50 are being undemocratic because "the people have spoken"...

The people also spoke when they elected a Conservative government, so does that mean the opposition MPs are being undemocratic if they don't 100% back the implementation of the government's manifesto commitments? After all, the people spoke!

Or could it be that we have an electoral system where we vote for a constituency to represent our views in parliament, which is exactly what Ken Clarke did by voting against triggering Article 50?

[powerstroke]

BlueHave said:

Any Labour MP that voted against Article 50 from a working class leave majority constituency can effectively kiss goodbye to their political career.

Noticed some mouthpiece lefties sharing this over Facebook over the last few days, ignorance does not go far enough to describe the thought process of some individuals.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/175845

Nah !!! labour voters will vote labour !!!

[confused_buyer]

powerstroke said:

Nah !!! labour voters will vote labour !!!

Tell that to Scottish Labour (what's left of it).

[wiggy001]

Kermit power said:

Result of the Brexit referendum for Rushcliffe:

Remain: 40,522

Leave: 29,888

Turnout: 81.5 percent

Feel free to whine all you like about that not exactly representing the boundary of Ken Clarke's constituency, but given that sort of majority in favour of remaining, how exactly is he being undemocratic?

Here's a quick question for you and other people whining that all MPs who voted against the triggering of Article 50 are being undemocratic because "the people have spoken"...

The people also spoke when they elected a Conservative government, so does that mean the opposition MPs are being undemocratic if they don't 100% back the implementation of the government's manifesto commitments? After all, the people spoke!

Or could it be that we have an electoral system where we vote for a constituency to represent our views in parliament, which is exactly what Ken Clarke did by voting against triggering Article 50?

To be fair to Ken Clarke, he didn't want us to have the referendum in the first place. That's why he's undemocratic and it's what makes him a has-been. In case he hasn't noticed, the western world is voting again the arrogant political elite. I don't think people like Ken Clarke can exist in politics in the future.

[anonymous-user]

Piersman2 said:

BlackLabel said:

Gina Miller and her backers won't be happy.

I wonder if they're thinking that they just wasted a st load of money - hope so.

Err, they won. The Govt wasted a stload of money fighting a lost cause.

[anonymous-user]

Catweazle said:

Ian Geary said:

BlueHave said:

Any Labour MP that voted against Article 50 from a working class leave majority constituency can effectively kiss goodbye to their political career.

Noticed some mouthpiece lefties sharing this over Facebook over the last few days, ignorance does not go far enough to describe the thought process of some individuals.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/175845

I wish there was a way to use my signature to "minus one" from a petition.

It would work better than having to set up an opposite one ( a la Trump visit)

Ian

+1

-1

[powerstroke]

confused_buyer said:

powerstroke said:

Nah !!! labour voters will vote labour !!!

Tell that to Scottish Labour (what's left of it).

They will come back !!! even the hard of thinking !!!

[hyphen]

Greg66 said:

Piersman2 said:

BlackLabel said:

Gina Miller and her backers won't be happy.

I wonder if they're thinking that they just wasted a st load of money - hope so.

Err, they won. The Govt wasted a stload of money fighting a lost cause.

Gina Miller took the action as the referendum result made her "physically sick". I expected she was not feeling too well yesterday either.

[don4l]

AlexC1981 said:

I took my mum up to Loch Lomand last year. I recommend you visit as the scenery is fantastic and it is a lovely drive up to Fort William and Ben Nevis. Afterwards we had another lovely drive down the coast from Ben Nevis to Oban. It's an hour and twenty minute drive from Oban to Lochearnhead where we were staying. We left Oban at 11pm, which is when the sun went down. Loneliest drive of my life! Quite foolish really as there was no phone signal and if we had broken down we would have been spending the night in the car as there was not a soul on the roads through the mountains. Not even a pin prick of artificial light could be seen.

Sorry..off topic!

"Off topic"?

This is a car forum.

Thank you, I enjoyed your post.

Edited by don4l on Thursday 2nd February 08:44

[brrapp]

powerstroke said:

confused_buyer said:

powerstroke said:

Nah !!! labour voters will vote labour !!!

Tell that to Scottish Labour (what's left of it).

They will come back !!! even the hard of thinking !!!

Our (Scotland's) voting options are getting worse every day, I genuinely have no-one I could find it it my conscience to vote for right now . I e-mailed my MP (who I voted for previously) last night to let him know I wouldn't be voting for him again after his betrayal of the national referendum result.

[paulrockliffe]

wiggy001 said:

To be fair to Ken Clarke, he didn't want us to have the referendum in the first place. That's why he's undemocratic and it's what makes him a has-been. In case he hasn't noticed, the western world is voting again the arrogant political elite. I don't think people like Ken Clarke can exist in politics in the future.

He voted against the referendum act and is in a remain constituency, he's one of the few that can justify voting that way. I don't think Party policy should trump any of that, certainly not in this case. He's still wrong though.

[Piersman2]

Greg66 said:

Piersman2 said:

BlackLabel said:

Gina Miller and her backers won't be happy.

I wonder if they're thinking that they just wasted a st load of money - hope so.

Err, they won. The Govt wasted a stload of money fighting a lost cause.

Outcome was the same.

[Pieman68]

powerstroke said:

BlueHave said:

Any Labour MP that voted against Article 50 from a working class leave majority constituency can effectively kiss goodbye to their political career.

Noticed some mouthpiece lefties sharing this over Facebook over the last few days, ignorance does not go far enough to describe the thought process of some individuals.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/175845

Nah !!! labour voters will vote labour !!!

Mary Creagh, MP for Wakefield voted against and Wakefield was a 67% leave vote

Facebook isn't pretty reading at the moment. A lot of pressure building from the proles to seek her to resign

Typically a Labour stronghold (although not as strongly as the surrounding mining towns) but majority was only 2500 last time out and the Conservatives ran a reasonable close second for the last couple of elections.

Ken Clarke voted with the vote of his constituents. Personally don't have a problem with that (although I don't have much time for him). Actions like those of Creagh are the ones that should be highlighted as undemocratic

[WinstonWolf]

Greg66 said:

Piersman2 said:

BlackLabel said:

Gina Miller and her backers won't be happy.

I wonder if they're thinking that they just wasted a st load of money - hope so.

Err, they won. The Govt wasted a stload of money fighting a lost cause.

A lost cause? Err, we're fking leaving

[Boosted LS1]

paulrockliffe said:

wiggy001 said:

To be fair to Ken Clarke, he didn't want us to have the referendum in the first place. That's why he's undemocratic and it's what makes him a has-been. In case he hasn't noticed, the western world is voting again the arrogant political elite. I don't think people like Ken Clarke can exist in politics in the future.

He voted against the referendum act and is in a remain constituency, he's one of the few that can justify voting that way. I don't think Party policy should trump any of that, certainly not in this case. He's still wrong though.

Just about the only remain constituency in the East Midlands along with Darley Dale I think.

[Amateurish]

paulrockliffe said:

wiggy001 said:

To be fair to Ken Clarke, he didn't want us to have the referendum in the first place. That's why he's undemocratic and it's what makes him a has-been. In case he hasn't noticed, the western world is voting again the arrogant political elite. I don't think people like Ken Clarke can exist in politics in the future.

He voted against the referendum act and is in a remain constituency, he's one of the few that can justify voting that way. I don't think Party policy should trump any of that, certainly not in this case. He's still wrong though.

+1 man of principle

[anonymous-user]

WinstonWolf said:

Greg66 said:

Piersman2 said:

BlackLabel said:

Gina Miller and her backers won't be happy.

I wonder if they're thinking that they just wasted a st load of money - hope so.

Err, they won. The Govt wasted a stload of money fighting a lost cause.

A lost cause? Err, we're fking leaving

You show, once again, your feeble comprehension of the events around you.

The "cause" the Govt lost was whether A50 could be triggered by the prerogative. Dimwit.

Here's a picture, in case all those words all at once were a bit too much.