Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
jsf said:
catso said:
jsf said:
To back remaining in the EU is ignoring the democratic will of the people, it is anti-democratic.
Indeed it maybe but, had remain won do you think Farage and all his fanboys would have simply accepted it? Nothing stopping a new group starting a let's rejoin the EU campaign once we have left either.
But right now, the British people have instructed their government to leave the EU, so that must happen if you believe in democracy.
This won't please the u-turners and those who wanted to remain through the back door.
No single market, no customs union.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brex...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/14/theresa...
No single market, no customs union.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brex...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/14/theresa...
BlackLabel said:
This won't please the u-turners and those who wanted to remain through the back door.
No single market, no customs union.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brex...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/14/theresa...
"Remaining through the back door" is Tory spin. No single market, no customs union.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brex...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/14/theresa...
What most people want, regardless of the way they voted, is to ensure our economy thrives post Brexit. The euro-sceptics are simply politicising any argument to remain in either the 'single market' and 'customs union'. Dogma is again triumphing over rational decision making.
Elysium said:
"Remaining through the back door" is Tory spin.
What most people want, regardless of the way they voted, is to ensure our economy thrives post Brexit. The euro-sceptics are simply politicising any argument to remain in either the 'single market' and 'customs union'. Dogma is again triumphing over rational decision making.
You're speculating. The only thing we definitely know is that most people who voted want to leave - and that will happen.What most people want, regardless of the way they voted, is to ensure our economy thrives post Brexit. The euro-sceptics are simply politicising any argument to remain in either the 'single market' and 'customs union'. Dogma is again triumphing over rational decision making.
Jimboka said:
The above is an admission of defeat.
EU have no reason to give us anything, they hold all the aces.
Our government know that so looks like they won't even bother.
Free trade with Timbuktu is the future.
Based on the last available GDP numbers, Senegal is growing faster than the EU - we're in on the ground floor!EU have no reason to give us anything, they hold all the aces.
Our government know that so looks like they won't even bother.
Free trade with Timbuktu is the future.
http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/senegal
The EU has admitted that they need London to ensure the stability of their currency.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/e...
It's anything other than an admission of defeat. That would come if May said something like ultimately we're not prepared to leave the customs union etc. EU would then hold a significantly stronger set of cards and any negotiation would be more along the lines of the sham negotiation with Cameron.
Obviously we will have to wait and see what the speech brings, yet the media interpretation of nothing continues with their theme that "hard Brexit" is the inevitable and only strategy, despite indications from various quarters of willingness for some transitional deal.
Meanwhile Clegg is calling for an EFTA deal, though seems a bit vague about what it means. Nothing new there then.
Will Tuesday see an end to this thread?
Just as an aside to those who are saying Booker has changed his views.
Obviously we will have to wait and see what the speech brings, yet the media interpretation of nothing continues with their theme that "hard Brexit" is the inevitable and only strategy, despite indications from various quarters of willingness for some transitional deal.
Meanwhile Clegg is calling for an EFTA deal, though seems a bit vague about what it means. Nothing new there then.
Will Tuesday see an end to this thread?
Just as an aside to those who are saying Booker has changed his views.
May rejects 'partial' EU membership in Brexit speech
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38641208
Curbing migration a top priority
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38641208
Curbing migration a top priority
bmw535i said:
May rejects 'partial' EU membership in Brexit speech
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38641208
Curbing migration a top priority
Presumably she'll announce some changes to non EU migration rules to take effect immediately? If she's serious about reducing migration, that has to be part of the strategy.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38641208
Curbing migration a top priority
rscott said:
bmw535i said:
May rejects 'partial' EU membership in Brexit speech
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38641208
Curbing migration a top priority
Presumably she'll announce some changes to non EU migration rules to take effect immediately? If she's serious about reducing migration, that has to be part of the strategy.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38641208
Curbing migration a top priority
This fantasy thread will presumably close soon. Making it to vol3 however would be a triumph for desperate hope over any realistic expectation.
Looks like we are heading for a hard Brexit. Here is a copy of the speech that Theresa May is expected to give later today.
A little over six months ago the British people voted for change. They voted to shape a brighter future for our country. They voted to leave the European Union and embrace the world. And they did so with their eyes open: accepting that the road ahead will be uncertain at times, but believing that it leads towards a brighter future for their children – and their grandchildren too.
And it is the job of this Government to deliver it. That means more than negotiating our new relationship with the EU. It means taking the opportunity of this great moment of national change to step back and ask ourselves what kind of country we want to be.
My answer is clear. I want this United Kingdom to emerge from this period of change stronger, fairer, more united and more outward-looking than ever before. I want us to be a secure, prosperous, tolerant country – a magnet for international talent and a home to the pioneers and innovators who will shape the world ahead.
I want us to be a truly Global Britain – the best friend and neighbour to our European partners, but a country that reaches beyond the borders of Europe too. A country that gets out into the world to build relationships with old friends and new allies alike. I want Britain to be what we have the potential and ambition to be: a great, global trading nation that is respected around the world and strong, confident and united at home.
Our vote to leave the European Union was no rejection of the values we share. The decision to leave the EU represents no desire to become more distant to you, our friends and neighbours.
We will continue to be reliable partners, willing allies and close friends. We want to buy your goods, sell you ours, trade with you as freely as possible, and work with one another to make sure we are all safer, more secure and more prosperous through continued friendship.
We seek a new and equal partnership – between an independent, self-governing, Global Britain and our friends and allies in the EU. Not partial membership of the European Union, associate membership of the European Union, or anything that leaves us half-in, half-out. We do not seek to adopt a model already enjoyed by other countries. We do not seek to hold on to bits of membership as we leave.
The United Kingdom is leaving the European Union. My job is to get the right deal for Britain as we do. We have 12 objectives that amount to one big goal: a new, positive and constructive partnership between Britain and the European Union. And as we negotiate that partnership, we will be driven by some simple principles: we will provide as much certainty and clarity as we can at every stage. And we will take this opportunity to make Britain stronger, to make Britain fairer, and to build a more Global Britain too.”
A little over six months ago the British people voted for change. They voted to shape a brighter future for our country. They voted to leave the European Union and embrace the world. And they did so with their eyes open: accepting that the road ahead will be uncertain at times, but believing that it leads towards a brighter future for their children – and their grandchildren too.
And it is the job of this Government to deliver it. That means more than negotiating our new relationship with the EU. It means taking the opportunity of this great moment of national change to step back and ask ourselves what kind of country we want to be.
My answer is clear. I want this United Kingdom to emerge from this period of change stronger, fairer, more united and more outward-looking than ever before. I want us to be a secure, prosperous, tolerant country – a magnet for international talent and a home to the pioneers and innovators who will shape the world ahead.
I want us to be a truly Global Britain – the best friend and neighbour to our European partners, but a country that reaches beyond the borders of Europe too. A country that gets out into the world to build relationships with old friends and new allies alike. I want Britain to be what we have the potential and ambition to be: a great, global trading nation that is respected around the world and strong, confident and united at home.
Our vote to leave the European Union was no rejection of the values we share. The decision to leave the EU represents no desire to become more distant to you, our friends and neighbours.
We will continue to be reliable partners, willing allies and close friends. We want to buy your goods, sell you ours, trade with you as freely as possible, and work with one another to make sure we are all safer, more secure and more prosperous through continued friendship.
We seek a new and equal partnership – between an independent, self-governing, Global Britain and our friends and allies in the EU. Not partial membership of the European Union, associate membership of the European Union, or anything that leaves us half-in, half-out. We do not seek to adopt a model already enjoyed by other countries. We do not seek to hold on to bits of membership as we leave.
The United Kingdom is leaving the European Union. My job is to get the right deal for Britain as we do. We have 12 objectives that amount to one big goal: a new, positive and constructive partnership between Britain and the European Union. And as we negotiate that partnership, we will be driven by some simple principles: we will provide as much certainty and clarity as we can at every stage. And we will take this opportunity to make Britain stronger, to make Britain fairer, and to build a more Global Britain too.”
turbobloke said:
rscott said:
bmw535i said:
May rejects 'partial' EU membership in Brexit speech
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38641208
Curbing migration a top priority
Presumably she'll announce some changes to non EU migration rules to take effect immediately? If she's serious about reducing migration, that has to be part of the strategy.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38641208
Curbing migration a top priority
This fantasy thread will presumably close soon. Making it to vol3 however would be a triumph for desperate hope over any realistic expectation.
However, common sense suggests that the criteria used for non-EU migrants now would apply to all migrants post-Brexit. So unless they change them, there won't be a noticeable change in immigration levels.
rscott said:
Presumably she'll announce some changes to non EU migration rules to take effect immediately? If she's serious about reducing migration, that has to be part of the strategy.
Possibly, although that is already an area where there are more and more controls imposed regularly (as discussed previously)bmw535i said:
rscott said:
Presumably she'll announce some changes to non EU migration rules to take effect immediately? If she's serious about reducing migration, that has to be part of the strategy.
Possibly, although that is already an area where there are more and more controls imposed regularly (as discussed previously)rscott said:
bmw535i said:
rscott said:
Presumably she'll announce some changes to non EU migration rules to take effect immediately? If she's serious about reducing migration, that has to be part of the strategy.
Possibly, although that is already an area where there are more and more controls imposed regularly (as discussed previously)I personally expect immigration levels to remain fairly consistent with a more diverse makeup.
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