Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

[anonymous-user]

p1stonhead said:

Another eloquent response. Shame we can't see you doing the hand movements like Trump.

Why is it a shame?

[Balmoral]

Fastdruid said:

TLandCruiser said:

It just annoys me that people can't respect democracy, labours shadows minister resigned in protest because her constituents overwhelming voted to remain so she won't agree to vote for article 50. Yet the majority of the country did and using her logic if the majority of her constituents vote labour at the next GE and we get a conservative government will she campaign and resign out of protest because her constituents did not vote for a Conservative government.

She voted for the referendum. If she didn't want to let the people choose she shouldn't have voted for it.

TBF, she is at least voting in line with her constituents (75% remain). It's all those MP's who are dead set against the wishes of their constituents with a similar high percentage leave vote that annoy me.

[Fastdruid]

Balmoral said:

Fastdruid said:

TLandCruiser said:

It just annoys me that people can't respect democracy, labours shadows minister resigned in protest because her constituents overwhelming voted to remain so she won't agree to vote for article 50. Yet the majority of the country did and using her logic if the majority of her constituents vote labour at the next GE and we get a conservative government will she campaign and resign out of protest because her constituents did not vote for a Conservative government.

She voted for the referendum. If she didn't want to let the people choose she shouldn't have voted for it.

TBF, she is at least voting in line with her constituents (75% remain). It's all those MP's who are dead set against the wishes of their constituents with a similar high percentage leave vote that annoy me.

She voted on favour of having a national referendum on whether to remain in or leave the EU.
She wanted to put the question to the people.
She just doesn't like the answer they gave.

[Murph7355]

Balmoral said:

TBF, she is at least voting in line with her constituents (75% remain). It's all those MP's who are dead set against the wishes of their constituents with a similar high percentage leave vote that annoy me.

It's been mentioned about MPs being reps not delegates. I can see the distinction though am not entirely comfortable with it in the majority of circumstances.

However, if we are to take the rep thing on board, then making their votes that bit more transparent seems in order...Advertising something like this - https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2016-12... - might help.

[FiF]

Well seeing as Verhofstadt is saying that in the event of Bregret Britain could be offered a fast track back into membership of the EU link

So the thread might not be dead after all, volume 2 of the thread might get to volume 22.


Edited to correct Android auto (in)correct. Blinding useless system.

Edited by FiF on Saturday 28th January 12:32

[Fastdruid]

FiF said:

Well seeing as Verhofstadt is saying that in the event of Brereton Britain could be offered a fast track back into membership of the EU link

So the thread might not be dead after all, volume 2 of the thread might get to volume 22.

He has nothing to do with the UK being accepted back. It's all going to be up to the individual countries and they very well may not let us.

I also find that he keeps being called "chief negotiator" annoying, AIUI he has fk all to do with it, hes just the go-between to the EU parliament in the process.

Edited by Fastdruid on Saturday 28th January 13:23

[Dr Jekyll]

Some surprisingly thoughtful observations from a LibDem remainer

http://www.libdemvoice.org/remainer-myths-and-post...

But look at some of the comments

Remainer said:

Anyone that claims that Leave means Leave automatically demonstrates their ignorance about the complexity of the legal situation, the politics, economics and trade implications of leaving.

[Elysium]

Fastdruid said:

Balmoral said:

Fastdruid said:

TLandCruiser said:

It just annoys me that people can't respect democracy, labours shadows minister resigned in protest because her constituents overwhelming voted to remain so she won't agree to vote for article 50. Yet the majority of the country did and using her logic if the majority of her constituents vote labour at the next GE and we get a conservative government will she campaign and resign out of protest because her constituents did not vote for a Conservative government.

She voted for the referendum. If she didn't want to let the people choose she shouldn't have voted for it.

TBF, she is at least voting in line with her constituents (75% remain). It's all those MP's who are dead set against the wishes of their constituents with a similar high percentage leave vote that annoy me.

She voted on favour of having a national referendum on whether to remain in or leave the EU.
She wanted to put the question to the people.
She just doesn't like the answer they gave.

MP's are elected to represent the local interests of their constituents at national level. The most democratic position is for them to vote in accordance with the wishes of their constituents, as expressed via the referendum.

If all MP's do this then article 50 will still get triggered, because a majority of constituencies voted leave.

Answering the original point, if you get a labour MP and the conservatives win, then they represent the desire for the local constituents to progress labour policies by opposing the Govt.

[anonymous-user]

I hope my MP votes against article 50, in line with most of her constituents.
Will be a bit awkward though as Mrs May is the MP.
Guess her seat will be a little less safe at the next election..

[Balmoral]

[Fastdruid]

Elysium said:

Fastdruid said:

Balmoral said:

Fastdruid said:

TLandCruiser said:

It just annoys me that people can't respect democracy, labours shadows minister resigned in protest because her constituents overwhelming voted to remain so she won't agree to vote for article 50. Yet the majority of the country did and using her logic if the majority of her constituents vote labour at the next GE and we get a conservative government will she campaign and resign out of protest because her constituents did not vote for a Conservative government.

She voted for the referendum. If she didn't want to let the people choose she shouldn't have voted for it.

TBF, she is at least voting in line with her constituents (75% remain). It's all those MP's who are dead set against the wishes of their constituents with a similar high percentage leave vote that annoy me.

She voted on favour of having a national referendum on whether to remain in or leave the EU.
She wanted to put the question to the people.
She just doesn't like the answer they gave.

MP's are elected to represent the local interests of their constituents at national level. The most democratic position is for them to vote in accordance with the wishes of their constituents, as expressed via the referendum.

If all MP's do this then article 50 will still get triggered, because a majority of constituencies voted leave.

Answering the original point, if you get a labour MP and the conservatives win, then they represent the desire for the local constituents to progress labour policies by opposing the Govt.

It wasn't a local referendum it was a national referendum.

If their constituency was best served by remaining in the EU they should have voted against the referendum.

Kenneth Clarke wanted to stay in the EU, he voted against the referendum. I fully expect him to vote against triggering A.50 and he has my respect for that.
The MPs who voted *for* the referendum but now are going to vote against triggering A.50 I have no respect for.

[FiF]

Fastdruid said:

FiF said:

Well seeing as Verhofstadt is saying that in the event of Bregret Britain could be offered a fast track back into membership of the EU link

So the thread might not be dead after all, volume 2 of the thread might get to volume 22.

He has nothing to do with the UK being accepted back. It's all going to be up to the individual countries and they very well not let us.

I also find that he keeps being called "chief negotiator" annoying, AIUI he has fk all to do with it, hes just the go-between to the EU parliament in the process.

Of course, but all these folks on the EU side who keep popping their heads up represent various views of all complexions. It's an indicator that the EU is not the unified body all pulling together to implement whatever flavour strategy is supported by whoever is picking up on the comment.

There will be people who support this, and thus the EU-philes are going to give up, so in the event we do leave, and at every hiccup in the road, and let's be honest there will be some, there will be those who push to rejoin, U-turn if you want to. Now who was it who said that?

[Pan Pan Pan]

I wrote to my MP asking him if he would be supporting the democratic decision of the people of the UK to leave the EU. He wrote back saying he categorically would be voting for the triggering of article 50.
We all have Hansard to enable us to check whether our specific MP was telling the truth or just lying. After that we have the next general election where they can be informed that they will, or wont be voted for, on the basis of how they voted on the triggering of article 50.
Those that chose to ignore the democratic vote of the UK, can then start looking for jobs at McDonalds. But apologies, and understanding if McDonalds don't want to take on untrustworthy, lying personnel.

[don4l]

I found some evidence that "Remain" voters are more intelligent than "Leave" voters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paEBJwQ6ZFo

[Deptford Draylons]

don4l said:

I found some evidence that "Remain" voters are more intelligent than "Leave" voters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paEBJwQ6ZFo

Blimey, that's some odd people they've found there. This guy on the end of this video ( 6.45 in ) surely has to be a parody, despite sounding more than a bit like some ardent Remain types on PH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1-7_lPsJYQ

[don4l]

Deptford Draylons said:

don4l said:

I found some evidence that "Remain" voters are more intelligent than "Leave" voters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paEBJwQ6ZFo

Blimey, that's some odd people they've found there. This guy on the end of this video ( 6.45 in ) surely has to be a parody, despite sounding more than a bit like some ardent Remain types on PH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1-7_lPsJYQ

Could he be ajd?

By the way, I love the music at the beginning of this video. Does anybody know who the band are?

[Gogoplata]

don4l said:

Deptford Draylons said:

don4l said:

I found some evidence that "Remain" voters are more intelligent than "Leave" voters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paEBJwQ6ZFo

Blimey, that's some odd people they've found there. This guy on the end of this video ( 6.45 in ) surely has to be a parody, despite sounding more than a bit like some ardent Remain types on PH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1-7_lPsJYQ

Could he be ajd?

By the way, I love the music at the beginning of this video. Does anybody know who the band are?

NSYNC

[Norfolkit]

Dr Jekyll said:

Some surprisingly thoughtful observations from a LibDem remainer

http://www.libdemvoice.org/remainer-myths-and-post...

But look at some of the comments

Remainer said:

Anyone that claims that Leave means Leave automatically demonstrates their ignorance about the complexity of the legal situation, the politics, economics and trade implications of leaving.

I love this "One reason we need to be ready for that – and this is not intended to be a personal criticism, but an honest appraisal – is that that shift would presumably move Nick Clegg to the fore and Tim to the rear."

They actually see Cleggy as an asset, unbelievable but apparently true in the alternative Lib Dem universe.

[powerstroke]

Fastdruid said:

He has nothing to do with the UK being accepted back. It's all going to be up to the individual countries and they very well may not let us.

I also find that he keeps being called "chief negotiator" annoying, AIUI he has fk all to do with it, hes just the go-between to the EU parliament in the process.

Edited by Fastdruid on Saturday 28th January 13:23

Let us back in !!! fk that We haven't escaped it's evil clutches yet !! Maybe when the french and the dutch have had their elections in the spring they will want to join us for some serious outward looking world trade ... EU is dying

[powerstroke]

Deptford Draylons said:

Blimey, that's some odd people they've found there. This guy on the end of this video ( 6.45 in ) surely has to be a parody, despite sounding more than a bit like some ardent Remain types on PH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1-7_lPsJYQ

Where do these morons get the idea the EU is some fluffy utopia ???