Bloody immigrants, coming over here, paying their taxes

[longblackcoat]

terenceb said:

Obviously more hatred toward the hand that feeds them.
No immigrants run down with cars etc.Only English to to stay out of various areas of England where the English live! Is this right?
If immigration was so good for the country-what went wrong?
Clearly not so good now though with Camoron on the verge of panicing because of how its all turning around and biting Britain in the arse.
Many thanks Labour, you did a fantastic job, too many trees perhaps.
Enoch Powel has been the ONLY recent 'polititian'with any foresight!!!

I understand your sentiment (immigrants=bad) but I'm really having trouble with some of your statements such as:

terenceb said:

No immigrants run down with cars etc.Only English to to stay out of various areas of England where the English live! Is this right?

Care to explain?

[blindswelledrat]

longblackcoat said:

Care to explain?

Pretty sure its a combination of fat, swollen drunken fingers angrily bashing at a keyboard and hoping for the best.

[Mrr T]

Guam said:

Not sure what point you are making here, typically most retirees will be fully paid up members of society, let me illustrate, several years ago I got a letter from HMG stating my NHI contributions were fully paid up and I qualified for pension rights as of then, now I run my own company and am still paying contribs, as is my company on me, given I am fully paid up who am I paying for now?

I suspect the majority of those you highlight will be in a similar position, having likely OVERPAID their contributions by the time they retire.

I am commenting about retirees moving from the UK to the rest of Europe, particularly to Spain.

As for having made your contribution. These are PAYG schemes so for contributions have already been spent.

Now I agree you have over contributed and later may under contibute.

However, those retiring and moving to other EU countries which offer health care will have over contributed in the UK and now be under contribution else where in the EU.

[NicD]

Mrr T said:

I am commenting about retirees moving from the UK to the rest of Europe, particularly to Spain.

As for having made your contribution. These are PAYG schemes so for contributions have already been spent.

Now I agree you have over contributed and later may under contibute.

However, those retiring and moving to other EU countries which offer health care will have over contributed in the UK and now be under contribution else where in the EU.

Mr T,

apples and oranges, great to eat but make for very poor arguments.

To paraphrase you, no one I know wants all immigration to stop.

Smart people want to control immigration so that that it benefits the host country.

knee jerkers want to misrepresent these views.

[crankedup]

NicD said:

Mrr T said:

I am commenting about retirees moving from the UK to the rest of Europe, particularly to Spain.

As for having made your contribution. These are PAYG schemes so for contributions have already been spent.

Now I agree you have over contributed and later may under contibute.

However, those retiring and moving to other EU countries which offer health care will have over contributed in the UK and now be under contribution else where in the EU.

Mr T,

apples and oranges, great to eat but make for very poor arguments.

To paraphrase you, no one I know wants all immigration to stop.

Smart people want to control immigration so that that it benefits the host country.

knee jerkers want to misrepresent these views.

This will be the same 'smart people' that have been controlling immigration during the past thirty years I suppose! Its all talk about 'we only want the cream to come in' nothing except our exit from the E.U. can effectively control what is now seen by many as a problem.

[NicD]

crankedup said:

This will be the same 'smart people' that have been controlling immigration during the past thirty years I suppose! Its all talk about 'we only want the cream to come in' nothing except our exit from the E.U. can effectively control what is now seen by many as a problem.

clearly you have not been reading my many posts.

so No and Yes to your statements.

[vonuber]

terenceb said:

Well said! I'll put my hand up and say that I too am angry about immigration (does that make me a racist) I am particularly angry at the shear stupidity of the successive governments who could not see any further than thier nose's as to the effects of dishing out free money/benefits/National Health treatment/willingness to fund an awful lot of east european woman who saw that once they had an english baby EVERYTHING such as housing, childcare and for that matter anything else they desired (I know this to be true because of seeing it happen!!) So please DONT tell me Im talking bks!
The NHS? A few years ago 26% of all babies born in the yUK were from east european mothers!

Looks at British passport with eastern European surname. Looks at last payslip with amount of tax paid. Looks at other half's British passport with eastern European surname. Looks at her last payslip with amount of tax paid.
Ignores rest of post.

[Zod]

vonuber said:

terenceb said:

Well said! I'll put my hand up and say that I too am angry about immigration (does that make me a racist) I am particularly angry at the shear stupidity of the successive governments who could not see any further than thier nose's as to the effects of dishing out free money/benefits/National Health treatment/willingness to fund an awful lot of east european woman who saw that once they had an english baby EVERYTHING such as housing, childcare and for that matter anything else they desired (I know this to be true because of seeing it happen!!) So please DONT tell me Im talking bks!
The NHS? A few years ago 26% of all babies born in the yUK were from east european mothers!

Looks at British passport with eastern European surname. Looks at last payslip with amount of tax paid. Looks at other half's British passport with eastern European surname. Looks at her last payslip with amount of tax paid.
Ignores rest of post.

Why can't you write good English like native British terenceb?

[Guybrush]

TKF said:

terenceb said:

Enoch Powel has been the ONLY recent 'polititian'with any foresight!!!

Only on PH could Powell be heralded as a visionary.

Back then he only hated the negroes. Now the mouth breathers don't mind a darkie and direct their ire towards the Muslamics. Maybe we should wait a while and see how they get on rather than calling for XJ Flyer's final solution?

Enoch Powell didn't "hate" them. I think you may have missed the point he was making.

[Mrr T]

NicD said:

Mr T,

apples and oranges, great to eat but make for very poor arguments.

To paraphrase you, no one I know wants all immigration to stop.

Smart people want to control immigration so that that it benefits the host country.

knee jerkers want to misrepresent these views.

When was I using the fruit arguement?

As for a system which benefits the host country I completely agree,

So there is clear evidence the tiny amount of immigration from the EU, 0.16% of UK population per year financially benefits the UK. As well as allowing everyone in the UK free movement to live and work through out the EU.

However, there is a major problem with non EU immigration, and dealing with failed asylum seekers which is costing the UK tax payer a fortune.

I am not misrepresenting your views. I am just saying you are targeting the wrong problem.

[sidicks]

Mrr T said:

When was I using the fruit arguement?

As for a system which benefits the host country I completely agree,

So there is clear evidence the tiny amount of immigration from the EU, 0.16% of UK population per year financially benefits the UK. As well as allowing everyone in the UK free movement to live and work through out the EU.

Not when you properly understand and analyse the numbers....

[Mrr T]

sidicks said:

Mrr T said:

When was I using the fruit arguement?

As for a system which benefits the host country I completely agree,

So there is clear evidence the tiny amount of immigration from the EU, 0.16% of UK population per year financially benefits the UK. As well as allowing everyone in the UK free movement to live and work through out the EU.

Not when you properly understand and analyse the numbers....

The report which started this thread clearly stated EU immigration financially benefited the UK and that non EU immigration was a cost. So can I see your analysis which proves different?

[sidicks]

Mrr T said:

The report which started this thread clearly stated EU immigration financially benefited the UK and that non EU immigration was a cost. So can I see your analysis which proves different?

It has already been discussed thoroughly on this thread.

[longblackcoat]

Guybrush said:

TKF said:

terenceb said:

Enoch Powel has been the ONLY recent 'polititian'with any foresight!!!

Only on PH could Powell be heralded as a visionary.

Back then he only hated the negroes. Now the mouth breathers don't mind a darkie and direct their ire towards the Muslamics. Maybe we should wait a while and see how they get on rather than calling for XJ Flyer's final solution?

Enoch Powell didn't "hate" them. I think you may have missed the point he was making.

This is the same Enoch Powell who stated to Michael Cockerell: “What’s wrong with racism? Racism is the basis of nationality.”

I think we can all see exactly the point he was making.

[TKF]

Guybrush said:

TKF said:

terenceb said:

Enoch Powel has been the ONLY recent 'polititian'with any foresight!!!

Only on PH could Powell be heralded as a visionary.

Back then he only hated the negroes. Now the mouth breathers don't mind a darkie and direct their ire towards the Muslamics. Maybe we should wait a while and see how they get on rather than calling for XJ Flyer's final solution?

Enoch Powell didn't "hate" them. I think you may have missed the point he was making.

I get the distinct feeling he did hate them.

But, like I say, his views are often echoed on PH so I appreciate I'm swimming against the Tiber.

[HonestIago]

Zod said:

'm quite happy to say that XJ Flyer is a racist, just as I am happy to say that Nigel Worc's is an anti-gay bigot on another current thread. for good measure, I'll add that Honest Iago is an anti-Muslim bigot.

Delighted I've irked you enough to have made your shortlist of nasties!

I think Islam is a toxic medieval ideology (not religion) which has no place in Western liberal democracies. I despise our political leaders who not only conspired to change the fabric of society in such a way that no one voted for, but also make us pay for it as well.

Old article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8054403/Bri...

The key point being:

Telegraph said:

Half of Muslim men and three quarters of Muslim women are unemployed.

Forgetting cultural considerations (of which there are many), why do (or maybe did - this was 2010) the majority of Muslims not have gainful employment? How do we benefit as a country from this massive imported drain on resources?

[longblackcoat]

HonestIago said:

Forgetting cultural considerations (of which there are many), why do (or maybe did - this was 2010) the majority of Muslims not have gainful employment? How do we benefit as a country from this massive imported drain on resources?

All sorts of reasons, but discrimination against Muslims doesn't entitrely help their employment prosects, does it?

[TKF]

HonestIago said:

Zod said:

'm quite happy to say that XJ Flyer is a racist, just as I am happy to say that Nigel Worc's is an anti-gay bigot on another current thread. for good measure, I'll add that Honest Iago is an anti-Muslim bigot.

Delighted I've irked you enough to have made your shortlist of nasties!

I think Islam is a toxic medieval ideology (not religion) which has no place in Western liberal democracies. I despise our political leaders who not only conspired to change the fabric of society in such a way that no one voted for, but also make us pay for it as well.

Old article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8054403/Bri...

The key point being:

Telegraph said:

Half of Muslim men and three quarters of Muslim women are unemployed.

Forgetting cultural considerations (of which there are many), why do (or maybe did - this was 2010) the majority of Muslims not have gainful employment? How do we benefit as a country from this massive imported drain on resources?

It's funny how people find reports that confirm their bias and cling onto them for dear life. Not only are you trying to include students and retired people in your "unemployed" figure the the census figures disagree http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171776_310454.pdf

The majority of Muslims are economically active (55%), a figure which is comparable to Christians (60%) and Jews (61%).

Of those not active 69% of Christians are retired whereas 61% of Muslims are either students or looking after home or family.

How do we benefit as a country from this massive drain on resources by the retired Christians?

[Mrr T]

sidicks said:

Mrr T said:

The report which started this thread clearly stated EU immigration financially benefited the UK and that non EU immigration was a cost. So can I see your analysis which proves different?

It has already been discussed thoroughly on this thread.

I have followed this thread and posted on it several times and I have seen NO evidence the report is incorrect.

Some have suggested that the author previous EU funding must influenced the conclusion.

That and lots of I know its true because 5,000,000 immigrants from E Europe are living next door to me and drawing £1billion in benefits.

So some real evidence please that giving up our right to live and work in Germany, France, Holland, Italy etc is worth giving up.

[HonestIago]

longblackcoat said:

HonestIago said:

Forgetting cultural considerations (of which there are many), why do (or maybe did - this was 2010) the majority of Muslims not have gainful employment? How do we benefit as a country from this massive imported drain on resources?

All sorts of reasons, but discrimination against Muslims doesn't entitrely help their employment prosects, does it?

Name them, how do the people of Britain benefit from importing third world benefit-dependents? Stating facts isn't discrimination you know, hard as the left try to claim it is. I suppose you think I'm racist as well for questioning why Muslims don't seem to have much of an affinity for employment.