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Strong words indeed. Surely CRU will have to sue or admit it. Whatever they say, if they don't sue it is an admission of guilt. If I was called a liar regarding such an important subject where my scientific reputation was on the line and I knew I wasn't I'd definitely be in touch with M'learned friends.
rovermorris999 said:
Strong words indeed. Surely CRU will have to sue or admit it. Whatever they say, if they don't sue it is an admission of guilt. If I was called a liar regarding such an important subject where my scientific reputation was on the line and I knew I wasn't I'd definitely be in touch with M'learned friends.
But they can't sue, because their lies are now in writing, proven and for all to see.Globs said:
rovermorris999 said:
Strong words indeed. Surely CRU will have to sue or admit it. Whatever they say, if they don't sue it is an admission of guilt. If I was called a liar regarding such an important subject where my scientific reputation was on the line and I knew I wasn't I'd definitely be in touch with M'learned friends.
But they can't sue, because their lies are now in writing, proven and for all to see.Indeed, the WUWT people could go a step further and invite CRU to issue proceedings IF they wish to deny it, or else have it deemed accepted......
David Cameron Faces Civil War Over 'Wind Turbine Toryism'
A battered David Cameron and Nick Clegg will try to halt an outbreak of infighting between the two Coalition parties after both suffered heavy losses in the local elections. Conservative and Liberal Democrat politicians turned on each other as Labour emerged as the big winner from Thursday's contests in 180 authorities. Amid a backlash from his party, the Prime Minister came under pressure to rein in the Lib Dems. Senior right-wingers David Davis and John Redwood will issue an "alternative Queen's Speech" reflecting traditional Conservative values, calling for an end to "wind-turbine Toryism".
Andrew Grice, The Independent, 05 May 2012
David Cameron is struggling to contain civil war in the Coalition following a painful setback in local elections for both Government parties. Last night the Prime Minister was warned to rein in ‘wind turbine Toryism’ as senior Conservative MPs prepared to publish an alternative programme for Government, demanding more radical tax and spending policies.
James Chapman, Daily Mail, 04 May 2012
A battered David Cameron and Nick Clegg will try to halt an outbreak of infighting between the two Coalition parties after both suffered heavy losses in the local elections. Conservative and Liberal Democrat politicians turned on each other as Labour emerged as the big winner from Thursday's contests in 180 authorities. Amid a backlash from his party, the Prime Minister came under pressure to rein in the Lib Dems. Senior right-wingers David Davis and John Redwood will issue an "alternative Queen's Speech" reflecting traditional Conservative values, calling for an end to "wind-turbine Toryism".
Andrew Grice, The Independent, 05 May 2012
David Cameron is struggling to contain civil war in the Coalition following a painful setback in local elections for both Government parties. Last night the Prime Minister was warned to rein in ‘wind turbine Toryism’ as senior Conservative MPs prepared to publish an alternative programme for Government, demanding more radical tax and spending policies.
James Chapman, Daily Mail, 04 May 2012
turbobloke said:
David Cameron Faces Civil War Over 'Wind Turbine Toryism'
A battered David Cameron and Nick Clegg will try to halt an outbreak of infighting between the two Coalition parties after both suffered heavy losses in the local elections. Conservative and Liberal Democrat politicians turned on each other as Labour emerged as the big winner from Thursday's contests in 180 authorities. Amid a backlash from his party, the Prime Minister came under pressure to rein in the Lib Dems. Senior right-wingers David Davis and John Redwood will issue an "alternative Queen's Speech" reflecting traditional Conservative values, calling for an end to "wind-turbine Toryism".
Andrew Grice, The Independent, 05 May 2012
David Cameron is struggling to contain civil war in the Coalition following a painful setback in local elections for both Government parties. Last night the Prime Minister was warned to rein in ‘wind turbine Toryism’ as senior Conservative MPs prepared to publish an alternative programme for Government, demanding more radical tax and spending policies.
James Chapman, Daily Mail, 04 May 2012
Good! I hope the whole stinking mess implodes around him and his corrupt cronies, what will replace them can hardly be worse.........can it?A battered David Cameron and Nick Clegg will try to halt an outbreak of infighting between the two Coalition parties after both suffered heavy losses in the local elections. Conservative and Liberal Democrat politicians turned on each other as Labour emerged as the big winner from Thursday's contests in 180 authorities. Amid a backlash from his party, the Prime Minister came under pressure to rein in the Lib Dems. Senior right-wingers David Davis and John Redwood will issue an "alternative Queen's Speech" reflecting traditional Conservative values, calling for an end to "wind-turbine Toryism".
Andrew Grice, The Independent, 05 May 2012
David Cameron is struggling to contain civil war in the Coalition following a painful setback in local elections for both Government parties. Last night the Prime Minister was warned to rein in ‘wind turbine Toryism’ as senior Conservative MPs prepared to publish an alternative programme for Government, demanding more radical tax and spending policies.
James Chapman, Daily Mail, 04 May 2012
mybrainhurts said:
Are you aware of what the BBC has to lose when the truth is universally accepted?
Not going down without a fight!!!Dinosaur gases 'warmed the Earth'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17953792
Jaged said:
Not going down without a fight!!!
Dinosaur gases 'warmed the Earth'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17953792
They'll switch their aim from Co2 to methane.... I can see the headline now " Methane in farts. Silent and deadly .."Dinosaur gases 'warmed the Earth'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17953792
This wind of change (sic) is not a good one, it is a sly one.
The writing is on the wall for Co2 as far as a culprit for the cause of global warming is concerned, it was always shakey ground and this subtle shift is vital to protect the idealism.
We are dealing with idealism, not science, just political idealism.
Co2 will be dropped like a stone if the blame can't be hung on it successfully.
They're problem is associating blame with a cash-cow...
The writing is on the wall for Co2 as far as a culprit for the cause of global warming is concerned, it was always shakey ground and this subtle shift is vital to protect the idealism.
We are dealing with idealism, not science, just political idealism.
Co2 will be dropped like a stone if the blame can't be hung on it successfully.
They're problem is associating blame with a cash-cow...
Gene Vincent said:
This wind of change (sic) is not a good one, it is a sly one.
The writing is on the wall for Co2 as far as a culprit for the cause of global warming is concerned, it was always shakey ground and this subtle shift is vital to protect the idealism.
We are dealing with idealism, not science, just political idealism.
Co2 will be dropped like a stone if the blame can't be hung on it successfully.
They're problem is associating blame with a cash-cow...
Well a new methane tax on food obviously, double rates on baked beans!The writing is on the wall for Co2 as far as a culprit for the cause of global warming is concerned, it was always shakey ground and this subtle shift is vital to protect the idealism.
We are dealing with idealism, not science, just political idealism.
Co2 will be dropped like a stone if the blame can't be hung on it successfully.
They're problem is associating blame with a cash-cow...
Globs said:
Well a new methane tax on food obviously, double rates on baked beans!
I was thinking about this while I was tending my vegetable patch recently. I thought that by planting lots of vegetables which I will eventually eat that surely I should be entitled to some sort of carbon credit which I could then offset against my spiraling energy bill or something. It then occurred to me that whilst my vegetables are removing CO2 from the atmosphere as soon as I eat them I will then convert the vegetables to Methane which as a GHG is around 5 times as potent as CO2. This is a bit of a conundrum so following the example of warmists everywhere when faced with this sort of thing I decided it was probably best just not to think about it.
turbobloke said:
Good time to have chickens then! Or similar. Very few birds have methanogenic bacteria apparently.
IIRC the "Scientific Consensus" is that birds are decended from Dinosaurs.So how do we know that Dinosaurs had methanogenic bacteria?
Maybe Dinosaurs didn't fart?
Unless someone has done an autopsy on a T Rex?
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