scotland to reduce Drink Drive limit

[simoid]

Vipers said:

Yes they did something, managed to close even more pubs. Our local near Aberdeen, an old 17th coaching Inn is suffering because of it.

It would be interesting to study the effects on those people, presumably mainly males, who instead of going to the pub with their mates to relax with a shandy on the way home from work, are now going home and having a few tins out the fridge by themselves.

SNP could conceivably be causing depression, alcoholism and isolationism with this law change.

[3.1416]

SNP cause depression, quite simply by their existence.

Alcohol dependency may be a symptom.

[g3org3y]

ChemicalChaos said:

England won't be reducing their limit, after Scotland sees no reduction in road deaths:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7025505/D...


..... as everyone with half a brain predicted at the time of introduction

[mickytruelove]

3.1416 said:

SNP cause depression, quite simply by their existence.

Alcohol dependency may be a symptom.

pretty much.

[Vanden Saab]

ChemicalChaos said:

England won't be reducing their limit, after Scotland sees no reduction in road deaths:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7025505/D...


..... as everyone with half a brain predicted at the time of introduction

While I am by no means in favour of the lower limit. Would the number of deaths and injuries due to drink driving not automatically be higher if you reduce the limit from 80 to 50 or do these studies compare the figures at 80 as well?
If you reduce the speed limit on a road from 60 to 40 would you not catch more speeders despite the average speed of motorists being much lower.

[Vipers]

mickytruelove said:

3.1416 said:

SNP cause depression, quite simply by their existence.

Alcohol dependency may be a symptom.

pretty much.

Spot on.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Vanden Saab said:

While I am by no means in favour of the lower limit. Would the number of deaths and injuries due to drink driving not automatically be higher if you reduce the limit from 80 to 50 or do these studies compare the figures at 80 as well?
If you reduce the speed limit on a road from 60 to 40 would you not catch more speeders despite the average speed of motorists being much lower.

I think a drink drive death is classed as any death involving alcohol as a contributing factor the people involved could have been well under the limit.

[Not-The-Messiah]

simoid said:

Vipers said:

Yes they did something, managed to close even more pubs. Our local near Aberdeen, an old 17th coaching Inn is suffering because of it.

It would be interesting to study the effects on those people, presumably mainly males, who instead of going to the pub with their mates to relax with a shandy on the way home from work, are now going home and having a few tins out the fridge by themselves.

SNP could conceivably be causing depression, alcoholism and isolationism with this law change.

The point for me is how many people have been caught between the new and old limit, and what was the impact on these people? big fines, loss of licence no doubt job losses, family breakups even maybe even suicide, All to achieve nothing.

[csd19]

What stood out for me were the following few paragraphs at the end of the article:

Daily Mail said:

AA president Edmund King said: ‘All the evidence suggests that the drink-drivers who kill are way over the current limit rather than just under or just over.

Daily Mail said:

Neil Greig, of the road safety charity IAM RoadSmart, acknowledged the Scottish move had had ‘minimal provable effect’.
But he said the Government should cut the drink-driving limit anyway as ‘anything that helps prevent potentially life-threatening incidents occurring in the first place can only be a good thing’.

I see the road safety charity is obviously having a "none so blind as those who will not see" moment. Before going full nanny-state.

Edited by csd19 on Tuesday 14th May 22:40

[simoid]

csd19 said:

I see the road safety charity is obviously having a "none so blind as that that will not see" moment. Before going full nanny-state.

Nail & head. I was surprised it wasn’t a Brake spokesperson.

[alfaman]

Issue is that existing drink drivers are already way over the 80mg limit ... so existing law doesn’t stop them ... lowering it will make no difference to their behaviour.

As the Police say ... better enforcement could make a difference.

Dropping 80-50 would just criminalise a few ppl who get stopped below the old limit... not stop those driving with 150-200+ alcohol levels

[Toaster]

Whats wrong with drinking Alcohol free beer I do most of the time some such as Becks Blue is a pretty healthy drink

[simoid]

Toaster said:

Whats wrong with drinking Alcohol free beer I do most of the time some such as Becks Blue is a pretty healthy drink

For me, I like a draught beer if I’m out. Can drink bottles in the house to my liver’s content but a good pint is a treat. Alcohol or otherwise.

[Edinburger]

This is a motoring website, right? Do you REALLY think it's a good idea to have a pint or two before driving?

The reduction in limit shouldn't be called a "Scottish example" as the below image shows.

[NomduJour]

Not this again - if there is no benefit to reducing limits, why do you want to do it? It’s especially stupid with no sliding scale of offences.

[sassanach0]

0.02 limit in the eastern bloc!!!! just half an hour on youtube would show you that using vodka instead of milk on their cornflakes is mandatory...........

[Edinburger]

NomduJour said:

Not this again - if there is no benefit to reducing limits, why do you want to do it? It’s especially stupid with no sliding scale of offences.

Why would you want your country to allow drivers to drink more alcohol than any other country in Europe and drive?

[catso]

NomduJour said:

Not this again - if there is no benefit to reducing limits, why do you want to do it? It’s especially stupid with no sliding scale of offences.

Indeed, the penalty in many countries with a lower limit is also lower.

The life-changing consequences of a 12 month ban for something with no actual benefit and that is currently legal is harsh.

[sassanach0]

Edinburger said:

Why would you want your country to allow drivers to drink more alcohol than any other country in Europe and drive?

maybe because,if its perceived as unreasonable then it will be ignored,and the pissheads who don't give a flying f££k(who cause the vast majority of the problem)don't care.

[Edinburger]

catso said:

NomduJour said:

Not this again - if there is no benefit to reducing limits, why do you want to do it? It’s especially stupid with no sliding scale of offences.

Indeed, the penalty in many countries with a lower limit is also lower.

The life-changing consequences of a 12 month ban for something with no actual benefit and that is currently legal is harsh.

The penalty may be harsh but it's also very easy to avoid - just don't drink and drive.

And there are also life-changing consequences for anyone unfortunate enough to be in an accident caused by a drunk driver.

I'll say it again: it astonishes me that so many posters on a car forum argue in favour of drinking and driving.