Conservative MP - Police Rant.
Discussion
turbobloke said:
Almost certainly worse overall but some will be better off, if it's Labour then based on their last failed go at running the country, those better off will be the wealthiest one percent.
That doesn't make the present shower any better and CMD is woeful.
In terms of damaging public services, making the cost match more closely the money available isn't damaging as such, it's simply a reality check and it would be irresponsible not to do something. The problem is they're barely scratching the surface and still spending too much.
I know savings have to be made and more efficient ways of working found. I can obviously only really comment on the police, but I know of jobs where some (admittedly not the most cost effective) forensic submissions have been refused because of the costs involved. There will be jobs where those submissions will mean the difference to suspects being charged (or not). That doesn't make the present shower any better and CMD is woeful.
In terms of damaging public services, making the cost match more closely the money available isn't damaging as such, it's simply a reality check and it would be irresponsible not to do something. The problem is they're barely scratching the surface and still spending too much.
Dibble said:
turbobloke said:
Almost certainly worse overall but some will be better off, if it's Labour then based on their last failed go at running the country, those better off will be the wealthiest one percent.
That doesn't make the present shower any better and CMD is woeful.
In terms of damaging public services, making the cost match more closely the money available isn't damaging as such, it's simply a reality check and it would be irresponsible not to do something. The problem is they're barely scratching the surface and still spending too much.
I know savings have to be made and more efficient ways of working found. I can obviously only really comment on the police, but I know of jobs where some (admittedly not the most cost effective) forensic submissions have been refused because of the costs involved. There will be jobs where those submissions will mean the difference to suspects being charged (or not). That doesn't make the present shower any better and CMD is woeful.
In terms of damaging public services, making the cost match more closely the money available isn't damaging as such, it's simply a reality check and it would be irresponsible not to do something. The problem is they're barely scratching the surface and still spending too much.
turbobloke said:
Dibble said:
turbobloke said:
Almost certainly worse overall but some will be better off, if it's Labour then based on their last failed go at running the country, those better off will be the wealthiest one percent.
That doesn't make the present shower any better and CMD is woeful.
In terms of damaging public services, making the cost match more closely the money available isn't damaging as such, it's simply a reality check and it would be irresponsible not to do something. The problem is they're barely scratching the surface and still spending too much.
I know savings have to be made and more efficient ways of working found. I can obviously only really comment on the police, but I know of jobs where some (admittedly not the most cost effective) forensic submissions have been refused because of the costs involved. There will be jobs where those submissions will mean the difference to suspects being charged (or not). That doesn't make the present shower any better and CMD is woeful.
In terms of damaging public services, making the cost match more closely the money available isn't damaging as such, it's simply a reality check and it would be irresponsible not to do something. The problem is they're barely scratching the surface and still spending too much.
Gadget makes a good point about May's claims - I don't do any less paperwork now than 5 years ago. I often deal with "non crime" issues too.
FiF said:
Well said, be on your way too Camoron (sic)
They really are dead men walking aren't they?
Can almost hear the printing presses cranking up to run-off an extra set of ballot papers for 15 Nov. Might increase the turn out to tag a General onto the Police Commissioner election... They really are dead men walking aren't they?
In some ways Mitchell has been stitched up. What happened in Downing Street was very insignificant and the officer accepted the apology, the news story should've run for 48 hours maximum and been forgotten about. Obviously Mitchell made it worse by refusing to confirm/deny what he did/didn't say but the Police have also kept this in the news. Those notes the Police take don't normally end up on the front of newspapers so it's clear they wanted that info out there. The meeting Mitchell was summoned to with the Police group last week had nothing to do with the Downing St incident, but was hijacked as a means for the Police to b
h at the Government - over something Mitchell has nothing to do with.
It reinforced a narrative the press has run for the last year or so which is Cameron's Government are too posh, too out of touch and too arrogant. They've done nothing to counter those suggestions though, if anything they've made it worse.
h at the Government - over something Mitchell has nothing to do with.It reinforced a narrative the press has run for the last year or so which is Cameron's Government are too posh, too out of touch and too arrogant. They've done nothing to counter those suggestions though, if anything they've made it worse.
Dibble said:
turbobloke said:
Dibble said:
turbobloke said:
Almost certainly worse overall but some will be better off, if it's Labour then based on their last failed go at running the country, those better off will be the wealthiest one percent.
That doesn't make the present shower any better and CMD is woeful.
In terms of damaging public services, making the cost match more closely the money available isn't damaging as such, it's simply a reality check and it would be irresponsible not to do something. The problem is they're barely scratching the surface and still spending too much.
I know savings have to be made and more efficient ways of working found. I can obviously only really comment on the police, but I know of jobs where some (admittedly not the most cost effective) forensic submissions have been refused because of the costs involved. There will be jobs where those submissions will mean the difference to suspects being charged (or not). That doesn't make the present shower any better and CMD is woeful.
In terms of damaging public services, making the cost match more closely the money available isn't damaging as such, it's simply a reality check and it would be irresponsible not to do something. The problem is they're barely scratching the surface and still spending too much.
Mitchell's biggest mistake was not his arrogance, not the word 'pleb', not the swearing at the Police. It was ending the encounter with "you've not heard the last of this". When someone uses a term like that to me or any other BIB, you can bet your first born that the events will be recorded meticulously and ASAP. It's self preservation.
If he'd come out with his abusive twaddle and then just cycled off to his posh boys club to fill out a few more expenses sheets, it'd never have gotten this far.
If he'd come out with his abusive twaddle and then just cycled off to his posh boys club to fill out a few more expenses sheets, it'd never have gotten this far.
Elroy Blue said:
Mitchell's biggest mistake was not his arrogance, not the word 'pleb', not the swearing at the Police. It was ending the encounter with "you've not heard the last of this". When someone uses a term like that to me or any other BIB, you can bet your first born that the events will be recorded meticulously and ASAP. It's self preservation.
If he'd come out with his abusive twaddle and then just cycled off to his posh boys club to fill out a few more expenses sheets, it'd never have gotten this far.
How far behind "you've not heard the last of this" is "do you know who I am?" and are you ever tempted to reply by asking for ID?If he'd come out with his abusive twaddle and then just cycled off to his posh boys club to fill out a few more expenses sheets, it'd never have gotten this far.
My suspicion is that BiB exercise almost infinite patience and extraordinary tolerance while knowing also that in most cases it won't end with the tit being milked. In this case he was creamed. It's difficult to feel any sympathy particularly since as you say it could have been far less consequential.
sd477667 said:
So it seems maybe calling someone a pleb is worse than definitely calling someone a bigot - go figure.........
In fairness, the 'bigot' quote probably cost Brown the election.I think that however badly Mitchell behaved, the behaviour of the police has been far, far worse. I hope that the issue of the leaked logs are fully investigated and that any officers involved are fully punished.
Edited by ClaphamGT3 on Friday 19th October 21:08
RedTrident said:
Wow. Resigned over called a copper a pleb. Meanwhile not a single copper has the decency to do likewise over recent scandels involving them.
Never thought I'd see a politician having more honour than a pleb I mean policeman
Call somebody a pleb and your life is destroyed, taser an innocent blind man and..............yup you guessed it, nowt. This world is fNever thought I'd see a politician having more honour than a pleb I mean policeman
ked up.ClaphamGT3 said:
In fairness, the 'bigot' quote probably cost Brown the election.
I think that however badly Mitchell behaved, the behaviour of the police has been far, far worse. I hope that the issue of the leaked logs are fully investigated and that any officers involved are fully punished.
Think wrecking the economy and saddling UK plc with debts that won't be paid off for 20 years didn't help.I think that however badly Mitchell behaved, the behaviour of the police has been far, far worse. I hope that the issue of the leaked logs are fully investigated and that any officers involved are fully punished.
Edited by ClaphamGT3 on Friday 19th October 21:08
Just been reading about the Sian Lloyd case, some bungling cop messed up the chance of getting a conviction for another murder :-(
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