Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
Rollin said:
Salmond has convinced the nats that they are too wee, too poor and too stupid to achieve anything without independence.
Blame the Scottish parliament for any "unequal" and "unfair" society you have. They've had the tools to change things AND a subsidy from the rest of the UK.
The problem is that the SNP government has nothing to gain from Scotland improving whilst being part of the UK. Much easier to play the blame game.
Which tools are you referring to?Blame the Scottish parliament for any "unequal" and "unfair" society you have. They've had the tools to change things AND a subsidy from the rest of the UK.
The problem is that the SNP government has nothing to gain from Scotland improving whilst being part of the UK. Much easier to play the blame game.
McWigglebum4th said:
And YOU are one of the haves
And you are too f
king stupid to see it
Go vist Ethiopia and tell them how good life is there as they have more equality
You morons wouldn't know poverty if it hit you over the head with a 2x4
Aah, another reasonable comparison from Wiggley... And you are too f
king stupid to see itGo vist Ethiopia and tell them how good life is there as they have more equality
You morons wouldn't know poverty if it hit you over the head with a 2x4
Corpulent Tosser said:
This 45 thing is a bit misleading, yes 45% of voters wanted independence, but only 37% of voters voted for independence. My view is that the non voters either didn't care or were complacent in knowing the vote was gong to be no, so the actual split was 63% for the status quo, 37% for independence.
Let's see if that's still your view after the next GE and the referendum on Europe. McWigglebum4th said:
You english pussies can't understand what true terrorism is
Any minute now we will get ALL the money back you english robbed from us
AND david cameron will be resigning first thing tomorrow morning after he admits his crime against the true scottish people
be afraid
be very afraid
you think 9/11 was a devastating attack!!!!!!!
YOU MUST TREMBLE WITH FEAR
BOW DOWN TO YOUR NEW MASTER
Come on Edinburgh cough up the cash
LOLAny minute now we will get ALL the money back you english robbed from us
AND david cameron will be resigning first thing tomorrow morning after he admits his crime against the true scottish people
be afraid
be very afraid
you think 9/11 was a devastating attack!!!!!!!
YOU MUST TREMBLE WITH FEAR
BOW DOWN TO YOUR NEW MASTER
Come on Edinburgh cough up the cash
Not sure what's the funniest - this idiots trolley campaign or the fact you're worried we've not seen any terrorist activities following your outrageous predictions!
Welshbeef said:
Ed Balls on Marr show today
He was pushed really hard about Scottish MPs voting on English tax rates and bands given it would be devolved so you could have a scenario where by Scottosh MPs vote for English tax rises (yet give themselves a tax cut). Balls responds its a Tory politics game don't believe it
He then went on about what they would do re tax and spend - but Marr then said so all those changes add up to a little bit so what big change are you going to make to eliminate the £75billion deficit? Silence.
Then pushed so will you keep to the current spending cuts to the public sector - answer yes.
He is an utter bell end. He will also lose Labour the next GE. He surely can't be the best figurehead in Labour's membership?He was pushed really hard about Scottish MPs voting on English tax rates and bands given it would be devolved so you could have a scenario where by Scottosh MPs vote for English tax rises (yet give themselves a tax cut). Balls responds its a Tory politics game don't believe it
He then went on about what they would do re tax and spend - but Marr then said so all those changes add up to a little bit so what big change are you going to make to eliminate the £75billion deficit? Silence.
Then pushed so will you keep to the current spending cuts to the public sector - answer yes.
Edinburger said:
Rollin said:
Salmond has convinced the nats that they are too wee, too poor and too stupid to achieve anything without independence.
Blame the Scottish parliament for any "unequal" and "unfair" society you have. They've had the tools to change things AND a subsidy from the rest of the UK.
The problem is that the SNP government has nothing to gain from Scotland improving whilst being part of the UK. Much easier to play the blame game.
Which tools are you referring to?Blame the Scottish parliament for any "unequal" and "unfair" society you have. They've had the tools to change things AND a subsidy from the rest of the UK.
The problem is that the SNP government has nothing to gain from Scotland improving whilst being part of the UK. Much easier to play the blame game.
Edinburger said:
McWigglebum4th said:
And YOU are one of the haves
And you are too fking stupid to see it
Go vist Ethiopia and tell them how good life is there as they have more equality
You morons wouldn't know poverty if it hit you over the head with a 2x4
Aah, another reasonable comparison from Wiggley... And you are too f
king stupid to see itGo vist Ethiopia and tell them how good life is there as they have more equality
You morons wouldn't know poverty if it hit you over the head with a 2x4
Like most nats he is a bit dim
Edinburger said:
LOL
Not sure what's the funniest - this idiots trolley campaign or the fact you're worried we've not seen any terrorist activities following your outrageous predictions!
Do want to tell this radical hard hitting terrorist has left shopping trolley isn't viewed as the hardest hitting attach since 9/11?Not sure what's the funniest - this idiots trolley campaign or the fact you're worried we've not seen any terrorist activities following your outrageous predictions!
And i have never been worried my predictions are wrong.
I am worried they are right
Edinburger said:
Rollin said:
Salmond has convinced the nats that they are too wee, too poor and too stupid to achieve anything without independence.
Blame the Scottish parliament for any "unequal" and "unfair" society you have. They've had the tools to change things AND a subsidy from the rest of the UK.
The problem is that the SNP government has nothing to gain from Scotland improving whilst being part of the UK. Much easier to play the blame game.
Which tools are you referring to?Blame the Scottish parliament for any "unequal" and "unfair" society you have. They've had the tools to change things AND a subsidy from the rest of the UK.
The problem is that the SNP government has nothing to gain from Scotland improving whilst being part of the UK. Much easier to play the blame game.
They never used it
They are more worried about knocking the english and westminister then they are in improving scotland
Edinburger said:
Rollin said:
Salmond has convinced the nats that they are too wee, too poor and too stupid to achieve anything without independence.
Blame the Scottish parliament for any "unequal" and "unfair" society you have. They've had the tools to change things AND a subsidy from the rest of the UK.
The problem is that the SNP government has nothing to gain from Scotland improving whilst being part of the UK. Much easier to play the blame game.
Which tools are you referring to?Blame the Scottish parliament for any "unequal" and "unfair" society you have. They've had the tools to change things AND a subsidy from the rest of the UK.
The problem is that the SNP government has nothing to gain from Scotland improving whilst being part of the UK. Much easier to play the blame game.
It's not in the SNP interest to try to make Scotland a more equal place, because if they fail, it'll be their fault. Much better for them to continue to blame the English.
Rollin said:
Salmond has convinced the nats that they are too wee, too poor and too stupid to achieve anything without independence.
Blame the Scottish parliament for any "unequal" and "unfair" society you have. They've had the tools to change things AND a subsidy from the rest of the UK.
The problem is that the SNP government has nothing to gain from Scotland improving whilst being part of the UK. Much easier to play the blame game.
TBF Scottish society is a tad fairer than the rest of the UK due to the Scottish Government offsetting the bedroom tax and offering Free Higher EducationBlame the Scottish parliament for any "unequal" and "unfair" society you have. They've had the tools to change things AND a subsidy from the rest of the UK.
The problem is that the SNP government has nothing to gain from Scotland improving whilst being part of the UK. Much easier to play the blame game.
Re the subsidy myth, I assume as a Daily Mail reader you'll need a pretty picture to help work out that you're wrong
The figures above also don't reflect Scottish Shoppers VAT contributions (VAT is generated from Head Office Location) and some Whisky Duty (which is generated at the port of departure)
Now I've no problem with "pooled resources" as long as we're all clear Scotland isn't subsidised by the rest of the UK or England
Here to help
simoid said:
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/visitandlearn/25...
It's not in the SNP interest to try to make Scotland a more equal place, because if they fail, it'll be their fault. Much better for them to continue to blame Westminster.
Fixed that for you It's not in the SNP interest to try to make Scotland a more equal place, because if they fail, it'll be their fault. Much better for them to continue to blame Westminster.
Strocky said:
simoid said:
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/visitandlearn/25...
It's not in the SNP interest to try to make Scotland a more equal place, because if they fail, it'll be their fault. Much better for them to continue to blame Westminster.
Fixed that for you It's not in the SNP interest to try to make Scotland a more equal place, because if they fail, it'll be their fault. Much better for them to continue to blame Westminster.
The SNP are more interested in blaming westminister then fixing the problem.
Maybe you could ask them to actually address the massive poverty in scotland which sees thousands upon thousands of people in scotland buying brand new audis
Strocky said:
TBF Scottish society is a tad fairer than the rest of the UK due to the Scottish Government offsetting the bedroom tax and offering Free Higher Education
Re the subsidy myth, I assume as a Daily Mail reader you'll need a pretty picture to help work out that you're wrong
The figures above also don't reflect Scottish Shoppers VAT contributions (VAT is generated from Head Office Location) and some Whisky Duty (which is generated at the port of departure)
Now I've no problem with "pooled resources" as long as we're all clear Scotland isn't subsidised by the rest of the UK or England
Here to help
The image you have supplied pops up every now and again on this thread and is nonsense.Re the subsidy myth, I assume as a Daily Mail reader you'll need a pretty picture to help work out that you're wrong
The figures above also don't reflect Scottish Shoppers VAT contributions (VAT is generated from Head Office Location) and some Whisky Duty (which is generated at the port of departure)
Now I've no problem with "pooled resources" as long as we're all clear Scotland isn't subsidised by the rest of the UK or England
Here to help
Here are the Scottish government figures showing how much was spent in Scotland in terms of "identifiable" (ie obviously for the region of Scotland, so not London's sewer system or the roads of the south east) and "non-identifiable" ie army, interest payments.
As you can see, identifiable expenditure is above £50bn every year.
And to piss in your kettle a little more, we've spent more on identifiable expenditure in the last 5 years than we've taken in taxes, including our geographical share of the UK's oil.
Thanks for keeping my research brain active
Strocky said:
simoid said:
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/visitandlearn/25...
It's not in the SNP interest to try to make Scotland a more equal place, because if they fail, it'll be their fault. Much better for them to continue to blame Westminster.
Fixed that for you It's not in the SNP interest to try to make Scotland a more equal place, because if they fail, it'll be their fault. Much better for them to continue to blame Westminster.
McWigglebum4th said:
So you agree then
The SNP are more interested in blaming westminister then fixing the problem.
Maybe you could ask them to actually address the massive poverty in scotland which sees thousands upon thousands of people in scotland buying brand new audis
No I don't agree, I was correcting your assumption that it's the English and not Westminster the SNP have a "problem" withThe SNP are more interested in blaming westminister then fixing the problem.
Maybe you could ask them to actually address the massive poverty in scotland which sees thousands upon thousands of people in scotland buying brand new audis
I'd rather see the stat that over 50% of those in poverty in the UK actually work for a living reduced to f
k all, however that would mean the current government scrapping zero hour contracts (as well as not using them thereselves), ensuring a living wage, holding the banks to account and going for their pals and their corporations for tax avoidance rather than demonising those on benefits (and privatising the system to a for profit company)Edited by Strocky on Monday 1st December 11:33
McWigglebum4th said:
Do you think the NHS would be better in sotland if we stopped the english from changing it
Would it be better if Holyrood was running it?
The NHS is devolved, the block grant isn't but I assume you knew thatWould it be better if Holyrood was running it?
Westminster by putting an exemption for the NHS against the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership would be helpful though
Edited by Strocky on Monday 1st December 11:35
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