Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[BlackLabel]

Deputy convener of Holyrood's Finance Committee and former Chartered Accountant, SNP MSP John Mason doesn't know the difference between debt & deficit. WTF!!

[A.J.M]

That is our new and superior class of politician.

[///ajd]

BlackLabel said:

Deputy convener of Holyrood's Finance Committee and former Chartered Accountant, SNP MSP John Mason doesn't know the difference between debt & deficit. WTF!!

I read up on him and I am staggered at his ignorance and frankly dangerous views.

His views on abortion belong in the dark ages. He is also a creationist who thinks the world is only 5 minutes old and is trying to get it taught in schools.

How the hell does this this kind of ignorant fruitcake actually get enough votes to be an MSP? Is the bar that low?

[Alpacaman]

Another good blog, that probably won't be appreciated by whinge over or the fluffy one.

http://glasgowunihumanrights.blogspot.co.uk/2016/0...

[HD Adam]

fluffnik said:

HD Adam said:

Hi Fluff.

Seeing as you are back, any chance of some answers to the UK union bad - EU union good questions?

A small selection of bullet points:

• The EU impinges far, far less on sovereignty than the UK.
• The EU exercises only that fraction of sovereignty freely ceded to it by its members.
• The EU guarantees rights, not least by requiring members to abide by the ECHR.
• EU citizenship enhances freedom of movement.

For Scotland, being an EU member in its own right would give it a place in both Council and Commission, where it is currently, effectively, unrepresented.

As per your bullet points.

• As of 2009, 53% of regulation put into law in the UK was by the EU.

How does that 53& imposed by the EU = good and any percentage figure you pluck out of your arse for the UK = Bad?

• The EU exercises only that fraction of sovereignty freely ceded to it by its members.

Personally, I think the opposite but again, how does the EU exercising sovereignty = Good and the Uk doing it = Bad?

• The EU guarantees rights, not least by requiring members to abide by the ECHR.

The UK guarantees rights going back to the Magna Carta in 1215 and the Bill of Rights in 1689.
Apart from the fact that Britain is currently signed up to the EU Human Rights act and may not necessarily come out of that, what make the EU rights good & the UK rights bad?

• EU citizenship enhances freedom of movement.

Do you mean the Schengen Agreement? The UK is not in that.
I've always had freedom of movement because I have a passport.
Does the UK not allow freedom of movement within it's borders?
I'm struggling on this one tbh.

I don't think you've given us any answers on the UK Bad, EU Good yet.

[s2kjock]

BlackLabel said:

Deputy convener of Holyrood's Finance Committee and former Chartered Accountant, SNP MSP John Mason doesn't know the difference between debt & deficit. WTF!!

I presume he has not been working as an accountant for some time. I wonder where he trained?

[Welshbeef]

HD Adam said:

As per your bullet points.

• As of 2009, 53% of regulation put into law in the UK was by the EU.

How does that 53& imposed by the EU = good and any percentage figure you pluck out of your arse for the UK = Bad?

• The EU exercises only that fraction of sovereignty freely ceded to it by its members.

Personally, I think the opposite but again, how does the EU exercising sovereignty = Good and the Uk doing it = Bad?

• The EU guarantees rights, not least by requiring members to abide by the ECHR.

The UK guarantees rights going back to the Magna Carta in 1215 and the Bill of Rights in 1689.
Apart from the fact that Britain is currently signed up to the EU Human Rights act and may not necessarily come out of that, what make the EU rights good & the UK rights bad?

• EU citizenship enhances freedom of movement.

Do you mean the Schengen Agreement? The UK is not in that.
I've always had freedom of movement because I have a passport.
Does the UK not allow freedom of movement within it's borders?
I'm struggling on this one tbh.

I don't think you've given us any answers on the UK Bad, EU Good yet.

Be prepared for a long long wait and then when he returns he will no doubt discuss the pros and cons of the Sinclair C5 or anything else as abstract or irrelevant to the topic. Then he will move on assuming everyone else has finally overlooked this valid point.

[simoid]

4 parties on bbc2 just now debating education. Good fun - 3 vs 1 SNP muppet Angela Constance.

[simoid]

simoid said:

4 parties on bbc2 just now debating education. Good fun - 3 vs 1 SNP muppet Angela Constance.

Ruth Davidson - going good guns.

[NoNeed]

From the united against seperation Facebook page, made me smile.

The Future of Scotland? A lesson from Ireland!

https://www.facebook.com/CathalPendredMma/videos/8...

[Garvin]

Welshbeef said:

Be prepared for a long long wait and then when he returns he will no doubt discuss the pros and cons of the Sinclair C5 or anything else as abstract or irrelevant to the topic. Then he will move on assuming everyone else has finally overlooked this valid point.

I have been waiting patiently for Fluff to put some substance behind his many and varied statements. None have been forthcoming and I see the responses to others have no substance either. I therefore conclude that there is no real rationale behind his various witterings and so and they are all fuelled by blind emotion - nothing more, nothing less. It is impossible to debate rationally with such people but I admire the tenacity of those who try.

[AC43]

Garvin said:

Welshbeef said:

Be prepared for a long long wait and then when he returns he will no doubt discuss the pros and cons of the Sinclair C5 or anything else as abstract or irrelevant to the topic. Then he will move on assuming everyone else has finally overlooked this valid point.

I have been waiting patiently for Fluff to put some substance behind his many and varied statements. None have been forthcoming and I see the responses to others have no substance either. I therefore conclude that there is no real rationale behind his various witterings and so and they are all fuelled by blind emotion - nothing more, nothing less. It is impossible to debate rationally with such people but I admire the tenacity of those who try.

I think the logic goes;

1 We hate Eng-lund
2 We hate Lun-dun
3 Dinnae vote for Red Tories
4 Vote SNP ya bam!
5 Get a Tory government. For ever.
5 Oh f*ck.

[NoNeed]

http://scot-buzz.co.uk/rip-scotlands-vanishing-pop...

[iphonedyou]

HD Adam said:

As per your bullet points.

• As of 2009, 53% of regulation put into law in the UK was by the EU.

How does that 53& imposed by the EU = good and any percentage figure you pluck out of your arse for the UK = Bad?

• The EU exercises only that fraction of sovereignty freely ceded to it by its members.

Personally, I think the opposite but again, how does the EU exercising sovereignty = Good and the Uk doing it = Bad?

• The EU guarantees rights, not least by requiring members to abide by the ECHR.

The UK guarantees rights going back to the Magna Carta in 1215 and the Bill of Rights in 1689.
Apart from the fact that Britain is currently signed up to the EU Human Rights act and may not necessarily come out of that, what make the EU rights good & the UK rights bad?

• EU citizenship enhances freedom of movement.

Do you mean the Schengen Agreement? The UK is not in that.
I've always had freedom of movement because I have a passport.
Does the UK not allow freedom of movement within it's borders?
I'm struggling on this one tbh.

I don't think you've given us any answers on the UK Bad, EU Good yet.

Pretty sure that, somewhere, Fluff's head has just exploded.

[r11co]

fluffnik said:

*The EU impinges far, far less on sovereignty than the UK.

This is a false argument. The UK is one nation state with devolved regional power, so there is no issue of 'sovereignty' being impinged on.

This is straight out of the SNP parallel universe of arguments, where Scotland was invaded by England and the Act of Union was unilaterally imposed, oil is $150 a barrel and rising, Alex Salmond did have that legal advice, Natalie NcGarry was part of the GMB contingent visiting Turkey, Philip Boswell and Tommy Shepherd didn't break House of Commons rules and MI5 rigged the referendum.

[Alpacaman]

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/pro-scottish-indepen...

You really do have to wonder at some people, giving this sort of money to a man who is so keen on Scottish independence he doesn't even live here.

Edit to add-
Do I remember rightly that Fluffy donated to him in the past because he thought he was a beacon of honesty during the referendum?

Edited by Alpacaman on Tuesday 1st March 14:44

[FourWheelDrift]

Alpacaman said:

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/pro-scottish-indepen...

You really do have to wonder at some people, giving this sort of money to a man who is so keen on Scottish independence he doesn't even live here.

So that was basically an appeal to give him a nice salary for a year.

Unless it's his moving and relocation fees to return to Scotland.

[technodup]

Alpacaman said:

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/pro-scottish-indepen...

You really do have to wonder at some people, giving this sort of money to a man who is so keen on Scottish independence he doesn't even live here.

You wonder more when it's two years hence (the story was 2014), he's still doing the annual 'Blue Peter Appeal' and still doesn't live here. And they lap it up.

Strange that they are so intrigued by crowdfunding though. In media terms how is it any different to lots of people buying a particular newspaper each day? Money gets raised in small amounts by loads of people both ways.

I can't see the fascination myself. Especially when it provides a mouthpiece for bawbags like the 'Reverend'.

[ellroy]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/n...

[fluffnik]

Alpacaman said:

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/pro-scottish-indepen...

You really do have to wonder at some people, giving this sort of money to a man who is so keen on Scottish independence he doesn't even live here.

That was then, this is now!

Alpacaman said:

Edit to add-
Do I remember rightly that Fluffy donated to him in the past because he thought he was a beacon of honesty during the referendum?

I'll be bunging him another few quid this year too, the Rev. remains rollicking good value.