Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
powerstroke said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Blimey, that's some odd people they've found there. This guy on the end of this video ( 6.45 in ) surely has to be a parody, despite sounding more than a bit like some ardent Remain types on PH.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1-7_lPsJYQ
Where do these morons get the idea the EU is some fluffy utopia ??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1-7_lPsJYQ
Why can't we just get a leader like Trump. Life would be so much simpler.
bmw535i said:
Is it something to do with racism or posters or something? I find it all so confusing.
Why can't we just get a leader like Trump. Life would be so much simpler.
Well some of us tried , sadly most people like the LAB /CON/LAB/CON ping pong and vote how their parents voted Why can't we just get a leader like Trump. Life would be so much simpler.
so apart from the dim light at the end of the tunnel that is BREXIT we are destined to have
boring middle of the road governments.. mind May seems to be allmost sensible but we will have to see.... talk is cheep!!
powerstroke said:
Well some of us tried , sadly most people like the LAB /CON/LAB/CON ping pong and vote how their parents voted
so apart from the dim light at the end of the tunnel that is BREXIT we are destined to have
boring middle of the road governments.. mind May seems to be allmost sensible but we will have to see talk is cheep!!
Have faith, the light gets brighter by the day.so apart from the dim light at the end of the tunnel that is BREXIT we are destined to have
boring middle of the road governments.. mind May seems to be allmost sensible but we will have to see talk is cheep!!
Fastdruid said:
Elysium said:
Fastdruid said:
Balmoral said:
Fastdruid said:
TLandCruiser said:
It just annoys me that people can't respect democracy, labours shadows minister resigned in protest because her constituents overwhelming voted to remain so she won't agree to vote for article 50. Yet the majority of the country did and using her logic if the majority of her constituents vote labour at the next GE and we get a conservative government will she campaign and resign out of protest because her constituents did not vote for a Conservative government.
She voted for the referendum. If she didn't want to let the people choose she shouldn't have voted for it. She wanted to put the question to the people.
She just doesn't like the answer they gave.
If all MP's do this then article 50 will still get triggered, because a majority of constituencies voted leave.
Answering the original point, if you get a labour MP and the conservatives win, then they represent the desire for the local constituents to progress labour policies by opposing the Govt.
If their constituency was best served by remaining in the EU they should have voted against the referendum.
Kenneth Clarke wanted to stay in the EU, he voted against the referendum. I fully expect him to vote against triggering A.50 and he has my respect for that.
The MPs who voted *for* the referendum but now are going to vote against triggering A.50 I have no respect for.
The referendum was national and advisory. All MP's were briefed on this in writing. There can have been no confusion. A vote for the referendum was not a vote for automatic implementation of the result.
They will all have expected to be involved in further debate and action depending on the results of the referendum. They would not have expected Theresa May's failed attempts to exclude that.
They now have a choice:
1. Vote based on their convictions
2. Vote based on the national result
3. Vote based on the local constituency result
Ken Clarke voted against a referendum. He has always been pro-Europe and a substantial majority of his constituents voted remain. On that basis, two out of three of the above align and I fully understand his position.
Elysium said:
As I said MP's represent the local interests of their constituents at national level.
The referendum was national and advisory. All MP's were briefed on this in writing. There can have been no confusion. A vote for the referendum was not a vote for automatic implementation of the result.
They will all have expected to be involved in further debate and action depending on the results of the referendum. They would not have expected Theresa May's failed attempts to exclude that.
They now have a choice:
1. Vote based on their convictions
2. Vote based on the national result
3. Vote based on the local constituency result
Ken Clarke voted against a referendum. He has always been pro-Europe and a substantial majority of his constituents voted remain. On that basis, two out of three of the above align and I fully understand his position.
You say MPs were told in writing that the result would not automatically be implemented. This is not what the voting public was told. The referendum was national and advisory. All MP's were briefed on this in writing. There can have been no confusion. A vote for the referendum was not a vote for automatic implementation of the result.
They will all have expected to be involved in further debate and action depending on the results of the referendum. They would not have expected Theresa May's failed attempts to exclude that.
They now have a choice:
1. Vote based on their convictions
2. Vote based on the national result
3. Vote based on the local constituency result
Ken Clarke voted against a referendum. He has always been pro-Europe and a substantial majority of his constituents voted remain. On that basis, two out of three of the above align and I fully understand his position.
We were informed that A50 would be implemented immediately. Obviously this was not true, as DC (along with every other remain voter) was too arrogant to think they'd lose.
All of this is pretty irrelevant now - it's quite clear that despite attempts to thwart Brexit, it will succeed.
alfabadass said:
Newsflash...look at how expensive everything is. Look at the value of the ££.
It's not going to be sudden but you're blind if you can't see the repercussions in every day life.
This arguing is moot anyway.
The UK won't leave...once the EU negotiators rinse us, only a fool would leave.
I think you may be slightly dissapointed chap. It's not going to be sudden but you're blind if you can't see the repercussions in every day life.
This arguing is moot anyway.
The UK won't leave...once the EU negotiators rinse us, only a fool would leave.
alfabadass said:
Newsflash...look at how expensive everything is. Look at the value of the ££.
It's not going to be sudden but you're blind if you can't see the repercussions in every day life.
This arguing is moot anyway.
The UK won't leave...once the EU negotiators rinse us, only a fool would leave.
It's not going to be sudden but you're blind if you can't see the repercussions in every day life.
This arguing is moot anyway.
The UK won't leave...once the EU negotiators rinse us, only a fool would leave.
yes, everything was ever so cheap before 23rd June Did you not get the bit where TM said if we do get "rinsed" by negotiations, we'll leave without a deal? It's what the majority want - deal or no deal.
Stop deluding yourself. I bet you were saying on 22nd June "we'll see remain win".
alfabadass said:
Newsflash...look at how expensive everything is. Look at the value of the ££.
It's not going to be sudden but you're blind if you can't see the repercussions in every day life.
This arguing is moot anyway.
The UK won't leave...once the EU negotiators rinse us, only a fool would leave.
You'll never get them to see it - they are too focused on removing the immigration that is clearly blighting their lives and is the reason for their misery in the EU, along with oppressive rules like WEEE that soft UK regulators will get rid of. Oh. Just a cover story for immigration then. It's not going to be sudden but you're blind if you can't see the repercussions in every day life.
This arguing is moot anyway.
The UK won't leave...once the EU negotiators rinse us, only a fool would leave.
I have been wondering how miserable the lives of 535i & others must be when they are so convinced this leap into the dark will improve their lot.
There will be disappointment all round - I note the politicians are actually looking to blame the "will of the people" and make sure that they are just going along with the masses whilst making it clear (reading between the lines) they think it will be s
t. I suppose exposing it as totally s
t will end up being one of the methods to both preserve democracy and eventually sell the message that listening to xenophobic arsewipes like Farage, Banks et al never ends well. Lessons from history. It seems we always need fairly recent examples to remind us and declare - never again. And before the crows start with "talking down the country" - realise this is just my take on reality. We won't have as good a deal with the EU as we have now - and ironically the must promised Indian and US trade deals are going to be bad news for - guess who? - the poorest in the UK.
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