Israeli

[Grumfutock]

RedTrident said:

I wouldn't say it was pointless. At every stage the defenders of child murderers have been shown to trying to defend the indefensible. And that the majority of people who have any insight on this issue see Israel for the thieving war criminal terrorist state that it is.

Not pointless at all. The world is turning against people who use past atrocities before their life time to justify putting other people in concentration camps.

Wonderful! Truly great work!

[league67]

Grumfutock said:

league67 said:

Grumfutock said:

league67 said:

Grumfutock said:

league67 said:

Do you ever wonder why so many people, who don't know each other, think that you are both stupid and socipath? Could it be another conspiracy?

So many? What about 5 of you share an opinion? Wow the WHOLE world is against us.

When spoken to, grasshopper.

You were referring to somebody else? Really?

Yes, to scuffers, although you are right, it equally applies to you.

Oh sorry, both Scuffers. Now I get it.

You, unsurprisingly, don't get anything. Being a self confessed target dummy for 20 years probably does that to one. Especially when the starting point was as low to begin with.

[Grumfutock]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Israel deny access to Gaza to Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. Wonder why?

Yep a link to an Iranian website. Not surprised.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-288448... (more lies and propaganda maybe? Could all of been made up)

[Jimbeaux]

RedTrident said:

Joey Ramone said:

Pointless fking thread. Hundreds of pages of circular arguments and name calling.

I wouldn't say it was pointless. At every stage the defenders of child murderers have been shown to trying to defend the indefensible. And that the majority of people who have any insight on this issue see Israel for the thieving war criminal terrorist state that it is.

Not pointless at all. The world is turning against people who use past atrocities before their life time to justify putting other people in concentration camps.

I would wager more children are killed by those in Gaza than by the Israelis. Furthermore, they are killed purposely, not by being within the radius of a bomb. In other words, they were murdered in Gaza by non-Israelis for the purpose of publicity or for retribution for non-compliance. DOn't act as if this does not happen. Intent is important, regardless of what you say; that is why intent is always a key component of a legal case, because it does matter.

[Alpinestars]

Jimbeaux said:

I would wager more children are killed by those in Gaza than by the Israelis. Furthermore, they are killed purposely, not by being within the radius of a bomb. In other words, they were murdered in Gaza by non-Israelis for the purpose of publicity or for retribution for non-compliance. DOn't act as if this does not happen. Intent is important, regardless of what you say; that is why intent is always a key component of a legal case, because it does matter.

And that justifies Israel killing children does it?

[Jimbeaux]

Alpinestars said:

Jimbeaux said:

I would wager more children are killed by those in Gaza than by the Israelis. Furthermore, they are killed purposely, not by being within the radius of a bomb. In other words, they were murdered in Gaza by non-Israelis for the purpose of publicity or for retribution for non-compliance. DOn't act as if this does not happen. Intent is important, regardless of what you say; that is why intent is always a key component of a legal case, because it does matter.

And that justifies Israel killing children does it?

Of course not. However, the fact that they are not trying to kill children contrasts them to those of the Gaza side that are. It is all a sad and stty situation with failt all around but for God's sake, let's show some anger and drive to rid those people of Hamas because that is why they are dying. No Hamas, no need to shoot back. Damn, your not-so-long-dead-ancestors (if you are of Brit ancestory) would be staring at you in embarrassing disbelief.

[league67]

Blib said:

TheRealFingers99 said:

Israel deny access to Gaza to Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. Wonder why?

Maybe for a similar reason to why Mrs Blib quit as a lead Advocate for Amnesty many, many years ago. Covert & overt deeply political agendas?

Ah the Amnesty, that well known puppet of Hamas. AI has been accused of bias by;
-Democratic Republic of the Congo
-Vietnam
-People's Republic of China
-American Jewish Congress
-Mrs Blib
-Many others
(in no particular order).

[Alpinestars]

Jimbeaux said:

Of course not. However, the fact that they are not trying to kill children contrasts them to those of the Gaza side that are. It is all a sad and stty situation with failt all around but for God's sake, let's show some anger and drive to rid those people of Hamas because that is why they are dying. No Hamas, no need to shoot back. Damn, your not-so-long-dead-ancestors (if you are of Brit ancestory) would be staring at you in embarrassing disbelief.

And why do you think Hamas are there in the first place? Disillusionment at the way the Israeli's treat Palestinians perhaps?

And just because you think Hamas is killing chilren in Palestine, it does not make it any better that Israel is killing children, so no need for you to associate the two.

[Scuffers]

Alpinestars said:

Jimbeaux said:

I would wager more children are killed by those in Gaza than by the Israelis. Furthermore, they are killed purposely, not by being within the radius of a bomb. In other words, they were murdered in Gaza by non-Israelis for the purpose of publicity or for retribution for non-compliance. DOn't act as if this does not happen. Intent is important, regardless of what you say; that is why intent is always a key component of a legal case, because it does matter.

And that justifies Israel killing children does it?

this is where the problem is, your total blinkered way for avoiding the actual issues.

let's be 100% clear, are you suggesting that the IDF are deliberately targeting children?

if you are, then quite honestly, you are barking, no matter what you think of their cause/position/stance, any sane intelligent person would understand that by doing so is not only beyond the pale, but so counter-productive as to destroy any political justification for your actions.

Look, NOBODY is suggesting that some children have been killed, way too many, BUT, to try and make out that this is IDF policy/targeting is just pathetic.

truth be known (and we probably never will the way the so called press are working), I would wager good money on a very high proportion of the child deaths are at the hands of Hamas and their fellow nutters with everything from wayward rockets to human shields.

But you just can't get your head round that can you? you just can't accept that the IDF are going out of their way NOT to kill civilians, despite the best efforts of Hamas and co. and can;t stop screaming 'genocide'

I have to ask, have you ever been anywhere near a war zone? do you have the slightest idea what it's like?

personally, considering the sheer volume of weaponry used so far, I think the casualty numbers are stunningly low, and no, that does not mean I condone the killing of any civilian.

then we get to the problem of what you call a child and a civilian in the context of Gaza.

Look, it's very messed up, and if there is going to be any possibility of a solution there, having people like you screaming for IDF blood all the time is not helping is it?

I used to this that anti-semitic crap was in the past, but I am clearly wrong judging by the amount of xenophobia in this thread.

[Alpinestars]

Scuffers said:

this is where the problem is, your total blinkered way for avoiding the actual issues.

let's be 100% clear, are you suggesting that the IDF are deliberately targeting children?

if you are, then quite honestly, you are barking, no matter what you think of their cause/position/stance, any sane intelligent person would understand that by doing so is not only beyond the pale, but so counter-productive as to destroy any political justification for your actions.

Look, NOBODY is suggesting that some children have been killed, way too many, BUT, to try and make out that this is IDF policy/targeting is just pathetic.

truth be known (and we probably never will the way the so called press are working), I would wager good money on a very high proportion of the child deaths are at the hands of Hamas and their fellow nutters with everything from wayward rockets to human shields.

But you just can't get your head round that can you? you just can't accept that the IDF are going out of their way NOT to kill civilians, despite the best efforts of Hamas and co. and can;t stop screaming 'genocide'

I have to ask, have you ever been anywhere near a war zone? do you have the slightest idea what it's like?

personally, considering the sheer volume of weaponry used so far, I think the casualty numbers are stunningly low, and no, that does not mean I condone the killing of any civilian.

then we get to the problem of what you call a child and a civilian in the context of Gaza.

Look, it's very messed up, and if there is going to be any possibility of a solution there, having people like you screaming for IDF blood all the time is not helping is it?

I used to this that anti-semitic crap was in the past, but I am clearly wrong judging by the amount of xenophobia in this thread.

Who's screaming for IDF blood you hypocrite?

[Grumfutock]

Scuffers said:

I have to ask, have you ever been anywhere near a war zone? do you have the slightest idea what it's like?

And there, in my opinion, is the problem. All these arm chair generals and keyboard warriors raised on hollywood movies. They believe the phrase "smart bomb" means that they are so smart they only kill bad guys. And when the blast or shrapnel takes out a kid cycling past they cry foul. But they know best.

[Scuffers]

come again?

what are you on about?

and, if by cue, the nutters are at it again:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-288570...

but of course, they are all peace seeking missiles...

[Slyjoe]

Is anyone else concerned that the Islamic state if they can consolidate what they are doing in the middle east will then take a dig at Israel?
Sureley the sh#t will hit the fan then?

[Scuffers]

Slyjoe said:

Is anyone else concerned that the Islamic state if they can consolidate what they are doing in the middle east will then take a dig at Israel?
Sureley the sh#t will hit the fan then?

yup, very much so...

then you go the other way into Turkey, not forgetting heading for Iran whilst your at it.

everybody in the region is at risk from these nutjobs, especially when you consider just how many of them are from other countries (like here!) and have zero clue what they are doing.

[Funkycoldribena]

I know I bang on about pallywood but this one from 2013 is great....especially when the paramedic bandages the wrong bit of him.
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/latest-...

[Slyjoe]

Scuffers said:

Slyjoe said:

Is anyone else concerned that the Islamic state if they can consolidate what they are doing in the middle east will then take a dig at Israel?
Sureley the sh#t will hit the fan then?

yup, very much so...

then you go the other way into Turkey, not forgetting heading for Iran whilst your at it.

everybody in the region is at risk from these nutjobs, especially when you consider just how many of them are from other countries (like here!) and have zero clue what they are doing.

Turkey is part of NATO? so thats a biggy, I should imagine Iran won't take any nonsence, and we've just seen what Israel will do when threatened.
Sh#ts about to get serious, no?

[Grumfutock]

Scuffers said:

yup, very much so...

then you go the other way into Turkey, not forgetting heading for Iran whilst your at it.

everybody in the region is at risk from these nutjobs, especially when you consider just how many of them are from other countries (like here!) and have zero clue what they are doing.

On the up side they consider fighting Hamas as the 1st step toward confrontation with Israel.

[Jimbeaux]

Alpinestars said:

Jimbeaux said:

Of course not. However, the fact that they are not trying to kill children contrasts them to those of the Gaza side that are. It is all a sad and stty situation with failt all around but for God's sake, let's show some anger and drive to rid those people of Hamas because that is why they are dying. No Hamas, no need to shoot back. Damn, your not-so-long-dead-ancestors (if you are of Brit ancestory) would be staring at you in embarrassing disbelief.

And why do you think Hamas are there in the first place? Disillusionment at the way the Israeli's treat Palestinians perhaps?

And just because you think Hamas is killing chilren in Palestine, it does not make it any better that Israel is killing children, so no need for you to associate the two.

No need to associate the two?? So, you want to highlight just one part of people dying but supress or ignore the other? As to why they are there in the first place, it is for their own agenda that has nothing to do with "Palestine". Furthermore, the Hamas rockets came before the blockade.

[Scuffers]

Slyjoe said:

Scuffers said:

Slyjoe said:

Is anyone else concerned that the Islamic state if they can consolidate what they are doing in the middle east will then take a dig at Israel?
Sureley the sh#t will hit the fan then?

yup, very much so...

then you go the other way into Turkey, not forgetting heading for Iran whilst your at it.

everybody in the region is at risk from these nutjobs, especially when you consider just how many of them are from other countries (like here!) and have zero clue what they are doing.

Turkey is part of NATO? so thats a biggy, I should imagine Iran won't take any nonsence, and we've just seen what Israel will do when threatened.
Sh#ts about to get serious, no?

another problem is we are currently arming the Kurds, which is great, just ask Turkey what they think of that....

[Lost soul]

Funkycoldribena said:

I know I bang on about pallywood but this one from 2013 is great....especially when the paramedic bandages the wrong bit of him.
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/latest-...

Little st , hysterical bunch of s the lot of them