Redcar Steel plant
Discussion
M-6fhs1 said:
The government baffles me.
Why not "keep the money in the family" and insist only British steel must be used in the construction of EVERYTHING built in this country.
Why line the pockets of other people
Because it makes everyone in the UK who isn't in the steel industry poorer.Why not "keep the money in the family" and insist only British steel must be used in the construction of EVERYTHING built in this country.
Why line the pockets of other people
BlackLabel said:
Who is telling the truth?
This is what I'd like to know. People are quick enough to blame the UK government on social media like it's solid fact by saying the UK blocked it and not the EU. But aside from the many info graphics that have been shared I Haven't seen an ounce of evidence outside the realm of photoshopping words onto a picture of <insert Tory>. twitter said:
Andrew Neil Verified account
?@afneil
Biz Sec Sajid Javid claims UK led way slapping tariffs on Chinese steel dumping. Brussels sources insist UK blocked penal tariffs - still is
?@afneil
Biz Sec Sajid Javid claims UK led way slapping tariffs on Chinese steel dumping. Brussels sources insist UK blocked penal tariffs - still is
If we only bought British Steel then the price of living would have gone up, funny how everybody wants the cheapest goods, then are surprised when market forces close down businesses that have been priced out of their industry. Other people are against Nationalism & see the whole "Buy British" thing being a nasty UKIP racist attitude.
Perhaps there's a bigger picture to this too, forsake the steel industry in order to not start a trade war and push up the cost of living. I imagine there's more to this behind the scenes that isn't public yet with the revelation of Chinese import tariffs...
Regardless this has been on the cards for a long time.
Tory = stupid seek money anywhere and not bothered about the working man.
Labour ? WE have no labour only a new labour which is same as above.
we lost the plot when we took our eyes off the ball - we need to manufacture. they thought the future was in service industry, yep they did then they outsourced that to India.
You dont make money unless you make something.
you dont make money unless you level the playing field.
Bang tariffs on imports - bring them up to similar prices to the local produce. delete the edge on cheap imports through sourcing from countries that dont have to operate under the same legislation as we have to. health and safety pay and all that.
get the economy up and then you make jobs you make jobs you get money flowing into the economy. people go out people spend money people live. if you dont do that you sink. and were sinking as a country.
Labour ? WE have no labour only a new labour which is same as above.
we lost the plot when we took our eyes off the ball - we need to manufacture. they thought the future was in service industry, yep they did then they outsourced that to India.
You dont make money unless you make something.
you dont make money unless you level the playing field.
Bang tariffs on imports - bring them up to similar prices to the local produce. delete the edge on cheap imports through sourcing from countries that dont have to operate under the same legislation as we have to. health and safety pay and all that.
get the economy up and then you make jobs you make jobs you get money flowing into the economy. people go out people spend money people live. if you dont do that you sink. and were sinking as a country.
ruggedscotty said:
You dont make money unless you make something.
you dont make money unless you level the playing field.
Bang tariffs on imports - bring them up to similar prices to the local produce. delete the edge on cheap imports through sourcing from countries that dont have to operate under the same legislation as we have to. health and safety pay and all that.
get the economy up and then you make jobs you make jobs you get money flowing into the economy. people go out people spend money people live. if you dont do that you sink. and were sinking as a country.
As frustrating as the situation is, this will only move the problem further down the supply chain.you dont make money unless you level the playing field.
Bang tariffs on imports - bring them up to similar prices to the local produce. delete the edge on cheap imports through sourcing from countries that dont have to operate under the same legislation as we have to. health and safety pay and all that.
get the economy up and then you make jobs you make jobs you get money flowing into the economy. people go out people spend money people live. if you dont do that you sink. and were sinking as a country.
I work for a business selling engineering grade steels. A lot of the stuff manufactered with this steel gets exported by (our very good) UK engineering firms.
If steel prices in the UK were artificially inflated by way of tariffs, you'd see UK engineering businesses falling by the wayside. Unable to export due to the higher raw material prices and strong currency. Unable to sell their components domestically because people could import equally good stuff from abroad for cheaper.
M-6fhs1 said:
The government baffles me.
Why not "keep the money in the family" and insist only British steel must be used in the construction of EVERYTHING built in this country.
Why line the pockets of other people
Because even paying welfare to those steel workers the steel from China is so much cheaper. Why not "keep the money in the family" and insist only British steel must be used in the construction of EVERYTHING built in this country.
Why line the pockets of other people
Take the SNP in Scotland who keep blabbing on about Tory nasty party - well they themselves selected Chinease steel over Scottish steel and that resulted in all those job cuts.
Do we want to pay more for cars and white goods? If so let's pay more for metal - however you cannot force other companies to use the pricier steel as they will be uncompetitive thus move production elsewhere where they can buy cheap steel.
End of the day on all of this the person who pays the extra is the consumer if your happy for that to happen fair enough but most people just pay lip service to it and never really man up and pay.
glazbagun said:
Globalism is the industrial revolution/Marxism all over again. We can buy anything we actually need at prices everyone can afford, so what demand for labour actually exists any more?
We could buy socks and t shirts from UK mills if we wanted, but they wouldn't be three for a tenner.
They could be if you had loose employment laws and hourly salary of £0.10/hr We could buy socks and t shirts from UK mills if we wanted, but they wouldn't be three for a tenner.
Also killing the environment with cheap coal in our Welsh hills employing millions for hard labour no machines required hand and pic only get those pesky lazy folk working.
It is a fact that the UK has blocked higher EU import tariffs on Chinese steel. Could that be related to their financing of nuclear power stations? It is also a fact that utility costs and business rates are far higher in the UK than in France or Germany.
This is being promoted as the ultimate big simple issue and it is not. There are issues about where the raw materials are coming from, what different raw materials are available. There is demand for steel in the UK but a lot of it is for specialist alloys or products. They need to be addressing how to match demand and supply within the UK.
Do you see Germany giving up its steel industry? Not bloody likely. Not because they are planning the next world war, but because they recognise that all of the stages of production are inter related and you cannot simply outsource them in the Thatcher manner.
The UK government should be getting some experts in and doing some serious thinking, and it might also be an idea to get rid of that lightweight Javid. Either way, nationalisation is no answer, it's just a direct route back to the 1970's which for those of you who weren't there was the disastrous politicisation of industry. They are right to say how can you justify supporting the banks and not the steelworkers. You can't, of course, but two wrongs don't make a right, and Gordon Brown never demonstrated his pigheadedness, ignorance and stupidity more than when he bailed those a
holes out of of their irresponsible and criminal activities.
This is being promoted as the ultimate big simple issue and it is not. There are issues about where the raw materials are coming from, what different raw materials are available. There is demand for steel in the UK but a lot of it is for specialist alloys or products. They need to be addressing how to match demand and supply within the UK.
Do you see Germany giving up its steel industry? Not bloody likely. Not because they are planning the next world war, but because they recognise that all of the stages of production are inter related and you cannot simply outsource them in the Thatcher manner.
The UK government should be getting some experts in and doing some serious thinking, and it might also be an idea to get rid of that lightweight Javid. Either way, nationalisation is no answer, it's just a direct route back to the 1970's which for those of you who weren't there was the disastrous politicisation of industry. They are right to say how can you justify supporting the banks and not the steelworkers. You can't, of course, but two wrongs don't make a right, and Gordon Brown never demonstrated his pigheadedness, ignorance and stupidity more than when he bailed those a
holes out of of their irresponsible and criminal activities.everyone that goes on about bailing out the bankers....
Do they realise what was involved ? What it actually meant to let the banks fold. Please look into it and try to understand the background. Yes the banks were stupid in what happened but there was so much more involved. If the government had turned its back then that would of been it.
Do you honestly think that the Government would have stepped in and put that sort of money in if they didnt need to.
The country would of collapsed. It was that serious. This wasnt your local car dealer going down the tubes.
RBS was little more than two hours away from going under. At this time RBS was pretty much the biggest bank around. If that had gone it would have been financial meltdown globally.
It wasnt about keeping the bankers in a job - it was about surviving. as a country.
Do they realise what was involved ? What it actually meant to let the banks fold. Please look into it and try to understand the background. Yes the banks were stupid in what happened but there was so much more involved. If the government had turned its back then that would of been it.
Do you honestly think that the Government would have stepped in and put that sort of money in if they didnt need to.
The country would of collapsed. It was that serious. This wasnt your local car dealer going down the tubes.
RBS was little more than two hours away from going under. At this time RBS was pretty much the biggest bank around. If that had gone it would have been financial meltdown globally.
It wasnt about keeping the bankers in a job - it was about surviving. as a country.
ruggedscotty said:
everyone that goes on about bailing out the bankers....
Do they realise what was involved ? What it actually meant to let the banks fold. Please look into it and try to understand the background. Yes the banks were stupid in what happened but there was so much more involved. If the government had turned its back then that would of been it.
Do you honestly think that the Government would have stepped in and put that sort of money in if they didnt need to.
The country would of collapsed. It was that serious. This wasnt your local car dealer going down the tubes.
RBS was little more than two hours away from going under. At this time RBS was pretty much the biggest bank around. If that had gone it would have been financial meltdown globally.
It wasnt about keeping the bankers in a job - it was about surviving. as a country.
Funny how its now business as usual for the banks , non produtive leaches Do they realise what was involved ? What it actually meant to let the banks fold. Please look into it and try to understand the background. Yes the banks were stupid in what happened but there was so much more involved. If the government had turned its back then that would of been it.
Do you honestly think that the Government would have stepped in and put that sort of money in if they didnt need to.
The country would of collapsed. It was that serious. This wasnt your local car dealer going down the tubes.
RBS was little more than two hours away from going under. At this time RBS was pretty much the biggest bank around. If that had gone it would have been financial meltdown globally.
It wasnt about keeping the bankers in a job - it was about surviving. as a country.
ruggedscotty said:
Tory = stupid seek money anywhere and not bothered about the working man.
Labour ? WE have no labour only a new labour which is same as above.
we lost the plot when we took our eyes off the ball - we need to manufacture. they thought the future was in service industry, yep they did then they outsourced that to India.
You dont make money unless you make something.
you dont make money unless you level the playing field.
Bang tariffs on imports - bring them up to similar prices to the local produce. delete the edge on cheap imports through sourcing from countries that dont have to operate under the same legislation as we have to. health and safety pay and all that.
get the economy up and then you make jobs you make jobs you get money flowing into the economy. people go out people spend money people live. if you dont do that you sink. and were sinking as a country.
Nahh we can sell coffee and imported chinese tat to each other and borrow more it'il be fine !!!Labour ? WE have no labour only a new labour which is same as above.
we lost the plot when we took our eyes off the ball - we need to manufacture. they thought the future was in service industry, yep they did then they outsourced that to India.
You dont make money unless you make something.
you dont make money unless you level the playing field.
Bang tariffs on imports - bring them up to similar prices to the local produce. delete the edge on cheap imports through sourcing from countries that dont have to operate under the same legislation as we have to. health and safety pay and all that.
get the economy up and then you make jobs you make jobs you get money flowing into the economy. people go out people spend money people live. if you dont do that you sink. and were sinking as a country.
I recall from an earlier thread about nuclear power that there's a supply bottleneck for certain grades of high performance cold drawn tubing for use in boilers and steam generators, like those typically found in nuclear power stations; given the number of nuclear power stations are planned in the next two decades there will be enough business to justify sponsoring/supplying cheap credit to encourage the setting up of a pipe mill to supply this tubing and avoid delays.
The same applies to Forgemasters on-again/off-again superdooper 15,000 tonne forging press; there needs to be carefully tailored industrial policy so that supply bottlenecks do not appear and UK industry has the ability to compete and supply the material needed to keep the country's infrastructure in working order and build new developments.
The same applies to Forgemasters on-again/off-again superdooper 15,000 tonne forging press; there needs to be carefully tailored industrial policy so that supply bottlenecks do not appear and UK industry has the ability to compete and supply the material needed to keep the country's infrastructure in working order and build new developments.
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